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Feminist Ideologies
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Then let me share again what is the gospel.
God created us and then we rebelled against our creator. Since he created us he has the rights over us as he is the Creator and we are the creation.
Yet God is perfect and holy. He knows no sin and when we rebelled against him it broke not only his law of order but it also broke his heart.
Thus, for God who is spirit to redeem us who are both material and spirit beings he had came to earth as a human to live up to perfection. As the God-Man he wrapped himself in human flesh so he could identify with the human race and be able to redeem that race of people. He lived and died to suffer for our wrong doings. He died to suffer so that we would not have to suffer. He took upon himself our error and paid the price for it so that he could then place his righteousness onto us in our account.
In his death he paid the price for us rebelling against him.
He now offers life to those who come to him, who is the God-Man Jesus Christ, and it can be had by trusting yourself and your life and destiny to him. Eternal life is offered to you through him.
Come and partake of him! When you believe on Christ as your Lord and confess your sin of rebellion to him the confusion that dominates your soul will incrementally begin to evaporate as you grow more in the light of the Lord. With every day your body and life deteriorates. You are going to die and leave this world one day. But if you believe in Christ you will not die or transfer out of the world of grace and into the world of justice and judgement but rather you will live in the full light and be with true and full life for eternity with the Lord.
blugrniz4u
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The current discussion has nothing to do with Adam.
My point (just in case you missed it) is that feminisim evolved due to narrow-minded, heavy-handed men who thought they had the God-given right to TELL a woman WHAT she can think, WHAT she can do, and TO WHOM she can speak with.
If these so-called men truly practiced what the bible teaches the feminist movement would never have taken off. No one has the right to use me as their personal punching bag because they can't man up and deal with life.
Deborah led the Israelite army into battle because a man would not follow God's directive. How's that for a woman's loyalty?????
What about Jael's tent peg striking abilities????
Really???? Ask any disobedient child or anyone who tried to walk on a floor their mom just cleaned
Hummmm now that is an odd way to say that.
Words have meanings and each word is important. The words can and should are two different words. Can is a word that is about ability. Should is a word dealing with morality or the issue of ought. So let me re-phrase it in this context.
Does Jesus as Lord over his body, or his family members, have the right and responsibility to tell his church/family under his headship what they should think, do, and to whom she as his body should relate with?
If so then how would that play into the issue of the Word of God where it says that a woman is to submit to her man as the church submits to Christ if Christ does indeed tell us what we should think/believe, do/act, and to whom we should relate and how to properly relate to them?
Do those two commands not run parallel, i.e. if we say a man over his family is not to do that does that then also not mean that Christ as the model should not do that to his family? And if we say that Christ does do that and a man is to be like Christ then does that not mean a man should do like Jesus does with his church/family?
blugrniz4u
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Don't be purposely obtuse.
God gave everyone FREE WILL.
The fact that women have the right to fair treatment really irritates some people.
God gave everyone FREE WILL.
The fact that women have the right to fair treatment really irritates some people.
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blugrniz4u said:
You're absolutely right !
I grew up in a very abusive home where I was the "punching bag", so I know a thing or two about this. No man (or anyone) has the right to physically abuse you. God didn't give Eve to Adam so he could beat her to a bloody pulp. There is a branch of the patriarchal movement that does teach it is okay to "discipline' your wife by hitting her (I recently spoke against this in the OP of the thread "Conduct Unbecoming"). The Bible never taught that it's okay to abuse women (or children, FTM). Husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loves the Church. Would Christ abuse His church...NO !
The only way for men and women to relate to one another the way God designed, is to study His Word and learn what his original purpose was. When people can start to see each other through God's eyes, abuse will become a non-issue.
Blessings,
Fairlight
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Thank you Fairlight for sharing your testimony.
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I have been pondering this statement and have come to wonder, Is this fact or assumption? I do not know and am not assuming to, but I wonder. I thought about when the modern feminist movement began and the first thing that came to mind was the movement to secure the right to vote for women. If I remember right the first state to incorporate women in the polling was Wyoming about 1911. In considering the beginning of the modern movement, I realized that 1911 was the first fruits of an effort that had long been laboring for that right. So where were the seeds for the suffrage movement? I suspect that they were coming into being as a result of the tremendous loss of men in the War of Northern Aggression (Civil War for the Yankee sympathizers
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As in any war situation, it is the women that are left behind to take care of home, community and industry while the men are off fighting and dying. They did well, because as we all know, women are capable of great achievement even outside their designated responsibilities if they have to. No shame to the women for picking up the pieces and making things work, rather they have been and should be lauded for their valiant efforts for home and country.
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Not long after Wyoming involved women in voting, another war, the war to end all wars erupted and further decimated the just starting to grow male population. Also, further thrusting women into the work place and away from hearth and home. Again, the women of America rose to the task and performed admirably. The cream at the top of the bottle of men was getting thinner again. A woman's selection of men of character and strength was seriously diluted over a 60-70 year period. Again, the men that were lost to the war were not easily replaced and those that did survived were another generation of physical and emotional cripples.
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In approximately 25 years, World War II erupted on the scene. Again, the men of America answered the call of duty. Also at this time there was a greater involvement of women in military service. While there had always been some in non-combatant roles, the numbers mushroomed for this war, so that now we have men and women in danger of loss of life. Someone has called the people of the WWII era, Americas greatest generation. I hope not, hoping that the greatest is yet to come. Yet, our men and women in uniform prevailed admirably. The loss of life was enormous. Again, after the war many did not return home and those who did, seldom spoke of the horrors they experienced. Now we have survivors that are crippled, physically and emotionally, men and women. The pool of available men who are men of character, courage, strength and morality, not to mention spirituality is again greatly diminished. During this war women flocked to the factories and businesses of America to take up the slack caused by the missing men and to support the war effort. Rosie the Riveter became a national icon and the darling of the growing feminist movement. Rosie never went back home.
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Since then we have added to our history, Korea, Viet Nam, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, while the loss of life in these conflicts, was not as great as the previous, they were equally devastating to those who were there and those families that were broken by them.
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My premise is that war has destroyed the moral fabric of our nation, by destroying the family structure designed by God. Our culture has neglected the Biblical Family designed by God and has tried to build again by a worldly pattern that exalts women to the place of leadership in the home and in the churches. Are men responsible for this? I think so, I do not see most Christian women aching to be in charge of the world. My observation is that most women that are honest with themselves, Christian or not, really desire a strong, honest, reliable man of character and integrity to follow, lean on and be secure with in the business of making a family. Such women may complain occasionally, have another or better idea how things could or should be done. They may even strain at the husband or father's leadership. That is the case however, because as a gender, they have had to pick up the pieces and run with them. This in not to say that women are ideally suited for leadership in the family and church. It just means that they can, if need be. According to the master designer (God), men are to be the leaders in both arenas. I have said for decades that the hardest job in the world is to be a Christian wife.
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Though it may be difficult for men and women to fulfill the designed roles in marriage, it is not impossible. There are distinct advantages to following the assembly instructions from the creator. One of them is you get the manual and you get 24/7/52 tech support from the designer Himself.
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Part of this is conjecture based on history and part is surely Biblical, but all of it is worthy of consideration. Thanks.
blugrniz4u
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Thank you Pastor John. You make an excellent point.
keith,Dr. K.R. Allen said:
you do not the right to make up your own definitions of words. in other words, you can not. you do not have permission to.
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you know very well that you do not teach "should".
the truth is that you teach that permission is given or not given (TO WHOM she can speak with) by the man for the protection of the woman.
The issue for believers is plainly and simply spelled out in Scripture.
Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the Church, and gave Himself for it. Whatever Christ would do, husbands should do. Whatever Christ would desire and expect of His bride, husbands should desire and expect of their brides.
Centuries of failure by multitudes of men does not make feminism acceptable for believers. It might explain feminism's hold on women, but it doesn't make it acceptable.
Katie
Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the Church, and gave Himself for it. Whatever Christ would do, husbands should do. Whatever Christ would desire and expect of His bride, husbands should desire and expect of their brides.
Centuries of failure by multitudes of men does not make feminism acceptable for believers. It might explain feminism's hold on women, but it doesn't make it acceptable.
Katie
i jst pstd on this in the othr thrd...is it not very simple? Jesus is head of his peple and the man is head of his fmly? if a head says 2 do something and there r no cmmnds frm the word saying it is wrong why would a wmn not obey? feminism is why one disobeys. i mean like if the head says go murder smnone then no not at all the bible says not 2 clearly. but if a head says do this or that and there is no law or plain bible vrs saying otherwise then the wmn is to obey. if the head says do this or do that or whtevr then obedience is what it means 2 be undr a head. if a wmn doesnt like this then do get married, jst sty single. it is not rght 2 alter the bible bc of not liking the head 1 is under. a wmn should get 2 knw the man first before joining him to see if he will be a good head. wht i said in the othr thrd was tht 2 many men tdy r a bunch of pansies...pups in mls bod who dont have the guts to lead and the ones with guts oftn dont knw how whn they try. Jesus can tell his bride what 2 do and so can the man if he is not some beat down flower boy ruined by femi-nazis. i mean its like so mny men tdy r like afraid to take cntrl of their wife or girlfriend or whatever. as i sad over in the othr thrd ive dated a man who was suppsed to be a dvt christian but he was really too weak 2 tell me how to lve 4 the the lord. this is wht femnism has dne to us tdy it has lft us with a bunch of scared little boys who cant lead us or wo knwlg in how 2 rightly control us by the word. we need men tdy who knw the word and will take chrge with the wrd and be heads not this pansy boys who go plnt some flwrs on the whim of the woman bc he is 2 scared to say no or to say what he expcts or wants of us. but this is what we r lft with due to femi-nazi brainwashing men 2 be little bys. and i say lke i said in a thrd on submission....lady if you r not smrt engh to pick a good head bc you did not tke the time 2 see if he was a good head then thats ur own fault. a head is a head and an intelligent wmn will pick a good strong head who lvs god and knws how to lead. if you cmpln after joining the head saying he is not able to lead u then u say a lot about ur own intelligence in choosing. did u choose well or did u not? 4 those single it points out 2 be careful and 2 pick good strng men instd of jumping the gun really fst jst to have a man. those who do that reap what they sow.
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sola scriptura said:
Absolutely true! I couldn't have said it better myself.
Blessings,
Fairlight
blugrniz4u
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Please don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Right now I am addressing the women on here, so men please don't get your boxers in a bunch.
Raise your hand if you believe women do not need more than a third grade education.
Raise your hand if you believe women need to have a male escort at all times in public.
Raise your hand if you believe women need to have a close male relative's consent to drive.
Raise your hand if you believe women should not vote.
Raise your hand if you believe women should be paid less money if doing the same job as a male.
How many of you women raised your hand to the above questions?? Then it stands to reason you like the results of feminisim. Hypocritical much????
As women we really should stop and use the brains our heavenly father gave us. Realize that in little less than a hundred years American women have changed the rules and roles that women have been living with for thousands of years. For thousands of years women had babies, ran the farm, and usually never travelled away from her home (cuz she was too busy being barefoot and pregnant).
Put flesh and blood on these thoughts.
Yes feminisim has gone to extremes. So has organized religion. There has to be a balance of both. I do not want to live my life as a second-class citizen just because I was born a woman. I also do not believe that a person has total freedom to do as they please when they live with another person. Strike a balance and find the compromise.
Suzanne
Right now I am addressing the women on here, so men please don't get your boxers in a bunch.
Raise your hand if you believe women do not need more than a third grade education.
Raise your hand if you believe women need to have a male escort at all times in public.
Raise your hand if you believe women need to have a close male relative's consent to drive.
Raise your hand if you believe women should not vote.
Raise your hand if you believe women should be paid less money if doing the same job as a male.
How many of you women raised your hand to the above questions?? Then it stands to reason you like the results of feminisim. Hypocritical much????
As women we really should stop and use the brains our heavenly father gave us. Realize that in little less than a hundred years American women have changed the rules and roles that women have been living with for thousands of years. For thousands of years women had babies, ran the farm, and usually never travelled away from her home (cuz she was too busy being barefoot and pregnant).
Put flesh and blood on these thoughts.
Yes feminisim has gone to extremes. So has organized religion. There has to be a balance of both. I do not want to live my life as a second-class citizen just because I was born a woman. I also do not believe that a person has total freedom to do as they please when they live with another person. Strike a balance and find the compromise.
Suzanne
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blugrniz4u said:
God values women greatly and He wants us to reach our full potential "IN HIM". We didn't need a worldly non Christian solution to what was essentially a spiritual problem....and I don't recall a single example of Jesus encouraging us to go to a secular society to seek a remedy to any spiritual issue. If men aren't treating women with the love and respect they deserve, then they aren't viewing women through God's eyes. This is a condition of the heart that only God can address and heal....not Gloria Steinem & Co.
Blessings,
Fairlight
in my view we if we r under a man we need to do that which he calls us to. if my head wants me to get more education then i should. if he says my current level is good enuff then that should be sufficient. if a woman's head whom she has voluntarily placed herself under says he wants someone to walk with her then ask why? is it a bad place in the city with a lot of violence? if so obey him and go where he would like or go with him or have someone with you. if a wmn's head says she should vote the way he does she should vote with him. Why split up a vote anyway? two people who vote differently cancel out each other's vote. if the head says vote for cand abc then why would a submissive wmn not vote the way he says to vote? sure it would be talked over on the pluses and minuses but in the end if the head says do this and vote this way a godly woman will vote that way. the right to vote is about legal issues. im talking here abt spiritual headship issues. if my head were to tell me not to vote in a certain election then if that is his final decision then i should obey my head. afterall i chose him to be my head so if i chose well i should be able to trust him and his leadership enough. if he is wrong is not god big enough to fix his error without me being disobedient? god is powerful and big enough to convict my head's heart i think. he can change my head if my head needs changing. i can express my opinion and would do so but in the end the head is the head if the bible means what it says i think. how disrespectful i think it would be to say my head you are not smart enough to lead us as a family in who to vote for or if we vote at all or whatever. disrespect to a head is not worth a vote. i support legally a woman's right to vote. im glad we get to vote. but if she is under a head of a father or husband then she needs to follow that heads lead in the way that right is exercised.
blugrniz4u
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You have made my point exactly, Melody... If it were not for feminists and their demands to be given the same rights as men, you would have NO OTHER CHOICE than to obey the commands of your father (until you got married) then your husband.
As it is NOW, you and every woman over the age of 18 has the CHOICE of how you want to live your life.
Also known as FREE WILL.
As it is NOW, you and every woman over the age of 18 has the CHOICE of how you want to live your life.
Also known as FREE WILL.
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Isabella said:
I'm raising my hand on both of these, Isabella!
A woman does have the inherent right to protect herself and her children from abuse.But my foundational opinion hasn't changed. I am a Christian and I believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. I; therefore, base my beliefs on what that Book teaches. I will accept secular truths (lower case "t") only if they do not contradict what is taught in the Bible. The Bible doesn't condone the abuse of women and children; if anything it teaches against it. My point is that we didn't need a secular solution to address a spiritual problem. A God honoring way should of been found instead....to quote Pastor John Whitten, "You can't do the Lord's work with the devil's tools".
Blessings,
Fairlight
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