My experience is that it’s daughters that stay engaged in their own families and bring their husbands into that orbit. Sons tend to gravitate towards their wife’s family.
I’ve seen it across three generations now.
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Biblically dividing up your inheritance
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I’ve seen it across three generations now.
I am so not surprised about that in a culture that is female dominated. I have been speaking about ideals this entire time while making allowances for the current realities that we are faced with.
If we were in a Patriarchal society, I believe that you would not see the trends as they currently exist.
You cannot really expect that a woman will just cut off ties to her family and focus entirely on her new family, that would be cruel.
Like I said I consider my family, siblings, parents, cousins, etc. some of my best friends. Even after marriage I would still enter joint competitions with my dad, go sailing with my siblings etc.
You’ve been speaking out of your ass this entire time. You have no idea how my family’s culture is dominated.
In what weird world would the sex we all believe is hardwired by God to be more empathetic and nurturing and natural caregivers, not be the ones who mainly care for their parents?
If you have sisters (I’m highly skeptical that you have children of your own, certainly not grown ones) ask them how often they call your parents and compare that to how often you call your parents.
Then get back to me.
I would never think of cutting a wife off from her family. That would be cruel in my opinion also. I did not state that or intend that to be received that way.
I am not talking about your family culture. WOW ! Culture was referring to society at large. To think that was directed at your family was a bit myopic!
I never said that females are not the ones that provide the bedside care. I said that sons (ideally) would ensure that the elders in their families are provided care. For you and everyone that seems to be MISSING the point, I am claiming that MEN SHOULD ensure that the elders are cared for!
In a Patriarchal society, men should ensure that this care is provided.
It is interesting how hard you try to be caustic without cause. You claim that I have no insight into your family and then presume to know the dynamic in my family.
In fact, I have been the glue in my family for decades.
Why even bother distinguishing between the sexes? Parents care for their children, grandparents help with the grandchildren, the children, grandchildren, help care for parents/grandparents. Sex is irrelevant.
Individual circumstances should play a role if one child has 5 children of their own, the other child is single, then perhaps it is expected that he invest more time with the parents. If one child is more financially stable then perhaps they would be morally expected to take ore the the financial burden etc.
Individual circumstances should play a role if one child has 5 children of their own, the other child is single, then perhaps it is expected that he invest more time with the parents. If one child is more financially stable then perhaps they would be morally expected to take ore the the financial burden etc.
Maia, given your world view, you may not ever agree with this but, men should be the leaders in society. When women are allowed to lead, it is not long until they and the men that follow them, legalize murdering innocent people to the tune of over one million people per year. This leads to a lack of concern for life in general. Lack of care for seniors. Lack of strong family unions. Population collapsing. Society in general begins to collapse and we are not far from the end result of this reality today.
I am calling for men to become the leaders that God intended them to be. In a society where men know that they are responsible as the leaders, they naturally look to provide for all of the people within their sphere of responsibility.
The Patriarchy is how biblical families are designed....... There should be a forum dedicated to this ideal!!!
I wonder if Russia ad Ukraine were governed by woman, if they would have gone to war over essential worthless lands in eastern Ukraine. I would think not. This war is fought by primates without logical thinking.
Regarding abortion, personally I think if one conceives a child both parents should raise them, and I generally frown upon abortion. Rape and situations were the health of the mother is concerned would be exceptions of course. However, I would not make it a law, in the end I view it as a personal decision.
That being said, I do find it curious that people who take a strict interpretation of the bible are vehemently against abortion. The bible says that life beings with the first breath, and if someone hits a pregnant woman, and the unborn child dies as a result, then as per the bible it is not punished as murder (death penalty) but instead the father gets to determine the amount. So basically, biblically the unborn child gets treated as an object and its destruction needs to be financially compensated. Personally I disagree with the bible in this case, but bible thumpers are being a bit hypocritical here.
“When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. (Exodus 21:22-25)
I understand your confusion...
I said that I have observed three generations of my family and you said that is probably how it works in female dominated cultures. That’s not myopic, it’s what you said.
Now that you’ve refined your pronouncements you have something a little more coherent and defensible.
“Patriarchal men should ensure that their parents are cared for,” is an accurate statement of opinion that can be supported.
The statement “The best way to provide for your wife is to give her sons and daughters are an acceptable second choice but nowhere near as good,” is silly and vacuous.
The idea that sons are more attentive to their parents than daughters is laughable. I have 8 daughters and 7 sons and I assure you that it’s the daughters that will call and check on me. It’s the daughters who know what’s going on with who and who needs what.
I would not not describe myself as confused. There are certain things I am not good at, but there is clarity in that as well.
Because YHVH does. That's ultimately the point of almost everything discussed here.
Do better!
I get the impression you do more then he does.
Distinguishing isn't necessarily the issue. It's making claims that are blatantly incorrect.
Then you should read Him more.
How do poly men handle this? Are you torn on several sides?
I don’t know. That’s a god question. We should ask some of our practicing families.
I think I did pretty good. I encapsulated your argument (to be fair a poorly thought out and garbled argument so I shouldn’t be holding you too closely to it) very accurately.
My response was that your argument is incorrect. It is daughters that are more naturally inclined to care for everyone period, but they especially tend to stay more engaged with their mothers.