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Could the USA Be The Real, Regathered, Biblical Israel?

The fact that the modern banking system of usury originated in ancient Babylon, means it really isn't a stretch to identify this controlling and destructive force by it's place of origin. The scriptures are replete with this sort of association.

God is not overly concerned with these money grubbers. They have always existed. They will exist until He comes again. If you don't buy too much into their system they can't have all that much effect on you. Stay out of debt. Don't think there is a magical time or place where you won't have to get your bread from the ground through toil. Don't chase a high standard of living. The financial system suddenly will have very little power over you.
 
Eristophanes, I am no more heading toward British Israelism, then you, as a polygyny supporter, are heading toward a specific denomination like the Iglesias de Christos.
You may have the basic idea of polygyny in common, but there are many details and other doctrines that would separate you as well.
Each doctrine stands or falls based on it's scriptural foundation, or lack of it.

Just curious what you mean. All I can say about polygyny is that it's an option. The fact that I like it is immaterial. In fact, in terms of doctrine, I go with what the book actually says and with respect to Genesis that cuts through everything. Either God is the same and doesn't change, or God lied when He said He doesn't change.

The problem seems to be that we only know what He told us but everyone wants a complex set of rules. Kind of like taking the "It is given to man to live, to die and then justice" verse and trying to create a doctrine which then creates rules and people expect God to follow them. What about Lazarus? According to the record, he was not only dead but his body was starting to stink. Yet, when Jesus called him he came out of the tomb, alive. That kind of stands the verse in Hebrews on its head. Does the word "die" mean what we think it means? I remember reading a book by a surgeon that had accounts of people who died on the table and were resuscitated. Some came back happy, some came back screaming in terror. Yet, the memories were transient and they didn't last. The book "Heaven Is For Real" is another example. Maybe the idea of death is a window and for some it's a small one and for others a rather large one, all according to God's will.

I'm content to let others argue about it.

Like right now, I have some idiots arguing on my blog about premarital sex. I decided to let them blather and see where it leads. You can lead a churchian to the Bible but you can't make them read or think. One of them used the example of Deuteronomy 22:13-21 as an example of premarital sex. I'll have to write a post on it. Show me the prohibition. The penalty was death, so show me the law. What merited the death penalty when there is no prohibition on what is commonly known as premarital sex? There is no prohibition anywhere in the Bible against a man and woman who are eligible to marry having sex. And if they'd read just a bit further they'd have seen that the betrothed woman is called a "wife" and adultery is a death penalty offense.

People will believe what they want to believe. They will twist Scripture to support their cherished beliefs.

I took the observation Zec made and turned it into a syllogism. I had a theologian pop in and try the dabaq argument and he "proved" that men can have sex with prostitutes. Funny thing, the only prohibition on having sex with prostitutes in the entire Bible (and it applies only to Christian men) is 1st Corinthians 6:15-16. The whole thing boils down to three words. The Hebrew dabaq, the Greek Kollao and the Greek Porne. If Porne is (like every other usage of the word in the New Testament in the physical sense) a prostitute, then as used in 1st Corinthians 6:16, the word kollao means sex. Because men don't go to prostitutes to get faithfulness and loyalty, they go to prostitutes to get sex. Which means that the word dabaq as used in Genesis 2:24 means sex.

The funny part is the old axiom that you can't have your cake and eat it too is true in this case. If the word kollao doesn't mean sex (the alternate explanation was that the Apostle Paul was warning Christian men not to marry prostitutes or promiscuous women) then there is not a single prohibition in the Bible on men having sex with prostitutes. As long as she isn't married and it's just money for sex, it is not immoral. However, if the word does mean sex then as used in Genesis 2:24 the word dabaq means sex and that means having sex with an eligible virgin is to marry her. One or the other. However, women control the money in churches and given a choice, they'll go with the prohibition on prostitutes every time.

Predictably, he then attacked Genesis 2:24 saying it was nothing, just part of the story of Adam and Eve.

You can lead them to what the Bible says but it's impossible to get them to read or think about it.

In other news, I met a couple of members of the tribe who have now discovered they were confused. They thought they weren't attracted to men. When I met the first one I didn't know she was tribal. We hit it off really well and when I told her she needed to find a girlfriend because I'd never do monogamy again in any way shape or form... and she told me that was OK because she already had a girlfriend. Which explained everything. Fortunately they've always been the conservative lipstick-lesbian variety and don't have the butch haircuts, tattoos and staples in their faces. The girlfriend was cute too. When I explained my theory of where the whole thing about lesbian and bisexual labels came from it gave them mental whiplash but after they wrapped their heads around that they agreed with me. It probably helped that I took their cell phones away, gave them permission to act like idiots and we then proceeded to have fun. We had too much fun at one of the places we were at and were asked to leave. I think we offended the Baptist crowd with the discussion about finding a third. Apparently that's been on their agenda for a while. We left singing a mashup of "Wonderful World" and "Over the Rainbow" and even got the harmony on the high end.

It all goes to show that Scripture is right. It is better to go to a funeral than a party. That's how we met.
 
I appreciate the comments, and meant to reply a long time ago, but summers here are very busy.
Valid points there with dna, and I have asked others the same question regarding where they obtain the dna that they claim is Israelite, for their starting point.

Eristophanes, I am no more heading toward British Israelism, then you, as a polygyny supporter, are heading toward a specific denomination like the Iglesias de Christos.
You may have the basic idea of polygyny in common, but there are many details and other doctrines that would separate you as well.
Each doctrine stands or falls based on it's scriptural foundation, or lack of it.

Sun, after reading Jeremiah 50 I believe that prophesy is about ancient Babylon, not what is called "Mystery Babylon" in end times. The naming of Nebuchadnezzar in a current tense (this last) and the fact that ancient Babylon's fate and history is in keeping with the prophetic judgment described, are why I think it would be wrong to apply it to a modern nation. Certainly one could read a description of an evil doer in the Bible, and see a similar thing in the modern world, but it would not make a prophesy that was specific to that first one, apply to the latter.

I/we do believe that the USA is going to be invaded, by Russia and China. That we fit the description of the nation invaded in the battle of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel is clear.

I have also talked with many others who believe that the USA is Mystery Babylon, but none of them explain why they believe that our king and nation ARE Babylon, when the scripture states Babylon rules over the Kings of the earth, (plural) with no exceptions listed.

I have mentioned and even posted links before to that documentary "The Money Masters," and highly recommend people consider the information presented there.
If, as Timothy says, the love of money is the root of all evil, then certainly those who have pursued wealth in the manner, and to the degree, these men have, should have their hearts closely examined, and their motives and morals questioned. Money interests rule the world by lobbying and campaign contributions. This is hardly disputed. The IMF has been using the USA to tear down and restructure other nations UNDER THEIR MONETARY CONTROL.
The fact that the modern banking system of usury originated in ancient Babylon, means it really isn't a stretch to identify this controlling and destructive force by it's place of origin. The scriptures are replete with this sort of association.

Micah 4:10 says that Israel would go, in the latter days, into Babylonian captivity, (this is where we are today) and there be delivered. Most people in the USA are slaves of debt, and indeed our whole nation is in debt, but it is a fraudulent one, and the actions of these federal reserve bankers are described in Ezekiel 36:5

The connection between the bankers and Esau/Edom is real, and found if you research the origins of the modern Jew. (Try Koestler's The 13th Tribe)
Israel is easy to find too. Just take the words of Jesus, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." Or "Judge by fruits." Both of these statements, if applied, will eliminate the wolves in sheep's clothing.
It is NOT replacement theology to say that Israel is called by a new name, it is Biblical, a fulfillment of prophesy, and sound theology. Israel is either following Jesus, and in what is called the church, or Jesus lied.
It does however make it necessary to change current views, when they are in conflict with these statements, and that radically changes Biblical interpretation of current events.
It sure beats trying to make that glass slipper fit another foot, like I have seen many an author of articles do.

FollowingHim, what you described is what we believe happened at the time of Christ, and shortly after. God put His spirit in His people, and drew them to Jesus, as the mediator of the renewed covenant. There are many NT passages that indicate this is what happened.

Jolen, you said after reading Jeremiah 50 I believe that prophesy is about ancient Babylon, not what is called "Mystery Babylon" in end times. I strongly disagree read this from a website that I found:

Now some will say, that this passage deals with ancient Babylon, but remember, scripture reveals what happened in the past, will happen in the future, as a duality of prophecy. I believe this is one such passage, but there is much more. Let’s have scripture paint you a picture and see if you think that the land of Iraq can become the Hammer of the whole earth in the near future and fulfill even part of what scripture describes as “Mystery Babylon”. Also notice in the opening verses, in Revelation 17, “The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.” What other nation do you know that has a melting pot of every nationality upon the earth and diverse languages other than English, than does one country, the USA?

I would strongly recommend for you and others on this forum to read this article:

http://www.prophecyupdate.com/can-america-be-mystery-babylon.html

Also this: https://thepropheticnews.com/2013/12/19/25-reasons-why-america-is-mystery-babylon/

http://www.ffruits.org/v03/faqsjeremiah50and51.html
 
The U.S. is reigning over the kings of the earth...The reason that God calls her mystery Babylon is because, she changed her identity, when she moved to Europe, and North America...The U.S. is a direct descendant of Babylon the great, through great Britain...And its no coincidence that Babylon, Britain, and the U.S. are called, Babylon the great, Britain the great, and America the great...When God Says, "my people come out of her", its because the people of God are in the U.S...When God pronounces judgment on mystery Babylon, God is referring to the U.S. because, the U.S. is a direct descendant of ancient Babylon, through great Britain...The U.S. came from great Britain, and great Britain came from, Babylon the great, and these three are one and the same...The descendants of ancient Babylon are in Europe and America...God is using the U.S. to keep the nations in check, until the appointed time of her judgment...I believe that the white race have a tendency to rule the world with a rod of iron, like when Hitler tried to take over the world, or like the Romans in Jesus days...The nations idols are high and lifted up to heaven on a flag pole, and those who are pledging allegiance to the flag, don't even know they are serving idols...God said, "do not make or serve any carved image", Ex.20, De.4...And the founding fathers of the nations, did exactly the opposite of what God said, and made carved images in the likeness of heaven above and in the likeness of the earth below...And just like in the days of Daniel, when the king of Babylon, played the national anthem, and at the sound of music, the Babylonians would fall down and worship the golden image...Today, when the U.S. plays the national anthem, at the sound of music, The U.S. citizens stand up and sing a song to the spangled star of heaven...The devil uses Romans 13 to deceived those who are pledging allegiance to the flag of any nation...But, they forget that He who said in Romans 13, "submit to the authorities", also said in Ex.20, De.4, "do not make or serve any carved image"...The U.S. is serving the spangled star of heaven, and the eagle of the earth.. When you pledge allegiance to the flag, the right is placed over the heart, and when you salute the flag, the right hand is placed over the forehead...The mark of the beast in the right hand or on the forehead is identical to the pledge of allegiance to the flag.
 
America is the greatest most blessed nation in all the earth. Where does America fit in the prophetic scheme of things? Is America mentioned in the Bible? Will it have a role to play in the end-times scenario? Many say that America is not mentioned in the Bible. I disagree and strongly believe that America has been prophesied about in the Bible and that it will play a major role in the end times. How could the greatest nation in the world, the only super power, not have a role to play? Of course, it will. America has been mentioned many times in scripture. The clearest mention is found in Revelation 18. This chapter describes the end-times Babylon and the judgment that it will receive. I believe America is the end-times Babylon talked about in this chapter. Let us examine this chapter to find out why I believe America is the end-times Babylon, and what will happen to her.


The main reason why I — along with many others — believe that America is the Babylon talked about in Revelation 18 is because of several verses that, when considered collectively, lead us to conclude that America is the only country that fulfills all of the parameters listed in the verses. Let us examine what the scriptures say about this modern day end-times Babylon and see how they undeniably point to America.

http://cowgernation.com/2015/09/11/america-will-be-completely-destroyed-by-russia-in-1-hour/
 
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1. End-times Babylon is a great nation that receives judgment for its many sins.

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. (Rev. 18:2)

2. This nation is a superpower and has world dominance and importance. It has also spread its corruption to the world.

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her. (Rev. 18:3)

3. The merchants of the world are made rich through trading with this nation. This nation consumes huge amounts of goods.

And the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. (Rev. 18:3)

And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. (Rev. 18:11–13)

4. This nation is proud and arrogant and considers herself to be invincible and the greatest nation on earth.

How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. (Rev. 18:7)

5. This nation is typified by an extravagant lifestyle.

And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! (Rev. 18:16)

6. Other nations are controlled by her and given great riches by her.

And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her. (Rev. 18:9)

7. This nation is a coastal nation, with deepwater ports and much international trade.

And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off. (Rev. 18:17)

8. This nation has defenses in the heavens.

Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the Lord. (Jer. 51:53)

Which nation is the only one in the world that meets all those qualifications? America! We are the greatest country in the world. We are the only remaining super power. We dominate world politics and dictate much of what happens in other countries through whom and what we fund in those countries. We have the largest Gross National Product (GNP) in the world, far surpassing all other countries. We buy huge amounts of goods from other countries. In fact, the economy of many countries would collapse without our trade dollars. We are a proud and arrogant people and feel that we are invincible and that we are the greatest nation in the world. America, as a whole, lives in luxury compared to the rest of the world. America has many deepwater ports, and the vast majority of goods entering this country come by way of ship. And, yes, we now are the only country that has offensive and defensive weapons in space.[1],[2] The only country that meets all of the qualifications above is America.

Yes, America is described in Revelation 18 as the end-times Babylon. R.A. Coombes, in his book America the Babylon, sums it up like this:

So if not America, what nation will be the ‘mystery Babylon’ spoken of in Revelation, chapters 17 and 18? I submit that there is no other nation that could or will, and that therefore America must be the “super” nation mentioned in Revelation…..Empirical data suggests that it is America, not Rome, or London, nor some resurrected Iraqi empire, nor the United States of Europe. Textually, from the scriptures, there is overwhelming evidence that is ironclad in its data pointing only to the identity of ‘mystery Babylon’ as being that of the United States of America. Revelation chapters 17 and 18 give us 65 major identifying data points, which are identifying markers, that point out the identifying characteristics that point out the identity of this ‘Babylon’, and what its future will be.[3]

It is also interesting that, at this time in history, America, as a result of the Iraq war, has conquered and is in control of ancient Babylon. Even though Iraq has been officially handed over to the Iraqis, we are still in control, and many have deemed the government now in place as a puppet government. Ancient Babylon was a world power that encompassed the ancient “mystery” religions, hedonism, and materialism. America also embraces the ancient “mystery religions,” hedonism, and materialism, and in many ways is similar to ancient Babylon, and ironically, now controls the land it once occupied.

Some think that the end-times Babylon mentioned in Revelation 18 is Rome. They base their reasoning on Rev. 17:9: “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.” Through the centuries, Rome has been called the city of seven hills; thus, they make the connection that end-times Babylon is Rome. But Rome does not meet the qualifications of the great nation that has control over the world during the end-times as outlined above. Here is what author Stewart Best said about this:

Rome is usually pointed at as being Babylon the city, if a literal city is even recognized. Rome, however, does not come close to being able to fulfill the parameters of God for the identification of the city, Babylon. It fails in almost all aspects. Because it does not meet the requirements of God, Rome cannot be the “great city” Babylon. This is not to say that Rome is not important in prophecy, for it is - it plays a major role and is part of the Babylonian system!

The argument goes that Rome is a city-state, and the Vatican is in reality a nation, which it is, but beyond that fact, it utterly fails all of the parameters for Babylon the Great. Babylon the Great is a large nation, with many cities. It has many huge warm water seaports, a huge military, a space program, etc. Rome does not fulfill any of these. Therefore, believe God and not man.[4]

Here is what another author has to say about the Rome/Babylon connection:

Some Bible expositors make a big deal of the fact that Revelation 17 refers (verse 9) to the seven heads of the Beast as “seven hills”. (Rome was apparently built on seven hills.) A momentary allusion to Rome was appropriate at the time, but everything else in the same chapter makes it clear that even the hills are not literal hills, but rather “seven kings”. So there are circles within circles here (as there are is so many prophecies) that are easily missed if one becomes obsessed with only one aspect of a prophecy.[5]

So if one pays close attention to the language of Revelation 17 and 18, one can easily see that Rome does not meet the qualifications of end-times Babylon; nor does ancient Babylon itself, located in Iraq. Still not convinced that America is the end-times Babylon? Here are some verses that prove it conclusively.

Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. Because of the wrath of the Lord it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. (Jer. 50:12,13 — emphasis mine)

These verses in Jeremiah speak of the destruction that end-times Babylon will receive. It refers to end-times Babylon as having “a mother.” What country has a “mother?” America! Its “mother” is England. Consider the words of Author Stewart Best again:

This latter day Babylon has a mother, which is also a nation. This mother was responsible for “birthing” this mighty Babylon of the End Times. If Iraq is Babylon as some try to claim, who is the mother of Iraq? If you read this verse carefully, it says that the mother nation preceded Babylon, gave birth to her, watches her rise to full power, and watches her die in fire. Again, who is the mother of Iraq? Iraq has none.

Who is the mother of Rome, which is often presented as Babylon? Rome is not a nation, but a city. Further, she has no mother. Who is the mother of the EC, which is often presented as Babylon, the Revived Roman Empire? In point of fact, she will have no mother, and further, Babylon the Great is always shown as a single nation from her birth to her rise to full power and glory. The EC does not qualify. Each parameter must be fulfilled. You cannot pick and choose that which you wish to present to prove your case.

However, America has a mother. This mother was directly responsible for her birth. That mother preceded her. England has been around awhile. England gave birth to America, and England is still around, and England will watch America burn. England is further confirmed as the mother of Babylon the Great by Daniel the Prophet in Daniel 7:4 (the lion). Ezekiel also mentions it in Ezekiel 38/39 as “Tarshish”, who gives birth to “young cubs”. Tarshish is a cryptic reference to England and her young cubs are America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. Daniel refers to her as a lion. The national symbol of England is a lion. The eagle wings on top the lion is America, her daughter. America’s national symbol is the eagle with outstretched wings.[6]

America is the country with “a mother” and America meets the other scriptural qualifications. Thus, the clear scriptural interpretation is that America is the end-times Babylon.
 
More Indications
There are more indications that America is the end-times Babylon, as well. For example, at the gateway to our nation stands the Statue of Liberty. Free Masons in Paris gifted it to America in 1886. They commissioned fellow Mason Augusste Bertholdi, who was seeking a commission to create a robed statue of the goddess Isis, the Egyptian Queen of Heaven, holding a torch. Her connection to Babylon is easily seen in the next quote.

The Babylonian heritage of the “Statue of Liberty” should come as no real surprise to God’s people. Her identity is written in her shape. She stands on a base patterned after the Babylonian stepped-pyramids, or zigurrats, of old — which themselves were designed by the “tower” woman Semiramis and her architects. She stands literally on a base patterned after the tower of Babel! She wears a turreted crown, like Rhea, Cybele, Diana, and the pagan goddesses who were counterparts of Semiramis. She stands as a universal symbol of “liberty,” apart from the laws and commandments of God. She represents the “emanicpation” of mankind, and “immigration” and “unity” and the coming together of many races to become one universal mankind, all peoples coming together to one land, uniting the nations as “one,” with one language.

In her poem “The New Colossus,” Emma Lazarus calls the “Statue of Liberty” the “Mother of exiles.” But the truth is, she is the “Mother of harlots and abominations of the earth” (Rev. 17:5).[7]

Arguments against America as Babylon
Even though the evidence points to America as being end-times Babylon, some reject this hypothesis, citing Rev. 17:6 and 18:24: And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
They assert that America cannot be end-times Babylon because she has not participated in murdering Christians. I assert, however, that America is guilty of the murder of many Christians and Jews and will be guilty of even more in the near future.

We can assert that America already is and has slaughtered millions of innocent victims. The wholesale death of the American Indians by US forces from the 1700’s forward along with all of the aborted babies. Then of course we assert that the US leadership (Illuminati leaders) ordered fellow Illuminist, Adolf Hitler and his “illuminated” Nazi’s to kill the Jews and create the Holocaust of World War 2. In addition to that, US leaders ordered fellow Illuminist Joe Stalin to purge Russia of not just Jews but also millions of Christians during the 1930’s, 40’s and 50’s. But that’s not all, these same Illuminist leaders also ordered Illuminist Mao Tse-Tung and his Red Chinese army to slaughter up to as many as 70 million innocent men, women and children, of whom many were Chinese Christians.[8]

Mr. Coombes, in the referenced article, lists several supporting documents for his claims. I assert that, as the future leader of the New World Order, America will also be the one responsible for the martyrdom of Jews and Christians during the 70th Week of Daniel. As a matter of fact, the U.S. Senate has just passed legislation that paves the way for Christians to be arrested for hate crimes for preaching anything negative about any race, religion, sexual gender or “sexual orientation.”[9]

Not only is end-times Babylon talked about in Revelation 18, but is also talked about in Revelation 17 and other parts of scripture such as in Jeremiah 50–51 and several chapters in Isaiah as detailed by R.A. Coombes:

Babylon as a city and nation is perhaps the most mentioned gentile city/state/nation in the Bible. Only those cities in Israel, such as Jerusalem receive greater mention. There are approximately 359 direct references to the name Babylon in the Old Testament. Of these references, many are simply tied to historical accounts of events in past history. However, the 2 major prophets of the Old Testament, Isaiah and Jeremiah received from God information about a future Babylon yet to come. This future Babylon is separate and distinct from the Babylon of their day. The message of the prophets is that a latter-day Babylon would arise that would carry on the ‘spirit’ of the old Babylon. Hence, these two prophets present significant data concerning the identity of the future Babylon and its destiny. The prophets explain what will happen to this later Babylon along with data on who will be involved, where it will take place, when and how…along with why it takes place. These two prophets account for more than 80 direct references to this future city/state/nation. 64 of those are found in two chapters of Jeremiah. Those chapters are chapters 50 and 51. Isaiah accounts for two dozen more in chapters 13, 14, 18 and 47. These chapters provide a substantial insight into what happens to this latterday Babylon of the future.[10]

Jeremiah 50 and 51 is a large section of scripture concerning end-times Babylon that describe its destruction. I will not list them in full here, but I would encourage you to read them. Here are a few key verses from the text.

Because of the wrath of the Lord it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the Lord. Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for it is the vengeance of the Lord: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her. Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the sickle in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land. (Jer. 50:13-16)

How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! How is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the Lord. (Jer. 50:23,24)

Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud, saith the Lord God of hosts: for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee. And the most proud shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him. (Jer. 50:31,32)

As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the Lord; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein. Behold, a people shall come from the north, and a great nation, and many kings shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. They shall hold the bow and the lance: they are cruel, and will not shew mercy: their voice shall roar like the sea, and they shall ride upon horses, every one put in array, like a man to the battle, against thee, O daughter of Babylon. (Jer. 50:40-42)

These verses paint a gloomy picture of the end-times Babylon and the destruction that it will receive. How do we know that Jeremiah chapters 50 and 51 are talking about the end-times Babylon? One of the main reasons is that ancient Babylon was not destroyed in the way described in the passages above. Consider again the words of Mr. Coombes.

The future-Babylon prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah have over the centuries been misunderstood and misapplied. Until recently, many commentators considered many of the prophecies to have already occurred. It does seem that some of the predicted results do apply to the ancient Babylon. Those results speak of Babylon becoming a desert, where desert animals live and no man resides there. In reality, ancient Babylon—the city, has been deserted for nearly a thousand years. It did not occur in the manner described in the future prophecies! Furthermore, the old national empire of Babylon has remained inhabited by man, yet the prophecies speak of no habitation for the nation/state as well as the city. Additionally, the events in question indicate that the demise of this Babylon will occur in … one…that’s 1…1 hour. Yes, that is 60 minutes of time…for complete annihilation of not just a city but also a city/state/nation. That never occurred for ancient Babylon. She just slowly dissolved into nothingness. Therefore, the prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah are indeed still for the future.[11]

Here is one of the prophecies that show that ancient Babylon was not destroyed in this manner. “The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof.” (Jer. 51:42) Was ancient Babylon covered with waves? Did the sea come up upon it? No! Ancient Babylon was not destroyed in that way. Thus, these scriptures have to be talking about the end-times Babylon. In Isaiah 18, we have further proof that the end-times Babylon is different from ancient Babylon: Woe to the land shadowing with wings, which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopia: That sendeth ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying, Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled! (Is 18:1,2)

Once again, notes Coombes:

Finally, we have Isaiah 18:2, where we find a reference to the future Babylon’s location as being beyond the land and rivers of Cush. This ‘rivers of Cush’ reference is relating to the Tigris and Euphrates rivers of Mesopotamia. Therefore, we find the verse trying to tell us that future Babylon is BEYOND the old Babylon by a great distance !!! The implication is that the future Babylon is nowhere close, geographically, and requires a long sea voyage to get there from anywhere in the then known world.[12]

If America is the end-times Babylon, which I am convinced that it is, then as you can see from these passages, America-Babylon is slated for destruction. America has lifted her fist in the face of God. Our sins have reached unto heaven. The murders, especially of babies, the sexual perversions, the child abuse, the pornography, the drug abuse, the witchcraft that this country is involved in, are deplorable. The worst sins are yet future, however, in which America will be instrumental in bringing about the New World Order and persecuting Jews and Christians. As a result, God’s judgment will come upon America swiftly and decisively.
America, as a whole, has shown God in recent years that it does not want Him. The nation has removed prayer from school, defamed the sanctity of marriage, and is removing the scriptures such as the Ten Commandments from being displayed publicly. America is shaking its fist in God’s face and saying “We do not want you!” Unfortunately, that is what we will get. God has begun and will continue to remove His blessings and hand of protection from our nation. 9/11 was just the start, and we can see from the language employed in Revelation 18 that America will eventually suffer a terrible destruction.

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. (Rev. 18:2)

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.” (Rev. 18:8)

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. (Rev. 18:10)

Two-Stage Destruction
I do not know exactly to the last detail how the destruction of America will play out, but I do see the destruction occurring in two stages. My study of the related biblical passages has led me to believe that the first part of the judgment will involve an attack coming from the North by an invading army. Scriptures in Jeremiah and Revelation tell us that the attack is likened to what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and will involve a sudden destruction with fire and a destroying wind that will happen in one hour. The noise of the destruction will move the earth; and the shipmasters will not want to come near us for fear. I ask, for fear of what? What type of destruction is swift, involves smoke, wind, fire, burning, moves the earth, and will cause shipmasters to not want to come near? This is most likely referring to nuclear weapons being unleashed against America in an “all out” attack. Here is what Lt. Colonel Thomas E. Bearden, writing in his book, Fer De Lance, updated for 2002, said about the possibility and vulnerability of America burning:

If attacked, our ground forces will be as vulnerable as sitting ducks, out on the hot sandy desert with no place to hide. America’s cities and outmoded ABM systems will not protect us…we can expect to be attacked on all sides, with nuclear bombs, neutron bombs, EMPs, and the longitudinal electromagnetic interferometer waves that will come down upon us as fire from heaven. America will burn ...

I am sorry to say that whether you believe it or not, America as a nation is due to be judged in the 70th Week of Daniel by what looks to be an all-out nuclear attack. We will discuss the timing of this attack in the next chapter. After this first judgment, America will be totally decimated.

Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. Because of the wrath of the Lord it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. (Jer. 50:12-13)

Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation. As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the Lord; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein. (Jer. 50:39,40)

These verses indicate that, as a result of the first attack, America will become uninhabitable and likened to a desert. The second and final judgment upon America will come near the end of the 70th Week as recorded in Revelation 16:

And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.” (Rev. 16:19-21)

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. (Rev. 18:21)

So we see that this second judgment will occur at the return of Christ at the end of the 70th Week and will result in America not being found any more. This final destruction will probably occur as a result of the horrendous earthquake that will shake the world, causing every island to disappear and every mountain to be leveled, and America will sink into the ocean and be covered over by the waves forever:

The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof. (Jer. 51:42)

Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. (Rev. 18:21)

O America, I wish it were not true. Your sins have reached unto heaven and you will be smitten. The country that we love so dear, that was founded upon Christian principles and used to stand for righteousness, now promotes wickedness and will receive her just deserts. The scriptures will be fulfilled; America will be destroyed. If we repent — The only hope for America — I believe God would spare America just as He spared Nineveh when that city repented. The most grievous sin, abortion, needs to stop immediately! We also need to stop the pornography, the illicit sex, the flow of liquor, the drugs, the gambling, the witchcraft, and the flow of raw sewage coming out of the cesspool of Hollywood. America needs to stop its sin now! If we repent, maybe the Lord will have mercy upon us. But the scriptures tell us that America, like Sodom and Gomorrah, will not repent but will suffer the full blow of God’s wrath. God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. You will receive your just reward.
 
@sun, these posts of yours might contain some useful content, but they appear to be simply copied and pasted from other places on the internet. It is physically impossible to type that amount of text in 5 minutes, the time between your posts. And I have found where you copied some of it from. This website is for discussions, NOT for copying and pasting stuff to bombard people with what you think they should read. If you want to talk about something, write your OWN thoughts about it, then possibly add a link to a source. Don't just copy and paste the words of others.
I'm asking you to do this voluntarily. If it happens again I'll put you on post approval, but I'd prefer it if you'd just do it yourself.

Zec, I'm still sure that's worse, maybe by a slim margin! :)
 
@sun, these posts of yours might contain some useful content, but they appear to be simply copied and pasted from other places on the internet. It is physically impossible to type that amount of text in 5 minutes, the time between your posts. And I have found where you copied some of it from. This website is for discussions, NOT for copying and pasting stuff to bombard people with what you think they should read. If you want to talk about something, write your OWN thoughts about it, then possibly add a link to a source. Don't just copy and paste the words of others.
I'm asking you to do this voluntarily. If it happens again I'll put you on post approval, but I'd prefer it if you'd just do it yourself.

Zec, I'm still sure that's worse, maybe by a slim margin! :)

Thank You FollowingHim, I apologize, I didn't mean to bombard you guys with this information. I just wanted to inform people about the topic of whether Babylon is America or not. It was meant to educate people on this forum about this topic. It is a topic that has always interested me but have recently had a chance to share with other people. Please don't put me on post approval; I will not do this again.
 
Malachi 4:4 speaks of Israel going "even to Babylon" in a prophetic passage and sense.
For most people in any nation, the changes happen slowly over enough time that they are just accepted. Like slow boiling a frog.

Hubby read this article, and I was struck with how good of an overview this was of the gradual take over and captivity (to other value systems and debt) of the usa.

This is why we see "Mystery Babylon the Great" as the forces behind the changes that have happened in our country, not the country itself.

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin932.htm
 
The Vatican is the whore of Babylon, Washington D.C. and London are her daughters. All three are independent "City States" and have their own government, laws, police, etc... I remember how freaked out they got when there was a move to make Washington D.C. the 51st state.

The Vatican is the political and religious center, Washington D.C./NATO is the military arm, and London is the financial arm of the New World Order system that is trying to establish itself as the first of the four horsemen, the rider of the white horse that comes to conquer. Trump will win the election and prove to be a speed bump for them, and will resist them, but will not be able to stop them - that is unless you think Trump can rewrite the scriptures.

The seat of the Antichrist has been established in Brussels, Belgium at the EU headquarters and is awaiting his arrival. The Pope is the false prophet and is working diligently to establish a one world religion and build the third temple in Jerusalem. The Vatican is also continuing its work on the "alien deception" which is actually demonic. We will be introduced to an "improved" understanding of the gospels due to "new" information these beings will present to us.

The Revelation 12:1 sign will manifest itself at about midnight on September 23rd, 2017 which will mark the beginning of the opening of the first four seals. (This is astronomy not astrology - God said in Genesis that he set the stars, sun, and moon in the skies to be for SIGNS and seasons) Download a free program called "Stellarium" and watch how three "wandering stars" join with the nine stars of Leo above the head of Virgo 9/23/2017 - see picture below. This particular alignment happens once roughly every 6000 years.
By 2021 the fifth seal will be opened and we will see the mark of the beast law enacted globally and severe persecution of Christians. In 2024 the sixth seal will be opened and we will have great earthquakes and the sun and moon will be darkened then the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture of those that remain.

Yes, I know, no man knows the day nor the hour of His coming. I didn't specify a day nor an hour, but Jesus Himself stated that we needed to be aware of the times we are in, and even chastised the Jews that they did not recognize the signs of the times that they were in when He was with them.

The message here is that there were ten virgins. All ten had oil for their lamps, righteousness imputed to them by Yeshua. Only five had enough oil for the remainder of the journey as they had prepared themselves to become the bride-wife of Yeshua by totally and completely submitting themselves to Him. It is one thing to believe in Jesus, it is quite another thing to unreservedly give yourself to Him.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
(In biblical times visible planets were referred to as traveling or wandering stars)

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@Scarecrow, thankyou for that excellent summary, that's pretty much how I see this playing out also but you've summarised it a whole lot better than I could. I'm not so confident about the years you state, the woman clothed with the sun sign is extremely fascinating and is highly likely to be the fulfillment of this very specific prophecy - but might not be. Regardless of whether the details are correct though, as we'll always have something wrong, we should be living as though these events are about to occur. Because we are to be continually ready for His return, and we'll never regret being ready.

If I had been living in Germany in the 1930's, looked at Hitler and decided he was the antichrist, and fled the country to escape, I would have been wrong about the details but still would have never regretted acting on it.
 
@Scarecrow, ... If I had been living in Germany in the 1930's, looked at Hitler and decided he was the antichrist, and fled the country to escape, I would have been wrong about the details but still would have never regretted acting on it.

Nazi Germany was a trial run for what we are currently seeing develop and had many of the earmarks of what we are seeing today, but too many prophecies had yet to be fulfilled for that to be the time. Hitler frequently spoke of the 1000 year Reich he wanted to establish just as our modern day Pope is also trying to establish a 1000 year kingdom. It must be a demonic influence that causes these people to think they can reign a thousand years in the place of Yeshua.
 
This is why I spend about 1/100 of my time studying eschatology...too much conjecture.

Acts 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

He is coming again, we must going about our business and proclaiming the gospel...the details will fall in place without me.
 
This is why I spend about 1/100 of my time studying eschatology...
:) which is why we willingly do it for you. I hope it is the Gospel of the Kingdom you are preaching, that is what Jesus taught and commanded us to teach.
 
This is why I spend about 1/100 of my time studying eschatology...too much conjecture.

Acts 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

He is coming again, we must going about our business and proclaiming the gospel...the details will fall in place without me.

I wish I could like this a thousand times. The Revelation is partially closed to us and its literal interpretation will not be open to is until its time. And when it is we will be floored.
 
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