We don't have to do anything.
And vulgarity certainly is not evil. Who ever said that?
What we are saying is being ignored, replaced with an extreme straw-man, and then that strawman is being argued against vigorously.
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Do we need to be harsh?
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What we are saying is being ignored, replaced with an extreme straw-man, and then that strawman is being argued against vigorously.
Weird. I feel the same way
And that is utter nonsense. They have nothing to do with this, as they are not the ausience here.
This is a group of largely conservative Christians. Therefore it is reasonable to speak in a manner that will not offend conservative Christians.
If you were addressing a group of trannies, and actually wanted to be listened to rather than just have an argument, you might speak in a manner that would not cause them to immediately scream and run. Not because you had to, but because it was how to get the message across most effectively. But as this is not a group of trannies, they're irrelevant, don't bring them into it. Profanity is defined by each social group differently, and they are not this social group.
1Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
3But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5For [a]this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
So great, you follow clear cut Biblical standards. How do you interpret and follow the statement above?
Or do you get a pass because it is not clear cut?
NBTX11 I don’t feel that you truly believe what You are saying. I mean just look at all that you’ve written. Where is the slew of trash that you could heap up and thrust at these neigh sayers? Where is the profanity and foul language?! I’m disappointed in the lack of colourful language and mediocre attempts too illustrate your points. Where is the shock and awe factor? My ears haven’t bled once through this entire thread. I’m very disappointed. I should hope for better (…or worse?) in the following pages. Why even the fact that this thread is still ongoing and hasn’t been pulled down just goes to show the meekness of its members. It’s as if you believe that crude means crude and profane actually means profane! Where is Samuel L. Jackson when you need him?
Self policing is great, but to conform to a request is not self policing.
If a woman suggests her man take the lead, any leading he does after that is just following her suggestion.
As a volunteer with the fire Dept I have in some years when burn regulations were in effect (and wrongfully being applied to private property) refused to dispatch during those times. It seems any regulation is an invitation for some to enforce it on others. Some neighbors with grudges were repeatedly reporting for things not dangerous ...and I have had more then enough of that from children over the years. I didn't sign up so I could call the cops and report someone for using a chain saw to cut brush that was a fire hazzard around their home, I signed up to help people having bad days due to fire or accidents....or medical emergencies.
I also refuse to even suggest to people calling to inform us of controlled burning that they get a burn permit. The permit is free (for now) but once people are accustomed to asking for permission, they might add a nominal fee, then that can be increased, and finally penalties for not getting one can be created and imposed.
That is just the way that human nature goes.
If the forum owners want to stipulate rules they have that authority!
After that enforcing them can be a simple matter of policy, and no one else will be seen as trying to control others....or enforce their preferences.
It’s not a separate thing, I was just requesting that he raise his standards a bit in his self policing.
Everything after that was an overreaction.
The issue for me is that foolish talking and coarse jesting are completely and totally subjective. No specifics are given in this passage. It is left vague by the Holy Spirit, and I believe intentionally so. I answer to God alone on this. You don't answer to me, and I don't answer to you. I believe I can live a holy life, acceptable to God, and pleasing to Him, using words that you may consider coarse. I answer to Him for my actions, not you.
The whole point of this was to show that what is considered crude is completely subjective, changes frequently from one time period to the next, from one culture to the next and is subject to the whims and changing perspectives of a biased, unsaved society. We've already demonstrated that. The only answer I was given as to who is the arbiter of crude speech was the crowd by way of social contagion. Not good enough for me. I answer to God for my actions, not society or culture. Therefore, I will decide, using the brain that God blessed me with, whether any word is appropriate for me to use, and that will not be based on what society approves of or condemns.
I am not for anyone applying rules and regulations on others that is extra-biblical that is not based on a crystal clear biblical command or principle. Since God did not give me specifics on what actually is coarse jesting, I can use the liberty and the brain he gave me to figure out that for myself. I don't answer to this forum, my church, nor anyone else on the matter. I do my absolute best to live for Him in every way and I use language you probably would not be approving of. Oh well.
Good point. You got me on that one, brother.
No, He used the words that would accomplish His purpose; words that were right for Him to use, which included parables. He didn't add unnecessary expletives which serve no purpose.
I generally avoid profanity. I also adamantly discourage it's casual use.
On our local news this opens up almost every newscast:
And at this point it has lost it's impact. I no longer care what they say when they announce 'Breaking News' because it's always something trivial.
Likewise, the abuse of profanity makes it commonplace. It loses its impact.
As it creeps into common use the words are rendered powerless. They are no longer profane.
Case in point is a word I generally do not tolerate: "Frigging" which is sometimes said as "Fricken".
Some people find it an acceptable alternative to the F-word. Yet if you find out what it means it is truly far more offensive and far more profane.
What is defined as profanity is then a shifting sand and what truly matters is the context and intent of our words.
What does it matter if I never utter a curse word if my words cause the same effect as if I had? Am I excused? Will God excuse me because I used nice words to say something mean instead of just saying 'F*** you!' ?
Nope.
Likewise these words are void of being profane if they are uttered with no ill intent. Yes, they are still crude and improper, but like the acceptable word of frigging if no one assigns a profane understanding to it then is it anymore profane?
Just tossing this into the discussion.
On our local news this opens up almost every newscast:
And at this point it has lost it's impact. I no longer care what they say when they announce 'Breaking News' because it's always something trivial.
Likewise, the abuse of profanity makes it commonplace. It loses its impact.
As it creeps into common use the words are rendered powerless. They are no longer profane.
Case in point is a word I generally do not tolerate: "Frigging" which is sometimes said as "Fricken".
Some people find it an acceptable alternative to the F-word. Yet if you find out what it means it is truly far more offensive and far more profane.
What is defined as profanity is then a shifting sand and what truly matters is the context and intent of our words.
What does it matter if I never utter a curse word if my words cause the same effect as if I had? Am I excused? Will God excuse me because I used nice words to say something mean instead of just saying 'F*** you!' ?
Nope.
Likewise these words are void of being profane if they are uttered with no ill intent. Yes, they are still crude and improper, but like the acceptable word of frigging if no one assigns a profane understanding to it then is it anymore profane?
Just tossing this into the discussion.
I think your toss probably just summed up the entire thread fairly well.
What is your issue with the word frigging/fricken? What does it mean, other than a substitute for f******
Yet clearly Paul felt that the churches he wrote to needed to be told not to speak in a certain way. He was quite literally policing their speech. Although I don't believe it was extra biblical in any way.
I think that is the issue with it. It is just a substitute word, but not in an effort to be more precise or speak properly. It's a substitute to just get away with saying the word.
My major issue with vulgarity is that it typically makes the user look foolish. I wouldn't want my women or children speaking like that. And I don't think speaking like that makes anyone I would want to respect me respect me.
Absolutely NOT!
Absolutely! I and others do it all the time.
II Corinthians 6:17:
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Why would one want those "unclean" words to touch your tongue?
We should come out from among the world, and NOT cross the line of looking (<--- and even that's up for debate), and or talking the same as the world.
F, S, BIT, SOB, BAS, PU, CU, so on and so forth. Why would one talk like the world? YaHWeH is capable of giving one a NEW tongue, so that we DON'T sound like the world.
Ephesians 5:4:
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Filthiness
Strongs: G151
151 aischrotes ahee-skhrot'-ace
from 150; shamefulness, i.e. obscenity:--filthiness.
Colossians 3:8:
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Filthy
Strongs: G148
148 aischrologia ahee-skhrol-og-ee'-ah
from 150 and 3056; vile conversation:--filthy communication.
Proverbs 4:24:
Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.
Froward
Strongs: H06143
6143
עקּשׁוּת
[‛iqqeshûth] \ik-kesh-ooth'\
From 6141; perversity: - X froward.
Perverse
Strongs: H03891
3891
לזוּת
[lezûth] \lez-ooth'\
From 3868; perverseness: - perverse.
Deuteronomy 14:2:
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Titus 2:14:
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
I Peter 2:9:
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Philippians 4:13:
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
It is a euphemism