Did....did you just bring The Revolting Man's favourite thing in the world into the equation?ammunition in the gun you fire,
I think this will be the answer lol.Right but as with food sacrificed to idols I don’t feel a need to go find out.
Did....did you just bring The Revolting Man's favourite thing in the world into the equation?ammunition in the gun you fire,
I think this will be the answer lol.Right but as with food sacrificed to idols I don’t feel a need to go find out.
Shshsh, don't tell anyone.Did....did you just bring The Revolting Man's favourite thing in the world into the equation?
Exactly the reason I desire to live in a Torah observant nation under the headship of my King! All that will be taken care of as the whole nation rests!Or if the car you drive, ammunition in the gun you fire, glass you drink your Kool Aid from, or whatever.... was made on a Sabbath you would have created more burdens than anyone wants to deal with.
the key is to cease all unnecessary or avoidable work and all commerce...
Hmmmm.........But we should really explain the "no commerce" part because that's not specified in the Torah...
Commerce causes others to work and encourages focusing on things of the world v resting and focusing on Yah and His Kingdom.I agree with you here and this is supported by the Bible. But we should really explain the "no commerce" part because that's not specified in the Torah...
Donkeys aren’t cows and watering them doesn’t bring immediate increase.Exactly the reason I desire to live in a Torah observant nation under the headship of my King! All that will be taken care of as the whole nation rests!
The most amazing thing about Israel is that around 3pm on Friday almost everything closes and the streets are empty! Literally, Hwy 6 is empty by 6 pm. Amazing... They aren't perfect and have some real sin to deal with, but as a whole, as a nation, they understand Shabbat.
Now, @The Revolting Man , I do not necessarily disagree with you on the milk cow issue, but a few thoughts...
- did Abraham and Israel have cows? Goats? How did they handle it?
- Yeshua said water donkey on the Sabbath, how us giving the donkey what it needs (water) different than milking a lactating cow?
- do you use city water on Shabbat? How about electricity?
Easy to see how the Pharisees came up with 1600+ laws just for Shabbat... the key is to cease all unnecessary or avoidable work and all commerce... each man must decide what that looks like for himself and his house...
Chickens and cows doing what they do is actually in keeping with the rest of creation which does not cease to exist or produce on any day.Also, chickens lay eggs on the Sabbath. But that violates the law against your animals doing work.
Donkeys aren’t cows and watering them doesn’t bring immediate increase.
A few cows on a well rounded farm wouldn’t be a problem, imo.
- Yeshua said water donkey on the Sabbath, how is giving the donkey what it needs (water) different than milking a lactating cow?
For that matter, do we have to abstain from providing due benevolence on the Sabbath? Given the effort involved, are we prohibited from being sexual with our wives for 24 hours?
Not at all true.You've never run cows and cattle. They are a massive amount of work and it has to be done seven days a week. That was the #1 reason why we started running bison was because most of the time they can take care of themselves.
I loved milking cows as a boy, but, yes, the evening milking was much more convenient. On my grandparents' farm, it was often a safe bet that the cows would wake up the rooster.Three dairy cows is a lot more work than 180 bison. And they have to milked every single day and they seem to want to be milked at 4am all the time!
Yeah, you girls always do seem to think that everything we do just happens automatically . . .You guys put effort into that?
That’s fine, but not all farmsteads can accommodate 180 bison.Three dairy cows is a lot more work than 180 bison. And they have to milked every single day and they seem to want to be milked at 4am all the time!
We have a tenth of an acre; does anyone have any bison to spare? We could probably squeeze in 4 or 5. I'll checked with the HOA to see if there's any restrictions in place . . .That’s fine, but not all farmsteads can accommodate 180 bison.
For that matter, do we have to abstain from providing due benevolence on the Sabbath? Given the effort involved, are we prohibited from being sexual with our wives for 24 hours?
Which is a rational and workable position on the issue. @The Revolting Man sounds like he'd then tip the excess milk down the drain rather than keeping it to make cheese the next day, and it's that level of arbitrary and wasteful legalism that I am objecting to.Not at all true.
My point was that milking a couple of cows on a Sabbath does not compare to the labor involved in milking 40, 400, or 1000. A couple is in no way a full time job.