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Joe Picker

Joe Picker

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I am at this website interested in making new friends. I try to live a life pleasing to G-D, but it gets very lonely. I can't find it in myself to be committed to attending church and fellowship with most Christians because of different beliefs, not only concerning polygamy, but other doctrinal differences.
It is difficult to make friends also because I am an intellectual, that prefers to learn and discuss things enriching, and I put away TV, movies, and secular music. I want to do good for community, and do G-D's will.
Out of loneliness, I compromised waiting for the proper woman G-D would have for me, by marrying a Calvanist, who I was recently divorced from. She signed up marrying me agreeing to polygamy, and the idea of sharing me consumed her mind and she became adamantly against the idea and me and any theology in support of plural marriage. I even agreed to submiting to monogamy, but that wasn't good enough for her. She insisted I abolish the very belief in scripture I believed concerning plural marriage.
I am rebuilding my life and career right now and never want to make a hasty choice pertaining to something as important in life as marriage ever again.
Presently selling my house to venture into new life and see where it takes me.
 
Hi. What kind of different beliefs and doctrinal differences are you talking about. We believe that several different people can all read the same Bible passage and end up with several different interpretations of it. Don't know (obviously) all the circumstances but I feel terribly sorry for woman who marry and don't see that "sharing" is the best thing to do with a good man. We had friends who asked what we were missing from our life that we wanted to live plural marriage. It kind of broke my heart for them. It wasn't and never has been about what we were missing. It's always been about how we wanted to enhance/enrich our lives.
 
I'm sorry as I can be that "anything she could find to disagree about" was your life. How old is she? I'm in my 50's and at this point I just don't see the point of being disagreeable. There was a time that I probably was, but as we mature we realize there are things worth it and things that aren't.
 
Late response. Sorry about the divorce. I've recently been spared from that a couple times now, with my one wife, however doctrine had little to do with it.

Joe Picker said:
Out of loneliness, I compromised waiting for the proper woman G-D would have for me, by marrying a Calvanist....She became a Preterist after 7 years of being married.
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While it very well may be that I am in the minority with this forum, though I am too new to know for sure, I have come to agree with polygyny in the same way as I came to understand the doctrines of grace ("Calvinism" if one must call it that, however I am also baptist). I also agree with partial preterism. Anyway, I find it highly unlikely orthodox doctrinal beliefs were the reason for your divorce. In a marriage two sinners are coming together. Sin is the reason for divorce. Going only by your side of the story, the lack of submission and nagging seem to be a big part. However, going by your words, it comes across as though you treated her as lesser from the start, perhaps wishing for the second wife to be your ideal. That is problematic.

I am saying this as someone who has to be careful with my own desire for an additional wife. I easily could try to say she did this or that, even gave me Biblical reason for divorce, so I deserve a better wife. That would be sin, and well, truthfully if I went that route I would probably just be bitter and despise the idea of marriage anyway, but that may just be me. However, the main reason I am personally considering polygyny as a potential option is for the benefits it could bring my wife. No, she is not perfect, and even if she were one of those darn arminian dispys (thankfully she is not:p), she would still be the wife God providentially provided. Maybe He will provide another, but either way I will still love, and work towards better loving this one.
 
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MiloCroton RN BSN B.S. said:
Late response. Sorry about the divorce. I've recently been spared from that a couple times now, with my one wife, however doctrine had little to do with it.



While it very well may be that I am in the minority with this forum, though I am too new to know for sure, I have come to agree with polygyny in the same way as I came to understand the doctrines of grace ("Calvinism" if one must call it that, however I am also baptist). I also agree with partial preterism. Anyway, I find it highly unlikely orthodox doctrinal beliefs were the reason for your divorce. In a marriage two sinners are coming together. Sin is the reason for divorce. Going only by your side of the story, the lack of submission and nagging seem to be a big part. However, going by your words, it comes across as though you treated her as lesser from the start, perhaps wishing for the second wife to be your ideal. That is problematic.

I am saying this as someone who has to be careful with my own desire for an additional wife. I easily could try to say she did this or that, even gave me Biblical reason for divorce, so I deserve a better wife. That would be sin, and well, truthfully if I went that route I would probably just be bitter and despise the idea of marriage anyway, but that may just be me. However, the main reason I am personally considering polygyny as a potential option is for the benefits it could bring my wife. No, she is not perfect, and even if she were one of those darn arminian dispys (thankfully she is not:p), she would still be the wife God providentially provided. Maybe He will provide another, but either way I will still love, and work towards better loving this one.
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I would be a fool not to try and reconcile a marriage.
Calvinism is heresy. To believe its pernicious ways, one must reject the words of Christ.
 
Joe Picker said:
I would be a fool not to try and reconcile a marriage.
Calvinism is heresy. To believe its pernicious ways, one must reject the words of Christ.
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Really? Here are some words of Christ:

At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
 
“I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught sat Capernaum.

When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him.
 
MiloCroton RN BSN B.S. said:
“I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught sat Capernaum.

When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him.
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Coming into Introduction part of the forum, and making it about your false religion is a display of your character.
MARK THEM THAT ARE WITHOUT.
Go away heretic.
 
Joe Picker said:
Coming into Introduction part of the forum, and making it about your false religion is a display of your character.
MARK THEM THAT ARE WITHOUT.
Go away heretic.
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Joe, obviously there are many differing viewpoints represented here on this site. Describing someone as a heretic because they hold a differing viewpoint on a very minor issue is very harsh and very ungracious of you.
 
rustywest4 said:
Yea bro , simmer dude @Joe Picker o_O... I mean, trust me, I despise Calvin with a supreme passion... but I can certainly tolerate the opinions of Sir MiloCroton as he tries to give Calvin props via quoting Scriptures that totally don’t actually give Calvin props.
My fav material that makes Calvin look like a poopy pants is a book by Dave Hunt... :D
https://www.amazon.com/What-Love-This-Calvinisms-Misrepresentation/dp/1928660746
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$21 for a paperback and $48 for the hardback, pretty expensive truth.

By the way Rusty (because of other discussions we have had), I don't believe in the idea of Calvinism. I also don't believe in Arminianism. I actually don't believe in any religion that can be labelled by man.
 
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As a former Calvinist, I can say both Calvin and Arminius tried to distill Scripture into theological bytes to explain their particular perspective. In both cases, they had to ignore verses contra their position, a common error in 'religion.'

And, @cnystrom , Christianity is guilty as well, though in a more general way as you discovered when you saw poly. The fact is, we all have filters and spiritual blindness. The wise will earnestly pray a very simple prayer, 'Father, I just want truth. I don't care what it costs. Remove falsehood and tradition from me and teach me truth'. Then, hold on, because that's when the ride begins... scary, exhillarating and full of blessings.
 
Joe Picker said:
Coming into Introduction part of the forum, and making it about your false religion is a display of your character.
MARK THEM THAT ARE WITHOUT.
Go away heretic.
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If there's one thing I've learned about this individual is he is highly sensitive.

I had a discussion with him that offended him for whatever reason and he put me on ignore, I don't know how to tell I've been ignored other than he said it.

Something tells me with him it'll be either his way or the highway, just my two cents.
 
rustywest4 said:
Yea bro , simmer dude @Joe Picker o_O... I mean, trust me, I despise Calvin with a supreme passion... but I can certainly tolerate the opinions of Sir MiloCroton as he tries to give Calvin props via quoting Scriptures that totally don’t actually give Calvin props.
My fav material that makes Calvin look like a poopy pants is a book by Dave Hunt... :D
https://www.amazon.com/What-Love-This-Calvinisms-Misrepresentation/dp/1928660746
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Not to stir the pot... But one can believe in the doctrines of grace (TULIP), and have nothing to do with Calvin. Now... As you were:)
 
Maverick said:
Not to stir the pot... But one can believe in the doctrines of grace (TULIP), and have nothing to do with Calvin. Now... As you were:)
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We believe in salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, because it's sound doctrine, the truth of Holy Scripture. Calvin was a sinner saved by the grace of God. Just wanting to make the distinction .... :)
 
Maverick said:
Not to stir the pot... But one can believe in the doctrines of grace (TULIP), and have nothing to do with Calvin. Now... As you were:)
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I just got out of hospital. I nearly had an uneccisary surgery heart surgery. I was there between December 19th-25th. My wife who is a Calvanist said she was talking care of my dog. I left because meds they put me on to thin my blood before open
heart caused headache, and they took no consideration for it, so I left on 25th. Went home found dog was gone. She called Animal Control, I found there slip. They told me $300 to get my dog back I sat and looked, and Animal Control Officer left their coat at my house. I know the law, I could plant Anything in that coat, not saying I would, and called State Police. I called back Animal Control, asked them what they would give me for the coat. I got call back 3 hours later, stating they understood me being in the hospital, and would bring dog back for free, and ask me. That was Grace!
After headache went away three weeks later, time I went back to ER. This time they did not put me into heart ward but general surgery ward. Like they were teaching me a lesson. Heart ward got roomhuge private, all modern, bigscreen tv. Now sharing room, and no room at all. Little tv. I was a little upset. A nurse there on 3rd called me in MRI. It found I had a stroke. That was Grace.
Next day a Calvanist comes in. I know about ribs better than any doctor I have spoken to. I have Pectus Excavatum, Costochondritis, Tietze, Innercostal, T4 synrome. All Costol conditions that effect ribs, and only PE diagnosed with, Wich I forced through writing at a private practice. Now all doctors agree it's Pectus. 1,500 hours of research into ribs and things related to it. So Calvanist comes in, talks about his ribs, doctors had nothing to tell him. He had head I jury also. His daughter was an MD retired.
I thought, here is my chance to help this guy, tell his daughter the diagnosis, and three things that would help. They were all rude to me and ignored me. So I kept my secrets to myself, not to promote their religion.
The only thing stupider than a Calvanist jokes, is perverseness. Hearing them make stupid jokes out of nothing continuesly, which make little sence and are not funny.
I personally rather hear silence and the voice of God.
 
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