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Meat Praying for the peace of Jerusalem
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FYI to both of you...
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The search for refuge frames both the years before the Holocaust and its aftermath. Learn about obstacles refugees faced when searching for safe havens.
Over 60,000 German Jews immigrated to Palestine during the 1930s, most under the terms of the Haavara (Transfer) Agreement. This agreement between Germany and the Jewish authorities in Palestine facilitated Jewish emigration to Palestine. The main obstacle to emigration of Jews from Germany was German legislation banning the export of foreign currency. According to the agreement, Jewish assets in Germany would be disposed of in an orderly manner and the resulting capital transferred to Palestine through the export of German products. The British White Paper in May 1939, a policy statement approved by the British Parliament, contained measures that severely limited Jewish entry into Palestine.
A few excerpts from the below article, which summarises points from a book entitled "The Third Reich and the Palestine Question":
Annual 4 Chapter 17
www.museumoftolerance.com
In fact, the Zionist movement was so close to Nazi Germany that in 1941 LEHI, one of the key Zionist military groups which formed the foundation of the later IDF, actually offered to formally ally with Germany and enter the war on the side of the Nazis. LEHI's key aim was to expel Britain from Palestine, and they saw an alliance with Germany as a strategic way to achieve that.
www.ihr.org
Imagine that, a future Prime Minister of Israel leading what later became the IDF, fighting alongside the Nazis against the Allies to evict Britain from Palestine! It didn't happen, but nearly did. Now, obviously such an alliance would have been unthinkable in the latter part of the war, once Germany had committed the well-known atrocities against the Jews. But that had not yet occurred (or if any had, was not yet known).
History is fascinating, and stranger than fiction.
Zionism and Anti-Semitism: A Strange Alliance Through History
The IHR, an independent, public interest history research and publishing center, seeks to promote peace and freedom through greater awareness of the past.
History is fascinating, and stranger than fiction.
Yea.
There is story how Britain almost bombed Baku in USSR, but Germans attacked first saving Britain ass.
"if radical Islam is such a dangerous threat, how much blame should we place upon the western governments and intel agencies that have propped it up?"
www.zerohedge.com
'Put Ourselves In Their Shoes': Highlights From Inaugural ZeroHedge Debate | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
I was looking for the data behind that, and it's not as extreme as Caitlin Johnstone implies. The death toll has been revised down from 1400 to 1200 - about 200 bodies previously thought to be Israeli are now thought to be Hamas.
This makes the official death toll from October 7, according to Israel:
1200 Israeli dead (845 civilians, 318 IDF, 59 police).
1500 Hamas dead.
Such a revision is not unexpected, it would be extremely hard to come up with these numbers and they'll likely be tweaked for some time. However, Caitlin is right to point out that if many of the most heavily burned bodies are now considered to be Hamas, that does suggest that some of the messaging about Hamas burning people alive must have been seriously overstated earlier, as 200 bodies must be a very high proportion of those bodies which were heavily burnt, given it's 1/5th of the previously reported civilian death toll. This strongly suggests that many photos that were circulated of burned "Israelis" are likely to actually have been Hamas fighters burned by the IDF. Which all goes to show that we must not jump to conclusions in these situations and need to wait for the facts to come out in the fulness of time (something I expect we all have been guilty of, I know I have).
Edit: Given this revision, I also find the total of 1500 Hamas fighters killed difficult to believe, as it's hard to imagine that militants attacking civilian targets would end up dying in higher numbers than the unarmed civilians they confronted. Usually the opposite occurs - one armed terrorist kills multiple civilians. So you'd think if there really were 1500 Hamas fighters killed there would be at least double that number of civilians. So I do wonder if Israel is exaggerating their success here for PR purposes, since there's so much criticism of their actions on the day. I wonder if this will be quietly revised down also in future. But this is all highly speculative. Maybe Hamas truly was this inept.
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Why was the IDF burning terrorists in the middle of a firefight? I’m not following this logic train. Is this just another expression of the pathological need to make Israel the bad guy somehow?
For anybody interested I have found this on Youtube channel TheImperatorKnight.
Channel covers WW2 military history and political-ideological situation in interwar period.
The Israelis are officially telling us they have 200 Hamas bodies too burned to be recognisable.
Caitlin then wonders "Where did they come from?" Unless they set themselves on fire, which is obviously possible but seems highly unlikely, they must have been killed by the IDF. She's suggesting they may have been on the receiving end of AGMs, I suppose they might have been in vehicles or buildings set ablaze by Israeli fire, but that's all speculation as we haven't been told.
I don't see this as some need to make Israel bad. It's just an attempt to understand what Israel is officially telling us. How would you explain it?
It was a firefight. To say these things are incendiary is understating the case. On top of that, the Hamas terrorists were staging a suicide attack for the most part. And they were deliberately setting fires. Remember that some of these burned bodies were parents tied to their children.
How hard is it to imagine that these terrorists were fighting until they got cornered and then started fires as their last act? If they die in combat they go straight to Islamic heaven, a sex slave market where they get to have sex with all the white people they want. If they get captured then it proves that their personal religion was weak.
The Quran literally says that if a true Muslim wages jihad he will not be wounded but will either go home to enjoy the spoils of war or will die and go straight to the eternal sex slave market in the sky. They also have strong beliefs around burial so there’s every chance they wouldn’t want their bodies falling into Israeli hands either.
Instantly jumping to, “The Jews must be burning prisoners alive.” Isn’t even the third of fourth most logical assumption.
Oh no, I certainly never said that, nor even did Caitlin in the over-reacting post I was responding to. That came entirely from you assuming the worst. Nobody even mentioned prisoners, let alone burning them alive.
I actually agree with everything else you said there, and was about to click the like button before I saw that last paragraph.
On hunting for it, you're right, it doesn't exist. It was conjecture by Caitlin Johnstone (see quote in @MemeFan's post above) based on statements such as the following:
Israel revises Oct. 7 death toll down to 1,200 as victims are identified
The revision reflects the challenges that Israeli authorities have faced in assessing the scale of the devastation.
And I was taken in by it. Sorry. This was wrong:
Only a portion of those 200 bodies will have been misidentified for that reason.
Ok, shut this thread off.
I can’t defend against propaganda and this is the second time.
Btw: I had purposefully ignored the post because of how the article had just been thrown in with no attempt to actually discuss it. But, for whatever reason, you had to make sure that we had to respond to it.
I was wrong, we can’t have a reasonable discussion after all. The lying liars that lie had to be given their voice. Again.
I can’t defend against propaganda and this is the second time.
Btw: I had purposefully ignored the post because of how the article had just been thrown in with no attempt to actually discuss it. But, for whatever reason, you had to make sure that we had to respond to it.
I was wrong, we can’t have a reasonable discussion after all. The lying liars that lie had to be given their voice. Again.
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