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US border crisis

There's something fishy about the location of the three US servicemen killed in the Middle East this week, officially in Jordan. Incidentally, most of the injured are National Guard, not Federal army troops, so this is quite relevant to the above discussion - National Guard are clearly deployed in the Middle East at present. In this area the US has one base inside Jordan (with the approval of the Jordanian government, so legal), and two bases immediately across the border in Syria (considered by the Syrian government to be illegal), but all very close to each other.

The US claims they were killed in a strike on the US base in Jordan. However, the militant group that has claimed responsibility has only claimed to have attacked the bases in Syria. And Jordan's response is very interesting - initially someone high up said on Jordanian TV that the deaths occurred in Syria, then they stopped talking about the location. The below article in the Jordan Times is intriguing for how it strategically skips around this question. Firstly, it's in the "Region" section of the paper, not the "Local" section - the section for news from neighbouring countries, not Jordan, which is a subtle message about the location. There is not a single article I can find in the "Local" section even mentioning this. The article itself then describes the location simply as "in an outpost near the northeastern borders with Syria" - it carefully avoids even hinting what side of the border. Even the file photo is explicitly stated to be from a location outside Jordan. You'd think if someone had fired on Jordan itself, the Jordanian government would be angry and vocal about it - but they're being surprisingly quiet. These days we often learn the true location of military events from people cross-referencing photos of the event with aerial photos - but in this case I have not seen a single photograph of the attack aftermath (have photos been suppressed to stop georeferencing?).

Personally, joining all the dots but especially the Jordanian statements around it, I think the attack most likely occurred in Syria, with the wounded and dead then taken to Jordan. But the USA is claiming it was attacked in Jordan for political reasons, and Jordan as an ally is choosing not to contradict them but to carefully say nothing. Because there's a big difference in how the international community will perceive deaths in a location where the US is technically occupiers, and deaths in a location where they are welcome. The former would not make the US the victim in the eyes of the world in general, but the second would. This might seem a little nitpicking detail, but there's a good chance that this will be used as a pretext for an enormous escalation in the present Middle East conflict, so details are important. It is little details like this that indicate whether "our side" wants to start / expand a war by exploiting this tragedy, or are genuinely responding to a war that is being thrust upon them against their will.
 
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WWIII started Oct 7, 23. Most just don't know it, yet... guessing it will be over just about Passover, but there may be huge fireworks between now and then... just my guessing....😎
I thought WWIII started in February 2022, if not earlier.
Remember that WWII started with imperial Japan invading Mancheria long before Germany and Russia attacked Poland.
 
Remember that WWII started with imperial Japan invading Mancheria long before Germany and Russia attacked Poland.

World War Two started in Asia with Japan's invasion and subsequent annexation (sound familiar?) of Manchuria.

In Europe the war started with the Versailles Treaty. The First World War started in part because France and Britain saw Germany as a competitor and wanted to keep the Germans down. The French in particular wanted to punish Germany for the French defeat in the Franco-Prussian War.

So after the armistice in 1918 the French, British, and Belgians punished Germany with the Versailles Treaty. This was bad on its own and it set a stage but I will say that the treaty alone did not precipitate a war.

When France and Belgium invaded Germany in 1923 and seized the industrial Ruhr region that is what started WW2 in Europe.

Up to that point the Nazis were nothing but a fringe group in Weimar Germany. They were just a curiosity. However, they were the one party that promoted German nationalism, they were the one party that wanted Germany to quit the patently unfair Versailles Treaty, and they wanted Germany to be respected.

The 1923 invasion galvanized people behind the Nazi party and the Nazis started their rise to power based on this event.

The irony here is that France and Belgium directly caused their own destruction.
 
In Europe the war started with the Versailles Treaty.
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The irony here is that France and Belgium directly caused their own destruction.
Absolutely true and in even more ways than you have listed above. Prior to France and Britain declaring war against Germany, everything Hitler had done (with one exception) was retake land lost in the Versailles Treaty. But after their declaration of war, Hitler started taking over land outside that region, to pre-empt allied invasion plans. When he got wind of Britain's plan to invade Norway to cut off his oil supplies, he beat them to it. Also, the official war plans of France and Britain were to invade the Low Countries in the event of war with Germany - again, Hitler beat them to it (whether he actually knew of their plans, or just coincidentally had the same idea, we'll probably never know). And there's a high likelihood that he invaded the USSR to pre-empt a Soviet plan to invade Germany also.

Had France and Britain never declared war, would Hitler have ever gone to war beyond retaking the land lost in the treaty? Had there been no war, none of the secrecy that war enables, and the Jews had a free ability to leave Germany, would there have been a holocaust? Had Western Europe not weakened themselves by fighting against each other, and remained opposed to communism, would the USSR have ever taken Eastern Europe? How much evil was a result of France and Britain declaring war on Germany, rather than being solely attributable to Germany itself?
 
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