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Shooting in New Zealand

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There's been a major shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand, where at least one gunman attacked two mosques and killed several people. Check the media for up-to-date details, e.g. here. We're ok, I've got family locked down in multiple locations as a precaution but they'll all be fine too.

What is very interesting is that a man who appears to be one of the shooters actually published a manifesto explaining why he did it, that is rapidly being removed from the internet. I have archived it as an attachment to this post, NOT to promote it in any way, but simply to aid understanding. This is a very nuanced event and will be greatly simplified by media and politicians.
(EDIT: The manifesto has been removed from this post, as it has now been retrospectively made illegal to possess or distribute in New Zealand, punishable by up to 14 years in prison - and yes, people are actually being arrested for this. If you are not in NZ and want to read it, search for lists of sites that have been blocked by NZ ISPs and you'll find it on one of those).

Bear in mind that this manifesto may not be genuine, it could be an entire fabrication intended to deceive, so hold everything from it with caution. As usual in such events, initial eyewitness reports suggest multiple shooters, but this manifesto supports a "lone-wolf" narrative, so could easily be part of the intended narrative if there is anything deceptive going on. However, keeping that caution in mind, it's worth having a look at to see what the shooter (or his handlers) wanted us to think his motivations were.

Key points to note from this manifesto:
1) He deliberately intended to cause a reduction in gun rights in both the USA and New Zealand.
Why did you choose to use firearms?

I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas,fire,vehicular attacks,plane attacks, any means were available. I had the will and I had the resources.

I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world.

The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.

With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty.

This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines.

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Won’t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states?

Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time.

Won’t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights in the New Zealand?

The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? Their loss was inevitable.I just accelerated things a bit.

They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights?
2) However the media portray him, he claims to
  • NOT be a conservative. Or a xenophobe, islamophobe, nazi, neo-nazi, homophobe or antisemite.
  • be BOTH left-wing and right-wing depending on the issue
  • be unsure if he is a Christian (ie he's an agnostic, and his parting words are "I will see you in Valhalla" so not at all Christian)
  • be a racist, facist, and ethno-nationalist (ie in favour of preserving white/European national/ethnic identity within traditionally white/European countries).
3) He claims to be an eco-terrorist. He's really concerned about climate change, thinks non-white people (including but not restricted to Muslims) are killing the planet, and wanted to kill some people with a high birth rate to save the planet.
Why focus on immigration and birth rates when climate change is such a huge issue?

Because they are the same issue, the environment is being destroyed by over population, we Europeans are one of the groups that are not over populating the world. The invaders are the ones over populating the world. Kill the invaders, kill the overpopulation and by doing so save the environment.
4) He also wanted to take revenge on Muslims for terrorism in Europe and elsewhere over both the past few years and ancient history, and particularly for the rape of Western women, hence why he singled them out over other immigrant communities.

So it's a real mishmash of ideas. His blend of environmentalism and racial purity is not dissimilar to Hitler's views, but is strange to read in a modern context.

Just remember - whenever this is used as justification for taking away gun rights further, which it will be, argue that this is exactly what he wanted. To do that would be to follow the wishes of a terrorist. And for government to further the desires of a terrorist would be a great evil.
 
There are multiple arrests now. However, at least one of the Muslims returned fire in self-defence, and police will initially arrest everyone with a gun to be on the safe side, so multiple arrests does not necessarily mean multiple shooters. But it is interesting to know that someone was attending Friday prayers armed just in case. Carrying firearms for the purpose of self defence would generally be illegal here, because it's illegal to concealed carry, and I can't imagine anybody wandering into a mosque carrying a shotgun in the open because any time anybody sees a gun in public in NZ cities someone panics and calls the police. So I assume they must be keeping guns at the mosque itself. That would be highly questionable legally and raises a lot of deeper questions. Though obviously it turned out to be justified in this particular case, and I'd stand by the right of anyone to protect themselves, it's still far different to normal behaviour in New Zealand.

Quote from here in case it is edited:
One Friday prayer goer returned fire with a rifle or shotgun.

Witnesses said they heard multiple gunshots around 1.45pm.

A well known Muslim local chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off.

He was heard telling police officers he was firing in "self defence".

"They were in a silver Subaru," he told police.
 
One attacker, likely the author of the manifesto, live streamed the shooting to Facebook. I've seen a 1 minute clip of it (I believe the original is 16 minutes long, but wouldn't want to see it all). I won't be sharing it here, and it's being deleted from everywhere online rapidly anyway. But it's very clear there are many deaths. However it's also clear he was well trained and did this with military precision.

He starts with a semiautomatic shotgun, knows the number of rounds and drops it immediately when empty, shifting to an AR-15 or similar. The rifle is fitted with a strobe light under the barrel, making it deceptively look like a machine gun to many viewers as the strobe can be confused with muzzle flashes. He then walks through multiple rooms of the mosque shooting many people.

Both guns are covered in white writing, which from what I've seen are names of people he regards as European heros, such as Nazis and Christian leaders in past wars with Islam. A picture I saw early on and can no longer find had photos of his magazines, which included the names "Sigismund of Luxembourg" and "Josué Estébanez".
 
Stats so far:
4 people originally arrested - 1 has now been released and 3 remain in custody.
40 people dead, 30 from one mosque and 10 from the other.
48 people injured with gunshot wounds.
2 IEDs found under vehicles, disarmed by the defence force.
Worst shooting in NZ history.
 
That is incredibly sad.
 
Latest update from the police:
49 confirmed dead now (41 at one mosque, 7 at the other, 1 in hospital).
Armed police are guarding all mosques in New Zealand - although all mosques are also closed until further notice.
Four people have been arrested, mainly since they arrested anybody they found in the area carrying firearms. One has been charged with murder. One released. Two are still under investigation.
The people arrested were not on any terrorist watchlists in either New Zealand or Australia.
The police are not actively looking for any other shooters, they are cautiously aware that others might have been involved, but have arrested everyone they are aware of.
One IED dealt with, one still being defused.
Because someone has been charged now, the police won't answer questions about whether both shootings were by one person or different people.

I've been trying to figure out the timeline, and it appears that shooting started at both mosques around 1:40pm (10 minutes after prayer started at 1:30pm). The shooter's video at one mosque is 17 minutes long, and it would take 10 minutes to drive between the mosques, so it's almost certain there were two shooters starting simultaneously. Also some witnesses describe the shooter wearing black, others say he was in camo. Some witnesses clearly referred to multiple shooters at one site, so there could be more than two shooters. But I am very strongly suspecting that this will be blamed on just one person, because it's how these things go.
Already the police are saying that the "two IEDs" were both attached to a single vehicle.
 
Crazy world. Glad you are okay. Save the footage if you can.

The media, false flag and provocateurs have so messed things up that it is almost impossible to know truth in any similar situation. Politics in the US have completely gone off the rail with it now being revealed that several Freshmen Congressmen (AOC, being one) were literally hired as actors to push the agenda of the Democratic Socialists.

It is getting very, very strange.
 
It is a really strange situation. I just emailed a Muslim man who is a former colleague to express sympathy - but I don't even know if he's alive. It's very strange to be emailing someone who could be dead for all I know.
 
Mary and I are praying a hedge of protection for your safety and shalom. This attack is horrific and detestable and is designed to cause fear and panic. We must rely on YHVH and His directive to fear not.

Isaiah 41:10 Don’t be afraid, for I am with you; don’t be distressed, for I am your God. I give you strength, I give you help, I support you with my victorious right hand.
 
Crazy world. Glad you are okay. Save the footage if you can.

The media, false flag and provocateurs have so messed things up that it is almost impossible to know truth in any similar situation. Politics in the US have completely gone off the rail with it now being revealed that several Freshmen Congressmen (AOC, being one) were literally hired as actors to push the agenda of the Democratic Socialists.

It is getting very, very strange.

Wow I hadn't heard that about AOC, not particularly surprised though. What's mostly surprising is they're not trying to hide it now.

Hard to say these days whether an attack like this is a false flag, cover story for something else or legitimate blow-back against the pogrom. Without knowing any actual details, the most likely case is a planned FF to lead the narrative in order to slander any who'd oppose the policies of replacement migration.

be unsure if he is a Christian (ie he's an agnostic, and his parting words are "I will see you in Valhalla" so not at all Christian)

Some media called the symbol he used a satanic or neo-nazi one. But it's commonly used by neo-pagans; hence the reference to valhalla.
 
Politics in the US have completely gone off the rail with it now being revealed that several Freshmen Congressmen (AOC, being one) were literally hired as actors to push the agenda of the Democratic Socialists.
Hey @Ancient Paths, do you have any reference to any articles on that? I have been (as most people I know) shocked at the acceptance these new Socialist Dems are getting. But, their rhetoric does help set the stage for cleaning out the gutters.
 
I coulda sworn I posted that here somewhere, but I guess I just shared it on fb and forgot to put it up here....

Yes, it's disturbing. My heart goes out to the victims of this tragedy, but my head is anticipating the predictable political hay that's going to be made from this. It ain't pretty.

We have work to do, gentlemen. The perceived enemy of modern western culture is the white, Christian, heterosexual male. If that's not a serious problem for us, I don't know what is.
 
Clarification on the guy acting in self-defence: sounds like he managed to get the gun off the attacker, then the attacker fled with him chasing. Which explains why there were only seven deaths at the Linwood mosque. Good on that man.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213205

Police took 20 minutes to arrive. In the middle of the city. Lots of anger about that. Absolutely ludicrous - and shows you cannot rely on the police for protection.

Expect a simultaneous political drive for gun control and a personal drive for arming for self defence. This will get messy at least politically, hopefully not practically.
 
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