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Do you think there will be an increase of polygyny in Ukraine and Russia following the war?

Common sense must prevail no matter how ruling class tries otherwise.
I have no doubt that YHWH will prevail in the end, as well as that things are proceeding according to His Plans, and I really love Common Sense, but that it will prevail among the human race is a dynamic that has never existed for any significant length of time in human history. I'll believe that's actually in tangible play when I see a minimum of 10% of adult men becoming ungovernable.
 
Demographic change plus massive economic collapse?
Neither one nor even both will be sufficient, because currently our culture is overwhelming dominated by men who are entirely unprepared to assume true headship of their families much less prepared to assume true leadership in their local or larger communities.

What is required is for men to stand tall, swayable only by other standing-tall men whom they can count on to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them -- and this doesn't just entail being able to collectively head to the same remote location where land is cheap and forming the equivalent of a Prepper KOA, because if the men who do that can't count on unswaying respectful cooperation from their wives under comfortable conditions, it's folly to believe they will rapidly transform into fully submissive wives just because a SHTF event occurs. The first step in individual cases, therefore, is unfortunately going to have to be men jettisoning any desire to acquire approval from the women in their lives. Feminism has infected almost everyone, and what I observe is that the most unprepared-to-be-part-of-the-solution men (even amongst so-called patriarchy-promoting organizations like this one -- but most certainly amongst the general culture) are those men who fail to fully analyze just how dominated they may be by fear of losing their women.

Curtis A. articulated this very well a couple years ago at the Branson retreat: most men are guilty not of adoring or cherishing their wives, but of idolizing them to the point of fearing either their departure or the stigma they might receive from others for not keeping their marriages together. But when a man fears this, any woman this side of the mother of our Lord will most assuredly step into that breach and turn the man into a henpecked servant who mistakenly believes himself to be an alpha top dog -- a self-acknowledged beta male is not only more self-aware than this but more likely to be useful during chaotic conditions. No society can right itself when this level of spineless cluelessness is demonstrated, as it is right now, by the vast majority of men. It is a female's nature to turn herself into the center of the universe, but it remains the responsibility of males to prevent her from being successful in such an endeavor.

The buck stops with us, and, generally speaking, we're not doing anything about that. What is required is for men to stop devising strategies that rely on waiting around for the world to change or for women to get a clue.


 
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Neither one or nor even both will be sufficient, because currently our culture is overwhelming dominated by men who are entirely unprepared to assume true headship of their families much less prepared to assume true leadership in their local or larger communities.

What is required is for men to stand tall, swayable only by other standing-tall men whom they can count on to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them -- and this doesn't just entail being able to collectively head to the same remote location where land is cheap and forming the equivalent of a Prepper KOA, because if the men who do that can't count on unswaying respectful cooperation from their wives under comfortable conditions, it's folly to believe they will rapidly transform into fully submissive wives just because a SHTF event occurs. The first step in individual cases, therefore, is unfortunately going to have to be men jettisoning any desire to acquire approval from the women in their lives. Feminism has infected almost everyone, and what I observe is that the most unprepared-to-be-part-of-the-solution men (even amongst so-called patriarchy-promoting organizations like this one -- but most certainly amongst the general culture) are those men who fail to fully analyze just how dominated they may be by fear of losing their women.

Curtis A. articulated this very well a couple years ago at the Branson retreat: most men are guilty not of adoring or cherishing their wives, but of idolizing them to the point of fearing either their departure or the stigma they might receive from others for not keeping their marriages together. But when a man fears this, any woman this side of the mother of our Lord will most assuredly step into that breach and turn the man into a henpecked servant who mistakenly believes himself to be an alpha top dog -- a self-acknowledged beta male is not only more self-aware than this but more likely to be useful during chaotic conditions. No society can right itself when this level of spineless cluelessness is demonstrated, as it is right now, by the vast majority of men. It is a female's nature to turn herself into the center of the universe, but it remains the responsibility of males to prevent her from being successful in such an endeavor.

The buck stops with us, and, generally speaking, we're not doing anything about that. What is required is for men to stop devising strategies that rely on waiting around for the world to change or for women to get a clue.


That was an excellent response Keith! Well said.

We men need to fear our Master Jesus Christ far more than we fear any man or woman (especially our own woman).
 
Israel requires their women to serve in military as well. Ukrainian government required women will medical training to be available for draft is some how is evil. What are you supposed to do when terrorist nation keeps invading. Ukraine still keeps women out of front lines, unless they volunteered to serve on front lines. Please check your facts before you write outlandish claims ("Ukraine wants their women to die"). I am yet to hear criticism of Pyutin and Russia from those who criticize Ukrainian government. Some of your continuous whitewashing of reincarnate Hitler (aka Pyutin) stinks to high heaven. I am extremely disappointed in many of you. It seems that half or third of Republican party (and it supposed to be the most conservative part of the party) aligned themselves with Nick Fuentes and many of you listen to that branch of the party (Gaetz, Trump, trans Margaret Taylor Greene, and others). (my apologies for aiming my frustration at Americans, I know there is Croatia and New Zealand represented too). I will have to put through extra scrutiny many of things that some of you contribute on various topics because of your failure to discern victim and aggressor, and your failure to understand how war in Ukraine started. I wish I could trust you. Anybody diminishes Pyutin's culpability in his aggression is whitewashing reincarnate Hitler.

For example, @Keith Martin, your previous post with your articles were great. you mentioned that independent source of information should be looked at. I hope you did not mean Alex Jones and others who thrive and become popular on outlandish claims. Seeking truth from those who do not redact their claims and would not be liable to anybody, this may be chasing after new version of Gnosticism. Secret knowledge in any form is seductive. Perhaps that is why it was appealing temptation in the garden to "know good and evil" besides part about being "like God". I am addressing you because you posted in past some ridiculous assessments of war in Ukraine. I am sure you are great brother but please continue to follow the quote of Balthasar Hubmaier, I think you may want to re-evaluate your assessment of the war in Ukraine. You could start with watching "Winter on Fire" on youtube from Netflix and "Crimea. As it was" on youtube by



To answer the question in the thread. I think there will be increase in polygyny in Ukraine and in Russia. I am reaching out to Ukrainian pastors, Ukrainian teachers, and Ukrainian chaplains with the truth of polygyny (nobody is making attempt to convince me differently either because of recognizing their defeat or laziness or something else). I just hope increase in polygyny will be lead by believers in Yeshua so it would be exemplary. Crimea has a lot of Muslims, and in Russia. I see polygyny as great way to reach Muslims.

I am watching this great apologists that I respect who look ridiculous in criticizing Mohamadian polygyny while ignoring Christian support for polygyny. Great exercise for those who are interested. These Christians are using evolution and psychology to attack Mohamadian polygyny.

 
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You could start with watching "Winter on Fire" on youtube from Netflix and "Crimea. As it was"
Already have. Have you watched either of Oliver Stone's documentaries on what happened in Ukraine in 2014? Do you give no weight to the fact that the United States bears responsibility for provoking Russia by encouraging more and more European countries to join NATO in direct violation of our post-Soviet treaty promising not to have NATO encroach on Russia? Every president since the treaty but Trump has pushed NATO encroachment toward Russia, and our CIA with cooperation from the likes of Anthony Fauci even operated bioweapons labs in Ukraine near the Russian border. And as far as Crimea is concerned, why didn't Obama defend it against Russian takeover?: because he wouldn't have had an integritous, ethical or moral leg to stand on.

I continue to believe that thinking outflow of Ukrainian females will result in increased acceptance for polygyny among Christendom to be a fairy tale along the lines of wishing Isaiah 4 into existence. The predictable slaughter of 400,000 Ukrainian males will only further bolster the porn, sex-trafficking and organ-harvesting industries.
 
Israel requires their women to serve in military as well. Ukrainian government required women will medical training to be available for draft is some how is evil. What are you supposed to do when terrorist nation keeps invading. Ukraine still keeps women out of front lines, unless they volunteered to serve on front lines. Please check your facts before you write outlandish claims ("Ukraine wants their women to die"). I am yet to hear criticism of Pyutin and Russia from those who criticize Ukrainian government. Some of your continuous whitewashing of reincarnate Hitler (aka Pyutin) stinks to high heaven. I am extremely disappointed in many of you. It seems that half or third of Republican party (and it supposed to be the most conservative part of the party) aligned themselves with Nick Fuentes and many of you listen to that branch of the party (Gaetz, Trump, trans Margaret Taylor Greene, and others). (my apologies for aiming my frustration at Americans, I know there is Croatia and New Zealand represented too). I will have to put through extra scrutiny many of things that some of you contribute on various topics because of your failure to discern victim and aggressor, and your failure to understand how war in Ukraine started. I wish I could trust you. Anybody diminishes Pyutin's culpability in his aggression is whitewashing reincarnate Hitler.

For example, @Keith Martin, your previous post with your articles were great. you mentioned that independent source of information should be looked at. I hope you did not mean Alex Jones and others who thrive and become popular on outlandish claims. Seeking truth from those who do not redact their claims and would not be liable to anybody, this may be chasing after new version of Gnosticism. Secret knowledge in any form is seductive. Perhaps that is why it was appealing temptation in the garden to "know good and evil" besides part about being "like God". I am addressing you because you posted in past some ridiculous assessments of war in Ukraine. I am sure you are great brother but please continue to follow the quote of Balthasar Hubmaier, I think you may want to re-evaluate your assessment of the war in Ukraine. You could start with watching "Winter on Fire" on youtube from Netflix and "Crimea. As it was" on youtube by



To answer the question in the thread. I think there will be increase in polygyny in Ukraine and in Russia. I am reaching out to Ukrainian pastors, Ukrainian teachers, and Ukrainian chaplains with the truth of polygyny (nobody is making attempt to convince me differently either because of recognizing their defeat or laziness or something else). I just hope increase in polygyny will be lead by believers in Yeshua so it would be exemplary. Crimea has a lot of Muslims, and in Russia. I see polygyny as great way to reach Muslims.

I am watching this great apologists that I respect who look ridiculous in criticizing Mohamadian polygyny while ignoring Christian support for polygyny. Great exercise for those who are interested. These Christians are using evolution and psychology to attack Mohamadian polygyny.

Unless Americans start caring only about themselves and give zero f... given for rest of world, you like be tax farm for globalist.

Not mine people... Donbass is problem between Ukraine and Russia, not mine. Holy land is problem between Israel and Palestine, not mine.

Ciao.
 
I continue to believe that thinking outflow of Ukrainian females will result in increased acceptance for polygyny among Christendom to be a fairy tale along the lines of wishing Isaiah 4 into existence.
At a societal level you're right, but there will be individuals for whom this is a great blessing. @Transformator Reformator does not need to change society in order to do a lot of good in a ministry to individual women and families.

Also, although I concur with @Keith Martin regarding the history, that is irrelevant. If @Transformator Reformator is to be taken seriously in western Ukraine, he has to be anti-Russia. Say he's talking to a Ukrainian woman whose fiancee was killed in the war. She's going to hate Russia. He has to be able to relate to this sentiment or she simply won't trust him. That's how emotions work, they affect trust, like this:
I will have to put through extra scrutiny many of things that some of you contribute on various topics because of your failure to discern victim and aggressor, and your failure to understand how war in Ukraine started. I wish I could trust you.
I don't see any need to change @Transformator Reformator's mind, regardless of whether he's right or wrong, as he actually has exactly the right attitude for a person who is called to the ministry that he feels called to. In the same way, I support a missionary working with underage prostitutes in the Philippines, who is a staunch monogamist - and I don't try to change his views on that, as being a staunch monogamist is an added hedge for him against the extreme level of temptation encountered in such a line of work. There is a place in the Body for a range of views, and sometimes it truly takes differing opinions to be effective in different ministries.
 
Israel requires their women to serve in military as well. Ukrainian government required women will medical training to be available for draft is some how is evil. What are you supposed to do when terrorist nation keeps invading. Ukraine still keeps women out of front lines, unless they volunteered to serve on front lines. Please check your facts before you write outlandish claims ("Ukraine wants their women to die"). I am yet to hear criticism of Pyutin and Russia from those who criticize Ukrainian government. Some of your continuous whitewashing of reincarnate Hitler (aka Pyutin) stinks to high heaven. I am extremely disappointed in many of you. It seems that half or third of Republican party (and it supposed to be the most conservative part of the party) aligned themselves with Nick Fuentes and many of you listen to that branch of the party (Gaetz, Trump, trans Margaret Taylor Greene, and others). (my apologies for aiming my frustration at Americans, I know there is Croatia and New Zealand represented too). I will have to put through extra scrutiny many of things that some of you contribute on various topics because of your failure to discern victim and aggressor, and your failure to understand how war in Ukraine started. I wish I could trust you. Anybody diminishes Pyutin's culpability in his aggression is whitewashing reincarnate Hitler.

For example, @Keith Martin, your previous post with your articles were great. you mentioned that independent source of information should be looked at. I hope you did not mean Alex Jones and others who thrive and become popular on outlandish claims. Seeking truth from those who do not redact their claims and would not be liable to anybody, this may be chasing after new version of Gnosticism. Secret knowledge in any form is seductive. Perhaps that is why it was appealing temptation in the garden to "know good and evil" besides part about being "like God". I am addressing you because you posted in past some ridiculous assessments of war in Ukraine. I am sure you are great brother but please continue to follow the quote of Balthasar Hubmaier, I think you may want to re-evaluate your assessment of the war in Ukraine. You could start with watching "Winter on Fire" on youtube from Netflix and "Crimea. As it was" on youtube by



To answer the question in the thread. I think there will be increase in polygyny in Ukraine and in Russia. I am reaching out to Ukrainian pastors, Ukrainian teachers, and Ukrainian chaplains with the truth of polygyny (nobody is making attempt to convince me differently either because of recognizing their defeat or laziness or something else). I just hope increase in polygyny will be lead by believers in Yeshua so it would be exemplary. Crimea has a lot of Muslims, and in Russia. I see polygyny as great way to reach Muslims.

I am watching this great apologists that I respect who look ridiculous in criticizing Mohamadian polygyny while ignoring Christian support for polygyny. Great exercise for those who are interested. These Christians are using evolution and psychology to attack Mohamadian polygyny.

I realize you are a Ukrainian man, and as such you have a deep love for your people and nation. I think that is a proper and commendable sentiment. You see Russia invading your country, destroying your cities, and killing your innocent people.
You see Putin as deeply evil. That is reasonable.

I am an American. I love my people, and my country. I hate the fact that my people are being brought to utter ruin by the rulers of the globohomo empire. I see them as deeply evil. Their evil is of a different sort than Putin's or Hitler's, but the rot and ruin that they bring is unimaginable.

They have helped turn our cities into Sodom and Gomorrah. They are chopping off the genitals of children. They have promoted the slaughter of sixty million plus unborn children. They travel over land and sea to promote the evils of sodomy, pornography, covetousness, usury and feminism. They have put us into hopeless debt. They lie to us about everything. Most wickedly of all, the leaders of globohomo deny the absolute authority and Kingship of the Lord of Jesus Christ. They are stubble for the fire of the wrath of God.
 
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sometimes it truly takes differing opinions to be effective in different ministries
I'm sorry, but both missionary work and 'ministry' these days sound more and more to me like "mi virtue-signaling plan to look like a hero while I coerce others into seeing things my way."
 
I realize you are a Ukrainian man, and as such you have a deep love for your people and nation. I think that is a proper and commendable sentiment. You see Russia invading your country, destroying your cities, and killing your innocent people.
You see Putin as deeply evil. That is reasonable.

I am an American. I love my people, and my country. I hate the fact that my people are being brought to utter ruin by the rulers of the globohomo empire. I see them as deeply evil. Their evil is of a different sort than Putin's or Hitler's, but the rot and ruin that they bring is unimaginable.

They have helped turn our cities into Sodom and Gomorrah. They are chopping off the genitals of children. They have promoted the slaughter of sixty million plus unborn children. They travel over land and sea to promote the evils of sodomy, pornography, covetousness, usury and feminism. They have put us into hopeless debt. They lie to us about everything. Most wickedly of all, the leaders of globohomo deny the absolute authority and Kingship of the Lord of Jesus Christ. They are stubble for the fire of the wrath of God.
It's not entirely fair for me to blame this all on them. It would not be happening if those who profess Christ (including myself) were more faithful.

Still, I have to say that globohomo is profoundly evil, and more importantly Jesus Christ alone is Lord.
 
Do you give no weight to the fact that the United States bears responsibility for provoking Russia by encouraging more and more European countries to join NATO in direct violation of our post-Soviet treaty promising not to have NATO encroach on Russia?
No, because promises about expansion was made to collective countries, Soviet Union and Soviet Union seized to exist. 2nd no, Russia including Putin himself considered to join Nato way before Ukraine was considered, have Russia been successful in that pursuit should have Ukraine been justified to invade Russia because Ukraine was part of Soviet Union. 3rd no, after Soviet Union Nato's mission changed to be against terrorism not against Soviet Union. We know that Russia was running things in Soviet Union, but legally on paper it was union of several countries hence there was provision in Soviet Union that those countries have voice and follow self determination. Based on that many republics had legal right to vote for independence.
Have you watched either of Oliver Stone's documentaries on what happened in Ukraine in 2014?
Yes. I understand with presupposition that American government is evil I can see how one can fall for it. Confirmation bias is powerful thing. Also, in that movie Stone presents only one side view, if he have made good documentary who would insert opposing view claims. But secret knowledge sells better. Are not all his movies supposed to infer that master mind CIA is evil behind everything.
Already have.
I am glad that you did that (watched those movies already). Much respect for that.
our CIA with cooperation from the likes of Anthony Fauci even operated bioweapons labs in Ukraine near the Russian border.
Bioweapons? CIA and Anthony Fauci are in different organizations. And is this accepted fact in Western media or is it possible that this is Russian disinformation. I can accept biolabs but how does one prove intent of bioweapons. Just because Russian UN representative mentioned mosquitos that supposedly targets specifically Russian DNA then it makes it true. Is it not possible that Russia correctly measure temperature in the world and its sensitivity to Covid discussion and made up those lies to excuse their invasion and gullible people listening to Alex Jones type will eat it. Let me remind you that Russia's friends are N Korea, China, Iran, and Soviet Russia and Russia created Hamas. And after all these you will continue to believe that CIA is more sinister then Russia's leadership. USA are good guys. And there are a lot of good people working in CIA who are Christians, Mormons, and patriotic Americans. There are a lot of issues in USA but it is still the best country in the world. Sorry @FollowingHim it is not Hungary. Orban's love for Putin and his corruption will come back to bite him.
why didn't Obama defend it against Russian takeover?: because he wouldn't have had an integritous, ethical or moral leg to stand on.
Because Obama is coward and because he fell in love with his noble peace prize. Memorandum of 1994 says differently. But even apart from that Russia should have been punished swiftly because charter of United Nations which states, "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations." Is it not why Kuwait was protected? Evil not punished swiftly will result in bigger problems later. Hence WW3 is quite plausible. Consequence for cowardness and laziness can come soon. "Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil." - Ecclesiastes 8:11.
 
I do not know where this picture is from and how is related to polygyny in Ukraine and Russia. One does not need to be "globohomo" to know that Russia is wicked and needs to be stopped. Poland one of Ukraine's greatest allies has ban on abortions and same sex marriages and it assists Ukraine with aid and 15.4 million Ukrainian refugees passed through Polish Ukrainian border with 1.5 million residing in Poland.

globohomo is not Ukraine or Ukrainian people. It is shame on some Christians that "globohomo" has more compassion than some of these Christians.

@Bartato Did you make a mistake where you wanted to post this meme?
 
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They have helped turn our cities into Sodom and Gomorrah. They are chopping off the genitals of children. They have promoted the slaughter of sixty million plus unborn children. They travel over land and sea to promote the evils of sodomy, pornography, covetousness, usury and feminism. They have put us into hopeless debt. They lie to us about everything. Most wickedly of all, the leaders of globohomo deny the absolute authority and Kingship of the Lord of Jesus Christ. They are stubble for the fire of the wrath of God.
I feel your frustration too.
 
I'm sorry, but both missionary work and 'ministry' these days sound more and more to me like "mi virtue-signaling plan to look like a hero while I coerce others into seeing things my way."
Oh, they can certainly be that. But not all.
 
I do not know where this picture is from and how is related to polygyny in Ukraine and Russia. One does not need to be "globohomo" to know that Russia is wicked and needs to be stopped. Poland one of Ukraine's greatest allies has ban on abortions and same sex marriages and it assists Ukraine with aid and 15.4 million Ukrainian refugees passed through Polish Ukrainian border with 1.5 million residing in Poland.

globohomo is not Ukraine or Ukrainian people. It is shame on some Christians that "globohomo" has more compassion than some of these Christians.

@Bartato Did you make a mistake where you wanted to post this meme?
Ukraine and the Ukrainian people are not globohomo. They are unfortunately victims of a war for global domination between Putin (and BRICS nations) on the one hand and Globohomo (and NATO) on the other.

The guy in the dress is named Sam Brinton. Presiden Biden and the trash-world forces guiding him are so vile that they appointed this mentally unstable transgender man as the high ranking government official in charge of dealing with the nation's nuclear waste.

They seriously thought this guy was the best person in the country for the job.

Unfortunately for Mr Brinton, he was caught on security video stealing women's luggage from airport baggage claims (on multiple occasions), and he lost his position.

He is just a symptom of trash-world.
 
Neither one nor even both will be sufficient, because currently our culture is overwhelming dominated by men who are entirely unprepared to assume true headship of their families much less prepared to assume true leadership in their local or larger communities.

What is required is for men to stand tall, swayable only by other standing-tall men whom they can count on to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them -- and this doesn't just entail being able to collectively head to the same remote location where land is cheap and forming the equivalent of a Prepper KOA, because if the men who do that can't count on unswaying respectful cooperation from their wives under comfortable conditions, it's folly to believe they will rapidly transform into fully submissive wives just because a SHTF event occurs. The first step in individual cases, therefore, is unfortunately going to have to be men jettisoning any desire to acquire approval from the women in their lives. Feminism has infected almost everyone, and what I observe is that the most unprepared-to-be-part-of-the-solution men (even amongst so-called patriarchy-promoting organizations like this one -- but most certainly amongst the general culture) are those men who fail to fully analyze just how dominated they may be by fear of losing their women.

Curtis A. articulated this very well a couple years ago at the Branson retreat: most men are guilty not of adoring or cherishing their wives, but of idolizing them to the point of fearing either their departure or the stigma they might receive from others for not keeping their marriages together. But when a man fears this, any woman this side of the mother of our Lord will most assuredly step into that breach and turn the man into a henpecked servant who mistakenly believes himself to be an alpha top dog -- a self-acknowledged beta male is not only more self-aware than this but more likely to be useful during chaotic conditions. No society can right itself when this level of spineless cluelessness is demonstrated, as it is right now, by the vast majority of men. It is a female's nature to turn herself into the center of the universe, but it remains the responsibility of males to prevent her from being successful in such an endeavor.

The buck stops with us, and, generally speaking, we're not doing anything about that. What is required is for men to stop devising strategies that rely on waiting around for the world to change or for women to get a clue.


Couple things- most men who have played team sports understand the betamale role until it is their turn. However being an effective alpha is built upon doing time as the captain's "number 1".
 
Unless Americans start caring only about themselves and give zero f... given for rest of world, you like be tax farm for globalist.

Not mine people... Donbass is problem between Ukraine and Russia, not mine. Holy land is problem between Israel and Palestine, not mine.

Ciao.
You don't care so much that you have been pushing Kremlin narrative every chance you get. It seems that you do not have heart of flesh but heart of stone instead. And since @Keith Martin liked your comment then same thing can be said about him. Where did that callousness come from? How is it possible that lost people display more fruit of the Spirit than some so called Christians? I am befuddled.

How is it possible that self proclaimed Christian Candace Owens "F Ukraine" as its on receiving end of genocide, and self proclaimed Christian Margaret Taylor Green will be at rally of American Nazi sympathizers cheering for Putin and Russia. MAGA movement has rotten fruit. It seems we are witnessing history repeating itself again. But this time it is not in Italy with Mussolini but in USA. Will believers in righteous Yeshua rise to occasion to condemn evil.

I wish I could share someone else instead of Rachel Maddow, but Christians are too pragmatic right now so I did not come across anybody else that talks about fascism and Nazism in USA. Mormon Glenn Beck once was worried that love for Trump could result in fascism in USA, but pragmatism probably makes some people abandon their principles (I regret that I was on Trump wagon until March 2020 when I stopped believing that he could return to reclaim his presidency).





 

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