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Numbers 30 authority?
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This is the whole point of this thread... I'm not convinced this is something that exclusively applies to ttwcm after careful review of the wording it seems to apply to any woman who is under the man's ownership / part of his household... I guess the question becomes what relationships create the status of ownership?
That doesn’t match up with the facts of the story.
She was not an Israelite and the man that should have stepped up when she and Naomi came back, didn’t. They were on their own.
Naomi had her approach Boaz because she perceived the favor that he was giving her. She CHOSE to follow Naomi’s instructions.
Boaz chose, at that point, to follow the Levirate law.
It’s obvious that they weren’t automatically following it previously in this case.
I would ask; why would Yah limit the simple agreement between two parties?
I don’t see Because they are not one flesh as being a reasonable answer.
I see Mordecai as father figure since Ester was orphan.
Everybody has agency, therefore everybody owns themselves. Therefore any usage of force against somebody must go against that person's will which will break person self-ownership. This implies that nobody has right to compel obedience.
Authority comes from author. And author is somebody creates, in essence, shapes future life.
Doctor by providing recommendation does shapes Emperor life.
Check the LXX on that... He was raising her for himself... That's not a father.
Stop paying taxes and let me know if the irs can compel obedience
Can you give a verse reference for that? I am intrigued.
Realistically an older widow may not have a father to make that decision. So then who would decide??
Do you mean in the Scriptures or in real life today. Because I am an example of real life today. And absolutely there is a purpose bc I know other women who do not have a father or brother or uncle to cover her.
I'm curious about your story?
You gonna fold that easy for the Mark?Stop paying taxes and let me know if the irs can compel obedience
Some of us realized that the Zyklon-B poison poke was another early test (and practice session, it would seem...) to resist exactly that kind of Evil.
My understanding as of now is that if a woman of any stripe, variety or configuration wants a fully invested “head” then she needs to give herself to him as a wife.
Doesn't Numbers 30:9 indicate that a widowed or divorced woman doesn't have a male head like a married woman, or an unmarried woman under her father?
It is ok to remain a widow, and it is ok (and generally better) to marry again.
That's interesting. I've never heard that take on the passage, but the Septuagint does seem to indicate that was a possibility. The English translations based on the original text generally indicate "as a daughter", but the translations of the Septuagint seems to go along with your view of "as a future wife". Interesting
. Thanks for sharing that
The question is about a woman coming under the headship of a man without becoming his wife. This is a very unusual situation. Obviously it is common for widows to remarry, and a widow most certainly has the authority over herself to choose what man to marry, without needing her father's permission. Scripture clearly discusses single widows, and remarrying widows, both situations being acceptable and well understood.
Are you truly considering joining the family of a man and coming under his headship without becoming his wife - the very niche situation described in this thread? Or did you misunderstand the question?
Thankyou, that is very interesting.
I'm just using an example. My point is that authority carries the ability to compel obedience at least to an extent... My hats off to those who choose to defy the system by not paying taxes...