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General A use for Concubines?

But you know what is a kink or fetish?

Sex without immediate consequences as we see in the era of birth control. Birth control is a tool of the lesbian feminists and the socialists to destroy the family. The advent of legalized birth control directly led to the 'Sexual Revolution' of the 1960's and a steady decline in worldwide marriage rates.
Interesting! Sex without consequence (meaning) is a fetish. Hmmmmmm. For men? Women? Both? I feel like it might be more for women since men already have a high chance of being able to dodge the consequences of sec if they do desire.
 
To be clear, it's women who are sexual aroused from the sense of degredation, humiliation, and shame by their husband having sex with other women. Oftentimes it is paired with the subversion of male authority to the female, the cuckquean as you pointed out, who instigates and moderates the behavior. It is a very confused place. It is a perversion otherwise known, as @CountrySquire correctly identified it, as a kink. And that is why we don't see it acting as a bridge from the doctrine of monogamy to God's order. The two, in fact, are both doctrines of demons and belong in the same hell.
My definition is correct.

Cuckqueans come in two types. One is humilition and is one you have described. They are minimum 90% of content online simply because public humiliation is what makes them tick.

Compersion ones who do it for sake of joy and love keep out of public eye.
 
So here are my questions: Why do women object so much to polygyny when the evidence is that their husbands having additional sexual partners does not seem to bother them all that much in practice?
From my experience women object to the idea of not having a monopoly on the man, it is a form of a spiritual stronghold embedded through the worlds diverse indoctrination control mechanisms.
I have not met a woman who is bothered about any other women in my life, they mainly seemed to have an inbuilt strategic gameplay that they think is unique to them individually, in essence it is tied in with your next question about status, they set out to prove how good they are in one or multiple areas of the relationship, then the aim is to be number one, then to be the only one. So even though on the outset a woman may state she is okay with polygyny but be planning the long road to monogamy.


And would there be value in trying to circumvent those objections by protecting the status of everyone involved in the relationship?
Some women do not care as long as they do not have to meet or interact with the other women, so, that may be one of the ways of protecting status.

Some women seem to put alot of value on time spent with them as being an indicator of status.

How a woman views her status could be completely unrelated to the man so trying to circumvent objections as a man could become like trying to can thoughts and feelings, I believe that simple communication and patience is key.

The challenge is deprogramming the women and communicating our standards as the husband with regards to our view of their status with us founded in love because the majority of women have never been loved as Christ loves the church.

Which brings me to our use for concubines. If there really is a status issue involved here, and it could also be affecting the second wife, who may see that title as implying she had no other options and had to settle, could the path be smoothed, as it was for Megan, by simply calling the second woman something other than wife ? It doesn't have to be concubine. It could be mistress or any other name that allows both women to keep their status in their mind's eye if nothing else, until the situation becomes more normal? Could it be as simple as a vocabulary problem?

This rubber stamps what I have taught, that wife is not a word that we should use and neither is concubine, a concubine is, to all intents and purposes, a "wife", just not within the legal framework of the law of bigamy. The word "wife" detaches woman from what she was created for because Adam named her woman not "wife".

How a woman interacts with me and contributes to my life and what I am doing as a man determines her status not a title.
 
How a woman interacts with me and contributes to my life and what I am doing as a man determines her status not a title.
Yes, and that is hard for the vast majority of people to get their heads around. A man having his woman/women, who all equally belong to him, is so foreign to the contemporary feminist culture. Having female servants living in my home has also been a big learning curve for me, but helped me better understand how some of the biblical accounts worked. Even the female servants want a picking order and we have to deal with that.
 
So even though on the outset a woman may state she is okay with polygyny but be planning the long road to monogamy.
Ah, so I’m not using a long enough timeline.
The challenge is deprogramming the women and communicating our standards as the husband with regards to our view of their status with us founded in love because the majority of women have never been loved as Christ loves the church.
So don’t try to hack the process, there are no shortcuts?
This rubber stamps what I have taught, that wife is not a word that we should use and neither is concubine, a concubine is, to all intents and purposes, a "wife", just not within the legal framework of the law of bigamy. The word "wife" detaches woman from what she was created for because Adam named her woman not "wife".
This I’m 100% on board with!
 
Ah, so I’m not using a long enough timeline.
I believe the timeline is a lifetime, operating from that perspective has a different energy when dealing with our women, the goal is to make her perfect like MessiYAH gave his life and is doing with us, and for each of us its different.


So don’t try to hack the process, there are no shortcuts?
Not as far as I have found, however, if you do find a hack or a shortcut that works, let me know lol
 
Multiple households then?
One of the options I looked at when my new wife joined the family was a duplex with each side a mirror of the other. My notion was that I would cut an arched entrance or possibly install a set of french doors between the houses.

My opinion has always been one family under one roof is the ideal. That said, as I shop for a large home on some land in the country, I am finding that ticking all the boxes I would like would require at least a million if not multiple millions. There are a a few properties out there with multiple houses that have come close though at more reasonable prices. So, I may be forced by way of necessity to consider a multiple roof option. Don't know that I like the idea, but I suppose it would provide two kitchens.

That said...would be nice if and when we meet the right woman to join us if she enjoyed or had some talent in the kitchen or at minimum would enjoy learning. Otherwise a second kitchen seems a waste
 
"Give each of them their own kitchen," is the best practical advice I've heard on that score.

It's not equally important to all women, I have come to understand, but the offer and option are definitely, at bare minimum, 'conversation starters.'
Looked for a while for a duplex but ended up with a house with two master bedrooms. Which I suppose is something of a resource for the future and starting those conversations
 
One of the options I looked at when my new wife joined the family was a duplex with each side a mirror of the other. My notion was that I would cut an arched entrance or possibly install a set of french doors between the houses.

My opinion has always been one family under one roof is the ideal. That said, as I shop for a large home on some land in the country, I am finding that ticking all the boxes I would like would require at least a million if not multiple millions.,..
Years ago, one of my best friends was a software engineer where I worked at the time, and he had a wife who was working toward an architecture degree. She was assigned a project for her class on custom house design, which included working up a unique house for a specific customer.

She asked if we would like to help her, and spent the semester designing a specific house for us, and interviewed me, and both of my wives, at length for the project.

It took the form of a central area, living room, etc, with multiple kitchens and bedrooms, in the form of a 'star configuration,' radiating outwards. We were all pretty happy with what she produced (I'm pretty sure she got an "A" for the semester) and she gave us a nice, full color project package with drawings and presentation artwork when it was all finished.

PS> I probably posted something here about it before - if so, it may still be out there somewhere, circa 2006 or '07.
 
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"Give each of them their own kitchen," is the best practical advice I've heard on that score.
For myself....I really hate that idea!

I appreciate company and help in the kitchen.

I don't want my own to work in ....alone, or clean.....by myself.

I don't even like the idea of separate rooms. I never had my own room growing up, I have shared a room with my husband for 27 years, a room to myself sounds lonely. I might not mind a room.....for sewing! Or another bedroom off the master for when a young one is sick so mom can be there with greater comfort for her, and less impact on the other adults. My dear husband has taken the couch in previous years and let the little one sleep with me, but another room for that would be nice.

I always felt if you couldn't live together there would really be no point. I wanted more family....not to divide the one we have.
 
It's funny to me that people will draw hard and fast rules as if they know what works for everyone. How about we simply say this: "Men, be good leaders and figure out what will work for your family in your situation."

*edited to add* I'm speaking about number of kitchens, beds, rooms etc...
 
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That said, as I shop for a large home on some land in the country, I am finding that ticking all the boxes I would like would require at least a million if not multiple millions.

Maybe consider buying a place that will also provide at least part of your income or maybe even pay for itself. Maybe enough that you'd be able to stay home instead of leaving for work every day.
 
And from an American perspective. Some polygynous families would be happy with one kitchen, one separate bedroom, and especially with indoor plumbing.
Or even one tent with one fire!
 
And from an American perspective. Some polygynous families would be happy with one kitchen, one separate bedroom, and especially with indoor plumbing.
Solve the separate kitchens issue by giving each wife 3 rocks and a grate to cook over?
 
Yes. The likelihood of failure would have been much higher. I think it would have been an insult to Shari and Christie for Steve to say I was their equal when I was just coming into the family and it wasn't yet certain if I'd see it through.
I think this is important on a lot of levels.

When you look at the plig seeking sites, you see a Lot of the ladies profiles using various itterations of "I want to be an equal partner" and it is clear that nobody thinks they should be a junior partner ever. I suppose that the perceived marketplace value as supported by the tonnes of attention woman on all dating sites get, helps to reinforce the idea that they will just slot right in at the same level of a wife of years or decades. Even if they are showing up with a couple of suitcases and not a tonne to bring to the party beyond their company...or in a few cases significant debts and baggage from previous relationships.

I have to assume that the small number of these women who were/are sincere in the desire to lead plig life, will in fairly short order be snapped up by the men or couples who are willing to agree to those terms. I also assume that by going along with that notion of immediate equals just by setting foot in the door, that the relationship is all the more likely to be doomed from the start.



On that point alone I was not their equal. Shari had demonstrated her commitment to Steve and Christie had demonstrated her commitment to both Steve and Shari. With me I had serious doubts about everything including myself. Leaving was a possibility for me up until I got pregnant. Then it was a lot less likely. Then I found out I had twins coming and while I wasn't going to leave I also felt trapped. Looking back this was a good thing. It made up my mind for me and I had choices taken away from me.
I dislike being seen as a bad decision and that a woman would feel trapped in a marriage with me but I suppose I can see how thst might be an unavailable stage in a relationship with some women. Just doesn't sound particularly flattering
Yes. First is because it's realistic. If your first wife is still with you after you take a plural then her commitment is less in doubt than the plural's commitment.

with the number of false starts and times we have been ghosted by women who were the day before professing love for me/us, I would certainly need to have the commitment proven more than a little.
On a personal level, I hope to meet someone with more of a cultural or personal familial connection to polygamy than someone who thinks it would be a fun adventure or who is desperate and sees me as a potential safe haven or temporary respite from whatever life she was tired of for the time being. I suppose if we use concubine in the context as discussed in this thread then I am fine with it for a time but I certainly would not like the idea of getting my emotional guts ripped out if after having lived as a concubine for a time, a woman decided the life was not for her.
I figure someone with the right background and preexisting thought patterns is less apt to jump in on a whim and less likely to bolt when she gets bored or anxious or what have you.
I know for myself I have a special kind of respect for real first wives because they've had to go it alone. I've never had to go it alone.
they are champs for a fact

I kinda understand how men roll with new women in the house. ;)

That's a reality and not a theory. Granted that a new plural may not be a 100% concubine boink bunny but to some degree she will be. That's normal. It's normal for a man to want to get to know his new wife and maybe even have children with her.

plural wife or mono wife, at the beginning there will be a lot of happy making activities for a fact
A plural family is not a convent and patriarchal men are not monks.

accurate
Society doesn't approve of plurals and patriarchy and I just don't see any room to tolerate their rules and expectations in our families.
Brava
Then they seek satisfaction of their need for an actual man by seeking out the wrong kind of manly man who just wants an affair. Or perhaps they're suited to each other and they end up together.
yuck
I do think there is a core biological reflex under this where a woman might marry this guy because he's 'safe':

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But when it comes time for her to feel that reproductive or mating urge she seeks out the guy who satisfies her biological imperatives:

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The first man in IMHO designed to be revolted by all of this and he abandons the cheating wife and she takes up with the second guy.
Choosing the goof and then going for the more masculine douch for what amounts to more manly genes as opposed to just marrying a masculine man with existing wife sounds like R vs K strategy or sperm selection vs mate selection evolutionary psychology.
Would prefer to see more woman consider the second option obviously. It worked well for our ancestors and it certainly has a place today...more and more as the world goes insane by my lights
From the other woman's perspective (been there, got the maternity dress!) there is something undeniably smokin' hot about the man who has more than one woman and who has had babies with them AND is committed to them! This IMHO is why so many women are attracted to married men.
Well...the flirtation I will receive on occasion certainly is not because I am pretty so I suppose that might explain it
The failure of the women who want the mono-married man is when they want what the first wife has. And they can never have that. I find it ironic that the other woman wants the trustworthy, loyal, and committed married man but the very second she takes possession of him all those qualities about him go POOF! and are gone. Now he's just a cheater and philanderer and that's what the other woman gets.
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The poly woman will want what the patriarchal man has provided for his family and guess what? She can have it!
Bingo
Not if as Samuel says the role of concubine leads the plural into becoming a wife. In which case the role is temporary but the wife is permanent.
Certainly hope it is
Honesty is the best policy. Especially within your family.


Part of why over the years I have seen the wisdom behind patriarchy and especially quiverfull patriarchy. Speaking for myself, I stopped feeling like a guest (or interloper) when I had my twins.
Definitely sound notion, cementing the place in the family soonest by way of a baby
 
Maybe consider buying a place that will also provide at least part of your income or maybe even pay for itself. Maybe enough that you'd be able to stay home instead of leaving for work every day.
That is very much the plan.
I grew up on a cattle ranch and while I don't know remotely what Nick does for example, I know enough to get started on a bit of a side income on some land. Later I would hope to make it my occupation but I suspect that for the first couple of years I would change roles at my company and work remotely. Be home to help with homeschool as well as chores during breaks from work.
Take my zoom calls in my grubby overalls sort of thing
 
Years ago, one of my best friends was a software engineer where I worked at the time, and he had a wife who was working toward an architecture degree. She was assigned a project for her class on custom house design, which included working up a unique house for a specific customer.

She asked if we would like to help her, and spent the semester designing a specific house for us, and interviewed me, and both of my wives, at length for the project.

It took the form of a central area, living room, etc, with multiple kitchens and bedrooms, in the form of a 'star configuration,' radiating outwards. We were all pretty happy with what she produced (I'm pretty sure she got an "A" for the semester) and she gave us a nice, full color project package with drawings and presentation artwork when it was all finished.

PS> I probably posted something here about it before - if so, it may still be out there somewhere, circa 2006 or '07.
I have had a notion about having a suite for each wife with a small living area, nice bedroom and bathroom as well as a kitchette.
I would not wish to encourage a wife withdrawing to her suite constantly to avoid the family by any means but I can certainly see the need for each woman to have her own space and the ability to escape a bit now and then from a presumably rambunctious house full of kids and a whimsical husband's shenanigans
 
I would not wish to encourage a wife withdrawing to her suite constantly to avoid the family by any means
Believe me, it can happen with nothing more than her own bedroom.
 
For myself....I really hate that idea!

I appreciate company and help in the kitchen.
Thanks, and it 'jes goes to show' what a lot of us already knew, but appreciate:

Women are different. And we love that.

(And parenthetically, perhaps there's something to be said for cooking in one another's kitchen, which I've certainly found to be a great 'bonding practice.' But that way, a wife who chooses can arrange her own layout, and enjoy seeing how another woman chooses to do it as well.)
 
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