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501(c) status
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You could use that formula to forbid anything. Watch.
I didn't give you a formula I gave a specific set of questions that would help give you more understanding and knowledge of the subject at hand.
It's up to you what you do, but I'm jumping off this merry go round, I've said all I need to say on this.
Based off your logic then we should not take wives. Taking wives is a fundamentally corrupting action that invalidates our ministries. The logic just doesn’t hold up.
Remember, I attend an unregistered assembly. If I was going to found an assembly I wouldn’t register it. I’m not in favor of registration.
I just don’t see how registration is a fundamentally corrupting action. You can be an orthodox ministry with non-profit status.
Can't we just turn an occasional trick now and then?
It was Christians who shut me down and kicked me out. They not only threatened me, but actively sought my demise. The government had nothing to do with it. I'd sooner deal with the government and their laws than those Christians and theirs.
Sadly, there are bad people everywhere, including Christians in Government.
And there's a common denominator, too - increasingly visible even here.
Oh, and finally - a tiny bit of truth slips in.
When I said that I would not, and did not, incorporate or 'register' an assembly - and explained why in detail - I got "sneering" and a passel of "vitriolic" responses. Not to mention those responses to THEIR QUESTIONS "twisted."
(Yes, I know: Zec and others don't understand the concept of 'jurisdiction,' or why the early "Followers of the Way," would not "register" under Caesar. And still refuse to see it. But it doesn't excuse "vitriolic posts" like only 'Moderators' are allowed. Because they pretend the rules actually apply to them, and you'd better pretend to believe them.)
Now, ya'll are gonna get a whole bunch of New Rules from the people who were already "above" the old ones. Can you start to see how it works NOW?
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass
When I said that I would not, and did not, incorporate or 'register' an assembly - and explained why in detail - I got "sneering" and a passel of "vitriolic" responses. Not to mention those responses to THEIR QUESTIONS "twisted."
(Yes, I know: Zec and others don't understand the concept of 'jurisdiction,' or why the early "Followers of the Way," would not "register" under Caesar. And still refuse to see it. But it doesn't excuse "vitriolic posts" like only 'Moderators' are allowed. Because they pretend the rules actually apply to them, and you'd better pretend to believe them.)
Now, ya'll are gonna get a whole bunch of New Rules from the people who were already "above" the old ones. Can you start to see how it works NOW?
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking GlassTo parapfrase Stalin:
And how much divisions Pope has? Who cares?
And situation isn't same. Then in Roman time there was unified secular-religious leader. This hasn't existed for century in Europe (with possible exception of French revolution and their cult of reason).
You are making invalid comparison with fictive threaths. If these threaths ever become real, they leave established church.
Correct.
Was at that time anythink like tax-exempt ministry? And by the way, income taxes are 19th century invention.
And for what were these guys jailed?
Was it for breaking 501(c) or something else?
And by the way, big basis of power of current regime are anti-discrimination laws. Not registering under state won't save you from this laws.
Here churches go screwed up by must follow state based on Romans 13. And public health codes. Again nothing with 501(c) status.
Modern states aren't lacking in ways go destroy you.
Real solution isn't leaving 501(c), but to form parallel society. And least you Americans can take over states and tell federales to get lost, why aren't you using this?
Some of us have in fact been talking about this - and DOING it - since before there WAS a BF.
And I've been advocating a return to a local economy based on "honest weights and measures" (aka "junk silver," among other possibilities) at least as long.
See above.
Please
Why are you not in favour of registration?
RE: Jailed pastors.
The 501c(3) jargon is specific to the USA, as is the First Amendment. Canada has neither:
From this very thread, a few pages back:
The 501c(3) jargon is specific to the USA, as is the First Amendment. Canada has neither:
From this very thread, a few pages back:
They either spoke out against, or refused to submit to, or all of the above, the COVID BS.
Now, I'm confused as to your position. Because this comes across as almost identical to @Mark C's position, and raises a large question around why the two of you are even arguing.
What do you mean by "registration" @The Revolting Man? Is your church able to claim tax rebates? If not, why don't they set up the paperwork so they can do so? What is your reason not to do so - why are you not in favour of this?
My contention is that 501c3 status is not an intrinsic corruption. That doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Money is a corrupting influence. Salaries can be a dangerous stumbling block. But paperwork is morally neutral. The IRS can’t corrupt your assembly with some kind of double secret behind the scenes chicanery.
The decision to allow the government to give you permission to have the paperwork that authorizes your corporation is a loss of sovereignty that belongs to Yah.
I’m reminded of Eve and the fruit.
“for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
“4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:”
The serpent was right in that they didn’t immediately die, but they died.
Not all results are immediate and obvious.