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Can the Bible become an Idol and if so what does that look like?

Coming to a thread pretty late again!

"My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved; and I will meditate in thy statutes." - Psalm 119:48
"Thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." - Psalm 138:2
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." - John 6:63

Other than worshipping the ink and paper, I am not sure how you could idolize Scripture, and the ink and paper isn't the Scripture anyway (just as no specific instance of a word or book "is" the word or book itself). The closest I would say would be a faith healer "healing" someone by hitting them with a Bible.
Anyway you wouldn’t be worshipping the Word of God if you were disobeying it, so if it is wrong to worship the Word then “worshipping the Word” would be self-contradictory.

I have found that the KJV is not a perfect translation by the same standards by which the corrupt modern translations are rightly rejected: the translators did not believe in full preservation. But because the KJV was translated from uncorrupted texts it is at least far less corrupt than modern versions: here is a pair of articles I wrote on this.

One can become proud about the knowledge they have, but I think the right path is not to value knowledge less, but to value it more, to the end that the idea of not knowing is so reprehensible that knowing is nothing to boast of. Those who treat it as something extra or some singular thing that they have knowledge grossly undervalue it. If a person thought it a great honor for him to even look at someone, would that really be honoring to that person? If someone had true reverence, he would not act as if it was exceptional to study and ponder and amass as great an amount of good knowledge as he could.
“What hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?” - I Corinthians 4:7
“When ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.” - Luke 17:10
“And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.” - I Corinthians 8:2

In a similar vein, one way people think they are honoring the Bible is by saying we cannot know God or anything about him or be saved without reading the Bible. The problem is, this blatantly contradicts the Bible, which says:
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:” - Romans 1:20
(This is one place it states this explicitly, but most of the doctrines of the Bible are directly based on the principle that all men are accountable for whether or not they follow God, whether they have access to Scripture or not.)

But the fault again is in not valuing the Bible enough through not valuing it rightly: we do not deserve a single word from God, yet he has given us an unbelievable wealth of it, through his infinite grace. People say we “need” his word in order to obey him, but what it boils down to is claiming it is owed to us, rather than being a gift so beyond our need as to be unthinkable: that God himself, and even in person as Christ, would speak to us, and directly urge us to accept the most completely basic and undeniable things as God’s eternal power and godhead. Just as he holds all men responsible to repent of their sins and accept his mercy, yet only revealed to some, after thousands of years, what that mercy cost him. Those who do not know of his sacrifice have less than no excuse, and those who do know the dreadful and eternally inexpressible thought that God died and rose again to save us are so beyond being without excuse that it would be hysterical if it was not so unfathomably sobering.

On the discussion of whether the Pharisees worshipped the Bible, I would point out that the depiction of Pharisees most popular in this culture is a myth that is the opposite of what is read in Scripture. Their official doctrine was sound, so you could be called a Pharisee and still be a true servant of God, but as a group they were not “strict observers of the law” who “followed the letter of the law exactly” but failed to have some kind of emotional attachment type of relationship to God with which some people try to replace the obedience God teaches. In this thinking they all but make it a virtue to sin from time to time.

The Bible specifically says the Pharisees did not do what they told others to do. They were hypocrites not in “doing the right thing but being proud about it”, but in the very simple sense that they would not do what they commanded others to do, breaking the very law they taught. Even in the open they replaced God’s Word with their own laws, and in secret they were murderers, thieves, liars, and committing all uncleanness were children of the Devil and Hell. Think about it: they agreed together to use bribes and false witness to murder an innocent man so that they could maintain their nice position in the eyes of gentile Rome. Who says they got all the motions right, and just missed the emotions?

That being said, if hypothetically there was a group of people who put study and knowledge of the Scriptures above obeying them, and basically cared more about reading and scholarliness than about holiness and righteousness, then you could of course say this is wrong. But saying they are “worshipping” Scripture doesn’t make sense, because the whole point is that they don’t actually care about what they are reading at all, just about reading it.
“But to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.” - Isaiah 66:2

“At the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow,” and, “Thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.”
 
A certain man went off to war in another country. Every month or two he wrote his beloved a letter. She treasured those letters and reread them every day, his heart was in them.
When he returned, he found that she was so in love with and blessed by his letters that she preferred to spend her time with them, rather than spending time with him.

The analogy isn’t perfect, but I think that it goes a long way.
 
Thats kinda my take. The Pharisees were so in love with the written word, that when the Living Word walked among them, they ignored his Spoken Word and then killed him when he correctly identified them as vipers.
But the pharisees weren’t in love with the written Word. Their extra biblical revelations superseded it. They twisted it, ignored parts of it, and abused it for their own gain. How is that, being in love, with the written Word?
 
But the pharisees weren’t in love with the written Word. Their extra biblical revelations superseded it. They twisted it, ignored parts of it, and abused it for their own gain. How is that, being in love, with the written Word?
Their extra biblical rules were just more stringent than what the word said. I used the example earlier how they would only spit on a rock on the sabbath because spitting on dirt would be making mortar and would be working. Extreme sure. They were fanatics for the law. They forgot how to say YHVH for fear of taking his name in vain. I think they were worshiping the Word. The word was what set them apart, But had a distorted picture of what God was like. So much so that when God walked among him they wanted to kill him.
 
Thats kinda my take. The Pharisees were so in love with the written word, that when the Living Word walked among them, they ignored his Spoken Word and then killed him when he correctly identified them as vipers.
Vipers. A creature that hunts for its food.
A distinctly different sort of creature from a plant eating ruminating mammal.

I do understand figurative speech, but given the history preceding this time there is I believe a far more literal understanding.

And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to inquire of the LORD.
And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents.

Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated.

The prophesies about Edumia, Mt Sier, and Babylon are kinda connected.

These two manners of people were mixed at the time of Christ. YHWH did not say He would write His law on the hearts of the converts to Judaism who descended from Esau.

My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me.

My word has no place in you because you are not my sheep.

You search the scriptures because in them ye think ye have eternal life, and they testify of me....but ye will not come unto me that ye might have life.


No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?

9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.

That's enough to find the rabbit hole.....if one wants to know.

If one reads about Herod they will be under no illusions that Herod did things by the book. He appointed high priests. He ruled in violation of YHWH's requirement that Kings be Israelites. Those who made up the sanheidrin may not have been biblically qualified either....just saying.
 
You have a completely unformed thought here. You are worried about people making the Bible an idol even though you admit it's the Word of God (which is one of the ways Jesus is described), you admit it must be obeyed and never contradicted so how exactly would one make the Bible an idol? IF it's the Word of God, IF it's completely correct and IF it must be obeyed then what is there left that you can do more anyway.
You are right. I am working with an incomplete thought. Little pieces come to me and I lose them just as fast it seems. I think this question gets at the heart of this thing. How can the Bible be an Idol? I personally believe anything that sets on the throne of your life is your God. Whether that be TV, football, fishing, or yourself. Everyone worships something. This brings me back to my saying on the river. The enemy knows he is going to be hard pressed to make someone who grew up in a God fearing home an atheist. What he can do is divert your worship to something else that seems right. I think that is what he does with the Bible. He is fine with you following rules if you never know the father. You can blend with the Church and feel comfortable setting in the pews but without the Father you will only have a form of Godliness. Now can you know Scriptures, love the book and be zealous and miss God? Most definitely. That is what I was using Paul to prove. So what was on the throne of Paul's life when he was at the killing of Steven? How can you know and live scripture but not know God and kill his followers? That is the fruit of a seed that started seemingly innocent and small. Now days people don't kill each other with stones but rather with their tongues. It is the same problem. It just looks different.
 
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Their extra biblical rules were just more stringent than what the word said. I used the example earlier how they would only spit on a rock on the sabbath because spitting on dirt would be making mortar and would be working. Extreme sure. They were fanatics for the law. They forgot how to say YHVH for fear of taking his name in vain. I think they were worshiping the Word. The word was what set them apart, But had a distorted picture of what God was like. So much so that when God walked among him they wanted to kill him.
Calling that idolization is not accurate. What it is, is adding to the word of God.
 
But the pharisees weren’t in love with the written Word. Their extra biblical revelations superseded it. They twisted it, ignored parts of it, and abused it for their own gain. How is that, being in love, with the written Word?

Even today, I think that observing Jews consider themselves to be very conscientious observers and lovers of the Old Testament. Sure they do things differently than we do, but thats isn’t proof that they don’t love the Word.

Specifically, I think the Pharisees of Christs day loved the Word in part because it was the basis of their power in the community. They elevated in in part because the knowledge of it elevated them if they elevated it.
 
Paul said that if anyone came preaching another gospel, let them be accursed or damned to Hell. I would say that believing the right thing is pretty darn important.

Important, sure. But must we attain perfect belief to go to heaven? What does 'another gospel' mean? How much of doctrine must be correct to not go to hell? Churches divide over all sorts of doctrinal disagreements... polygamy, divorce, church worship practices, clothing styles, understandings about God, etc etc. How perfect must my belief be?

King David refers to Scripture as God’s word
Psalm 119:11 KJV
[11] Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

11 I have stored up your word in my heart,that I might not sin against you.
Psalms 119:11 | ESV

Referring to Scripture as God’s word is not claiming that the Bible is literally God.

Funny, I don't see him say "scripture" in those quotes.

that’s not even logical.

No less logical than words becoming flesh.

Transubstantiation is part of RCC doctrine not protestant. There are some protestants who believe that but they are not the majority.

Who are the “some men” you are referring too? It’s certainly not the majority of protestants. The vast majority of protestants believe the Holy Spirit still works today, in fact it’s an essential part of their doctrine.

I thought the question was 'can the Bible become an idol'? I'm not trying to prove what the vast majority of protestants believe, just how some beliefs can lead to making the Bible an idol.

The vast majority of protestants believe the Holy Spirit still works today

Do they? How do the vast majority of protestants believe the HS is working today?
 
Anyway you wouldn’t be worshipping the Word of God if you were disobeying it, so if it is wrong to worship the Word then “worshipping the Word” would be self-contradictory.

Christ said...

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

They MUST worship in spirit AND in truth. Truth is not enough. Perfect understanding alone won't get you there. So what does it mean to 'worship in spirit'?

A certain man went off to war in another country. Every month or two he wrote his beloved a letter. She treasured those letters and reread them every day, his heart was in them.
When he returned, he found that she was so in love with and blessed by his letters that she preferred to spend her time with them, rather than spending time with him.

The analogy isn’t perfect, but I think that it goes a long way.

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21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
The Two Foundations
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

I think this gets into the Pharasee thing too. They lacked the "and acts on them" part.

And I think the Protestants are in love with studying the Bible as well. But they're not so good at the acting on it part.
 
A pocket full of seeds and no fruit

Ouch. But true. I wonder if it would be metaphorically accurate to describe churchian pastors as little birds. Beautiful songs, but effectively working to snatch up the word and make it void.
 
You are right. I am working with an incomplete thought. Little pieces come to me and I lose them just as fast it seems. I think this question gets at the heart of this thing. How can the Bible be an Idol? I personally believe anything that sets on the throne of your life is your God. Whether that be TV, football, fishing, or yourself. Everyone worships something. This brings me back to my saying on the river. The enemy knows he is going to be hard pressed to make someone who grew up in a God fearing home an atheist. What he can do is divert your worship to something else that seems right. I think that is what he does with the Bible. He is fine with you following rules if you never know the father. You can blend with the Church and feel comfortable setting in the pews but without the Father you will only have a form of Godliness. Now can you know Scriptures, love the book and be zealous and miss God? Most definitely. That is what I was using Paul to prove. So what was on the throne of Paul's life when he was at the killing of Steven? How can you know and live scripture but not know God and kill his followers? That is the fruit of a seed that started seemingly innocent and small. Now days people don't kill each other with stones but rather with their tongues. It is the same problem. It just looks different.
Alright then, what does that look like? How does someone make an idol out kd scripture? How much devotion to scripture is too much devotion to scripture? At what point am I too obedient? At what point are my own inklings more more reliable than God's Words? When will the Holy Spirit tell me to not obey scripture and how will I know it's not just my sin nature leading me astray again?
This idea is ill advised. There is no other standard we can trust, there is no other measure by which we must check the vagaries of the doctrines of men. The Bible is all we have to stand on. It is our only source for the Truth that brings us hope and if you need any more evidence then just realize that all your attempts to prove otherwise all reference the Bible.
 
@rockfox , the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, self control etc. Protestants don’t exhibit any of these fruits? Is that what you are asserting?
 
Would somebody please stop and define what you mean by "making an idol out of"? It seems to me this conversation has generated more heat than light, but it looks mostly like a semantic argument around some people's using terms and phrases such as "idol", "idolize", or "make an idol out of", and then some other people taking offense at that.

I don't see anyone saying the bible's not important, or that we don't need to study it, or that we should all follow some teacher that has a "new revelation" that contradicts scripture. And I don't see anyone denying the truth of 1 Cor 8:1-3 (knowledge puffs up, but love builds up) or John 5:39-40 (it is possible to be really interested in scripture study and completely miss the person of Jesus--it's happened before) or other verses that indicate that there is more to being a disciple than reading about God or learning Hebrew (say, for example, Rom 8:9).

"Idolize" has as technical, Second Commandment sort of definition that means "to worship a thing", but it also has a metaphorical (basically non-religious) use along the lines of, for example, "admire, revere, or love greatly or excessively"(google def), so let's just shorten that to "revere excessively". It seems to me a trivial thing to observe that some churchy people who undoubtedly consider themselves sincere and committed Christians don't seem to have much interest in any facet of Christian discipleship other than attending bible study and building up their personal store of bible knowledge. Probably comes from 12 years of public school and the tacit conditioning that the whole meaning of life is getting the right answer on the test on Friday. But whatever the root cause of that is, surely everyone here can think of some person you know or have known (maybe even more than one) who can quote chapter and verse on a whole lotta stuff, but is otherwise just a bitter, judgy, self-important hypocrite--the kind of person that reminds you of those verses about clanging cymbals.

If you're not comfortable saying that that person has "idolized" the bible (okay, maybe that's a little hyperbolic, but you know what he meant), then what would you call it? What is going on when a person heavily emphasizes scripture study and their acquisition of factoid knowledge and shows no real concern for the love or the Spirit that is supposed to characterize and indwell true disciples of Christ? How would you refer to that situation?
 
@Soldier's Psalm, after I wrote that, I saw the title of the thread and was struck by this thought: I wonder if there's a semantic difference between asking (a) whether people can get their priorities out of whack and idolize things that are not God, and (b) whether "the bible can become an idol". That may be pretty subtle, but the answer to (a) seems self-evident, so there seems to be something about the phrasing of (b) that has touched a nerve.

Everyone else: I don't think SP was asking whether a leather-bound KJV could morph into a golden book that people would then be expected to bow down to and worship, and I don't think that's what anyone else here was really thinking either, at least not in any self-aware way. But I think there's something about the way the question was phrased that was disconcerting, at least for some of the folks here.

Just a thought. Maybe I just need to go to bed.... ;)
 
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