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Courtship?

My sis dated a guy she was sure would be a great husband and father, and he had a fun personality. She said there was no chemistry. It does have to have all elements to be really rewarding for all.

That was me and my ex-fiancee, many many moons ago, even though we were engaged we started to feel "Oh, we're great friends, we like hanging out with each other... But there is something missing." We broke it up mutually but are still friends to this day. He is married and in a polyamory relationship. And his wife and girlfriend are friends!
 
Then maybe you were meant to be friends. ;)

Oh yes but I'll never forget the times we had. Never would've gone to New Orleans, experience his childhood places, the food, etc and my family helped him in ways that his family never did. I mean, my Mom taught him how to drive. He was in his 30s but because of being in the Army and deploying, he never found a reason to own a car. He'll always be family.
 
I read this and thought if the scene in the substitute wife where the widdow comes to dinner...and the man just says "I know why your here and you may as well know now I won't be marrying you. My wife is a good cook and your welcome to stay for dinner." Then he walks out.

The wife was upset, but as he explained "She didn't give me the tingles. "

My sis dated a guy she was sure would be a great husband and father, and he had a fun personality. She said there was no chemistry. It does have to have all elements to be really rewarding for all.
Great scene from that movie... made me laugh.

Truly, chemistry is an odd thing.
 
What I am not seeing in the discussion of “tingles” is any value placed on a man’s spiritual depth, character, or ability to lead his family. It’s like the assumption is that all men are roughly equivalent in those areas and the only yardstick is whether their feelings are properly affected.
I’m here to tell you that, while all men were created equal, they vary greatly.
Do you value the souls of your future children, if not your own?
Pretty much 100% of divorces these days happen between couples that had tingles.
Of course the goal is to have both tingles and an absolutely solid man, but don’t err on the side of tingles.
 
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Make Arranged Marriages Great Again!
If by "Biblical families", we mean something more than "polygyny is ok", then arranged marriages should be discussed. I'm not saying that the Bible requires arranged marriages, but marriages in the Bible usually were arranged.

I have a good friend from India whose marriage was arranged (both husband and wife are from Christian background in India). They have been married 22 years, have several children, and are happier than most.

I appreciate tingles, but arranged marriages has advantages as well.
 
If by "Biblical families", we mean something more than "polygyny is ok", then arranged marriages should be discussed. I'm not saying that the Bible requires arranged marriages, but marriages in the Bible usually were arranged.

I have a good friend from India whose marriage was arranged (both husband and wife are from Christian background in India). They have been married 22 years, have several children, and are happier than most.

I appreciate tingles, but arranged marriages has advantages as well.

It depends, if arranged marriages in the US were more common, my Mom would've married me off for the wrong reasons. As in the "Let someone else handled her, this is too much!" Even when I was still very ill with my Crohns. She would've let her stress cloud her judgment. Like the ex-fiancee I had, she tried to push me to marry him quicker but after we broke it off, a few years later my Mom told me "I am so glad you didn't marry "T", you would've been miserable."
 
Of course the goal is to have both tingles and an absolutely solid man, but don’t err on the side of tingles
My thinking was more along the lines of enjoying attraction on all levels. Also like my hubby has said, women can "pretend" where men wear their feelings....er...yeah. something like that.

So a marriage just isn't going to happen if the man has no "feelings" for the women. Conjugal duties shouldn't resemble chores imo.

What attracted me to my hubby was his desire to do what was right. It didn't hurt that he could keep up with me horseback, and being fit and young was on his side too. What attracted him to me was NOT my cooking, or the way I treated my dad. :oops:

Yes, qualities are very important....and often contribute to attraction. :)
 
It depends, if arranged marriages in the US were more common, my Mom would've married me off for the wrong reasons. As in the "Let someone else handled her, this is too much!" Even when I was still very ill with my Crohns. She would've let her stress cloud her judgment. Like the ex-fiancee I had, she tried to push me to marry him quicker but after we broke it off, a few years later my Mom told me "I am so glad you didn't marry "T", you would've been miserable."
I understand, arranged marriages are best practiced in a culture that has a history of it.
For a person outside of that culture to arbitrarily practice it probably wouldn’t be very balanced. And the responsibility should not be given to a woman.
 
Oh if my Dad had his way, I would never get married. LOL
When it comes to balance, it sounds like your parents are a pair of bookends on the outer edges of the Bell Curve.
 
When it comes to balance, it sounds like your parents are a pair of bookends on the outer edges of the Bell Curve.

Oh you have no idea, how they've been married for 39 years... Partnership as well as friendship but also, they know they have a daughter that is very reliable and they are getting up in years. I mean, they'll lose their tech support.
 
It depends, if arranged marriages in the US were more common, my Mom would've married me off for the wrong reasons. As in the "Let someone else handled her, this is too much!"

It's easy to consider something and make the mistake of thinking only the one thing would change (i.e., in this case, your mother marrying you off for the wrong reasons), but if our culture were supportive of arranged marriages, then your mother would be a whole different person about it and would have raised you differently, and, most importantly, she would have been preparing herself throughout her life to make the proper choice for you.

I would even go so far as to say that, in most cases, parents (who like to tingle themselves) would, if they focused on it, be even better than most of their children at predicting which potential mates would bring on tingles for their children. Because there are tingles, and then there are tingles. I'll start with one distinction: when we're young (especially as boys), we get aroused by the simple sight of a nipple or a breast or that place down there -- or at the very least we are aroused by the sight of certain types of those regions (we all have preferences), but those with more experience know that, not only does the novelty of just getting to see a whole breast wear off (which should only encourage people to be more picky), but one with older-person been-there-done-that wisdom also knows that sexy is as sexy does, and they are far more likely to be able to discern if a potential mate for their child will not only continue to look hot in that offspring's eyes but will be motivated to and capable of being devoted to their child's pleasure just as they are probably more likely to be able to determine if the potential mate is prepared to cook for or repair broken things for or have that child's back.

Today, at the Dallas Farmer's Market, I watched a young couple (probably about 17 or 18) hanging on to each other right outside the women's bathroom. It was fascinating to observe how bonded they were, and it was written all over the young woman's face that she could hardly tear herself away from him just to go to the bathroom. Even when she turned to walk inside, she reached back, grabbed his hand and looked into his eyes. He then quickly walked over to the men's bathroom. When he emerged, I told him I realized I was a complete stranger but that I knew I would have appreciated someone my age saying this to him (and he listened to all of it): "I could see how your young woman looked at you before you each went into the bathroom, and I want you to make sure you savor this part of your time together, because it won't last. You may spend the rest of your lives together, and it may be wonderful from beginning to end, but women rarely sustain that for years on end, and you will never stop wanting to be looked at by someone you adore as if they can't stand to be apart from you. So the best thing you can do is let time stop each time she does it and make sure she knows how much you appreciate it. And memorize it; memorize it down to its last detail." He wasn't any kind of snowflake boy; he might have been a soldier on leave, for all I know, but tears came to his eyes, and he replied, "I know; believe me, I know. I never want it to stop, and I feel the same way. Thank you."

And then Kristin came out of the bathroom right ahead of his girlfriend, giving me the perfect escape.

I've been loving what @Joleneakamama has been writing here. I concur with her: this is not an either/or situation. Sometimes it's not possible to have the whole thing, but it's definitely not usually a matter of having to choose one over the other. They enhance each other, romantic attraction and character attraction, and they are both written on our hearts by our Creator, Who designed us that way on purpose. Women could have been designed to get pregnant anytime lightning struck anywhere between 100 yards and a mile away, but instead God wrote it on our very beings to have attractions to certain one-anothers so strong that laziness, fear, reluctance and inertia go by the wayside.
 
It's easy to consider something and make the mistake of thinking only the one thing would change (i.e., in this case, your mother marrying you off for the wrong reasons), but if our culture were supportive of arranged marriages, then your mother would be a whole different person about it and would have raised you differently, and, most importantly, she would have been preparing herself throughout her life to make the proper choice for you.

I would even go so far as to say that, in most cases, parents (who like to tingle themselves) would, if they focused on it, be even better than most of their children at predicting which potential mates would bring on tingles for their children. Because there are tingles, and then there are tingles. I'll start with one distinction: when we're young (especially as boys), we get aroused by the simple sight of a nipple or a breast or that place down there -- or at the very least we are aroused by the sight of certain types of those regions (we all have preferences), but those with more experience know that, not only does the novelty of just getting to see a whole breast wear off (which should only encourage people to be more picky), but one with older-person been-there-done-that wisdom also knows that sexy is as sexy does, and they are far more likely to be able to discern if a potential mate for their child will not only continue to look hot in that offspring's eyes but will be motivated to and capable of being devoted to their child's pleasure just as they are probably more likely to be able to determine if the potential mate is prepared to cook for or repair broken things for or have that child's back.

Today, at the Dallas Farmer's Market, I watched a young couple (probably about 17 or 18) hanging on to each other right outside the women's bathroom. It was fascinating to observe how bonded they were, and it was written all over the young woman's face that she could hardly tear herself away from him just to go to the bathroom. Even when she turned to walk inside, she reached back, grabbed his hand and looked into his eyes. He then quickly walked over to the men's bathroom. When he emerged, I told him I realized I was a complete stranger but that I knew I would have appreciated someone my age saying this to him (and he listened to all of it): "I could see how your young woman looked at you before you each went into the bathroom, and I want you to make sure you savor this part of your time together, because it won't last. You may spend the rest of your lives together, and it may be wonderful from beginning to end, but women rarely sustain that for years on end, and you will never stop wanting to be looked at by someone you adore as if they can't stand to be apart from you. So the best thing you can do is let time stop each time she does it and make sure she knows how much you appreciate it. And memorize it; memorize it down to its last detail." He wasn't any kind of snowflake boy; he might have been a soldier on leave, for all I know, but tears came to his eyes, and he replied, "I know; believe me, I know. I never want it to stop, and I feel the same way. Thank you."

And then Kristin came out of the bathroom right ahead of his girlfriend, giving me the perfect escape.

I've been loving what @Joleneakamama has been writing here. I concur with her: this is not an either/or situation. Sometimes it's not possible to have the whole thing, but it's definitely not usually a matter of having to choose one over the other. They enhance each other, romantic attraction and character attraction, and they are both written on our hearts by our Creator, Who designed us that way on purpose. Women could have been designed to get pregnant anytime lightning struck anywhere between 100 yards and a mile away, but instead God wrote it on our very beings to have attractions to certain one-anothers so strong that laziness, fear, reluctance and inertia go by the wayside.

Oh, the ex-fiancee? She was really pushing me with him and... I wanted to make her happy and "T" and I did have chemistry but "friendly" until we finally just were honest and called it off.
 
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What I am not seeing in the discussion of “tingles” is any value placed on a man’s spiritual depth, character, or ability to lead his family. It’s like the assumption is that all men are roughly equivalent in those areas and the only yardstick is whether their feelings are properly affected.
I’m here to tell you that, while all men were created equal, they vary greatly.
Do you value the souls of your future children, if not your own?
Pretty much 100% of divorces these days happen between couples that had tingles.
Of course the goal is to have both tingles and an absolutely solid man, but don’t err on the side of tingles.
I don't think tingles are something felt very often at the begining of many biblical and historical marriages. I truly believe this is a huge part of the problems today. To much is caught up on the "feelings". Feeling deep love is important, absolutely, but I hear so often in the dating world "if I don't feel happy I'll leave". Another words, if I don't get what pleases me, I'll leave". That's why we have 73% of divorces started by the wife in the US, I believe. Men are less likely to walk off, despite their displeasure.

Courting should be about love for the person in a deep romantic and committed way or not. That's the point isn't it? To find out, do I want to be with this person? Will he or she provide me and give me what we both need in the marriage? For me, this is so hard to find, there may be willing ladies out there but when it comes down to walking the commitment out, all is lost.
 
I don't think tingles are something felt very often at the begining of many biblical and historical marriages. I truly believe this is a huge part of the problems today. To much is caught up on the "feelings". Feeling deep love is important, absolutely, but I hear so often in the dating world "if I don't feel happy I'll leave". Another words, if I don't get what pleases me, I'll leave". That's why we have 73% of divorces started by the wife in the US, I believe. Men are less likely to walk off, despite their displeasure.

Courting should be about love for the person in a deep romantic and committed way or not. That's the point isn't it? To find out, do I want to be with this person? Will he or she provide me and give me what we both need in the marriage? For me, this is so hard to find, there may be willing ladies out there but when it comes down to walking the commitment out, all is lost.

I've been watching a lot of mini-documentaries about Orthodox Jewish "dating" and as crazy as it seems to Westerners, "Oh we met, went on four dates, and now we're engaged" but at times it would be lovely if we could not dance around what we are wanting and go "I want to get married, here are my expectations" and see if you could get along.
 
I've been watching a lot of mini-documentaries about Orthodox Jewish "dating" and as crazy as it seems to Westerners, "Oh we met, went on four dates, and now we're engaged" but at times it would be lovely if we could not dance around what we are wanting and go "I want to get married, here are my expectations" and see if you could get along.
Hubby asked me to marry him after about three months. We were very honest with each other especially about big issues or things we thought might put the other off.

We agreed on many lifestyle issues, he was clear he would NEVER be a mormon, and even though I was mormon we also believed there is only one God and one truth and if we both wanted that we would eventually arrive at the same place of understanding. We do see religion and theology from the same angle now, and we are still very happy with each other after something like 25 years.
 
Hubby asked me to marry him after about three months. We were very honest with each other especially about big issues or things we thought might put the other off.

We agreed on many lifestyle issues, he was clear he would NEVER be a mormon, and even though I was mormon we also believed there is only one God and one truth and if we both wanted that we would eventually arrive at the same place of understanding. We do see religion and theology from the same angle now, and we are still very happy with each other after something like 25 years.

Absolutely and hopefully I can find that because the minor things are that, minor when it comes to the grander scale of life.
 
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