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Meat Limits of Christian rules

steve said:
I’ll take your word for it, but he does hide it well.
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Lol, well then maybe you and Homesteadwife could start a business together measuring men's masculinity via the internet, since you both seem to be experts on the subject. She could do all of the legwork, like a good woman, and you could do the voting and make the money 🤑
 
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FeministVampireQueen said:
That is not what you did at all, and you know it. I'm not going to play games with you or watch you repeatedly twist words like you have this entire thread. I don't know what they're feeding you on that homestead that's gotten you so worked up but I'm not engaging with it anymore.
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In this discussion we are discussing the bible and its application to the way we live our lives. Telling someone their viewpoints align with feminist or Luciferian, ideology and choosing to white knight women over biblical truth is not demasculating someone. When I first engaged it was because a sensationalized story was brought into the conversation. Someone giving credence to a woman divorcing her husband for non biblical reasons is contributing to feminism. Note that I did say she could have left her husband at any time, there are just consequences to it. I was arguing against her RIGHT to a divorce biblically.
FeministVampireQueen said:
Not sure what you mean by "agreeing with men." Men aren't a collective, single-brained unit. There are plenty of men who don't think like the majority here, thank the Lord for that.
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You said that I was parroting what men had taught me. I never collectivized it to all men.
FeministVampireQueen said:
You have every right to your own opinions, my comment wasn't about stripping away your "agency." Women absolutely get to disagree with feminist ideologies, I do so myself at times. Agreeing with someone doesn't make you a parrot in itself, however, weaponizing "femininity" as an insult undermines the very standards you claim to defend.
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Again, saying someone is aligned with an ideology is not demasculating. And upholding the biblical heierchy and role of biblical submission in it and defining out what that means is not demeaning anyone. I do believe that someone who is egalitarian. Is abdicating his biblical role of head of the family to her.

FeministVampireQueen said:
You're so busy calling a man "feminine" that you've apparently forgotten what the word actually means yourself, because there is nothing feminine about the way you're acting.
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I have called nobody feminine. Defending the inversion of biblical order is why society is on its current path.
 
MeganC said:
Which biblical order are you upholding? I say this because there are so many different versions of the Bible, some include books that others do not, some include edits that others do not, and etc.

Upholding one version of the Bible is to rebel against all of the others.

It falls to each of us to be in The Word and to determine for ourselves what is of God and what is of men.

We are each given various gifts and one of those is discernment. Just for myself, I've sorted the various laws in the Bible and determined that the ones that God ordained are timeless. The ones that men ordained fall away in due time.
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The only biblical order I have been arguing for is God > Christ > Men > Women > Children. I am promoting no particular bible version or church by this.
Note that Church is not included in that hierarchy of order.
MeganC said:
Case in point: The popular Christian "rule" against polygamy.

Lots of Christians call this a Biblical stance when there is no such thing in any Bible that I've ever seen. This is a construct of their fevered imaginations and their absurd and rigid orthodoxies.

The ban against polygamy is no more than a tradition.
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I agree.
MeganC said:
Discernment and my own personal experiences inform me that this tradition was a creation of men. I say that with all certainty because having lived this life I know the truth of it. It is truly God's design and this tree bears delicious fruit.

Living a Godly life gives us a lens through which we can clearly see God's Wisdom. That which adds to the Glory of God we should keep and that which has no constructive purpose we should eschew.

But to blindly follow something that has no constructive purpose?

Thomas Sowell, a wise man of our times, said this:

"You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing."

The church is polluted with this kind of bureaucratic thinking. The outcome of their ministry means nothing, the form of it means everything.
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I understand and respect your position on this even if I don't always agree on your application of it. I do agree that pretty much any church (gathering of men) tends to add to Gods actual laws and rules for their own benefit or ego. That is part of fallen human nature, deciding you know more and can make rules better then God. This is part of the lack of submission (of men to God) I was addressing in prior posts.
MeganC said:
Evidence of this is found in the trend of the past decade or so for all church staff to assume titles that bring glory to themselves and distraction from the authority of God and the love of His Son.

I laugh my ass off at the vainglorious FOOLS who call themselves a "Lead Pastor" when there's no other pastor in their church.

What happened to humility in the service of God? :rolleyes:

A quick search on the web just now came up with this list of fancy names for our Grand And Imperial Ministers:
  • Lead Pastor/Senior Pastor/Head Pastor
  • Associate Pastor
  • Executive Pastor
  • Senior Executive Pastor
  • Associate Executive Pastor
  • Senior Associate Pastor
  • Executive Pastor
  • Lead Youth Pastor/Senior Youth Pastor/Youth Pastor
  • Junior High Youth Pastor
  • Senior High Youth Pastor
  • School Age Pastor
  • Senior Adult Pastor
  • Lead Senior Adult Pastor
  • Connections Pastor
  • Discipleship Pastor
  • Evangelism Pastor
  • Outreach Pastor
  • Assimilation or Connection Pastor
  • Pastor of Engagement
  • Music Pastor
  • Worship Pastor
  • Worship and Creative Arts Pastor
  • College Pastor
  • Career Pastor
  • College and Career Pastor
  • Young Adults Pastor
  • Adults Pastor
  • Singles Pastor
  • Young Marrieds Pastor
  • Pastor of Construction
  • Day Care Pastor
  • Women’s Pastor
  • Men’s Pastor
  • Counseling Pastor
  • Children’s Pastor
  • Administrative Pastor
  • Building Services Pastor
  • Christian School Pastor
  • Foreign Ministries Pastor
  • Pre-School Pastor
  • Recreational Pastor
  • Sports Ministry Pastor
  • Technologies Pastor
  • Multi-Media Pastor
  • Volunteer’s Pastor

Such a focus on titles!!! :oops:

What did Jesus have to say about this nonsense? See Matthew 23:8-10

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all students. And call no one your father on earth, for you have one Father—the one in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Messiah.

I not only rebel against these people who glorify themselves with their titles, I hold them in contempt for leading people away from God to focus on earthly titles and earthly desires.
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I agree.
MeganC said:
Questioning religious orthodoxy and seeking God's Wisdom is literally the very essence of this group here on BF!

If biblical order be the priority then adhere to what unscrupulous and double-dealing wolves in pastoral robes claim is biblical.

Myself, I prefer God's truth and I prefer the pursuit of truth over the cold comfort of lies.

That said, @MemeFan and @FeministVampireQueen may be just as imperfect in their pursuit of truth as I am, but at least they are trying and at least they are actively seeking truth.
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Seeking truth from God is definitely the priority. And questioning it, particularly coming from churches is wise and prudent.

The only reason I engaged is because questioning the biblical order I described above came into play.

The start of this entire thread was created about questioning Gods rules and laws. My main point when it comes to submission to God is that we as believers don't need to know WHY God commands something to obey it. It is nice to have explanation and can help us to value it in a different way but it is not required to obey in the first place.

For example:
God forbade Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He gave them a reason why they weren't supposed to. They still chose to disobey.

He commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. No why was given. They obeyed him.
 
FeministVampireQueen said:
They didn't have to ask why, though, because God literally gave them the reason and purpose right after the command, lol.
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God gave them reason and purpose for their lives right after that command. Telling them to have dominion over the earth and subdue it doesn't explain why they have to be fruitful and multiply.
 
HomesteadWife said:
God gave them reason and purpose for their lives right after that command. Telling them to have dominion over the earth and subdue it doesn't explain why they have to be fruitful and multiply.
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Yes it does, lol, how are you going to have dominion over the earth and subdue it if you're not fruitful and multiplied? Are two people supposed to manage that.
 
FeministVampireQueen said:
Yes it does, lol, how are you going to have dominion over the earth and subdue it if you're not fruitful and multiplied? Are two people supposed to manage that.
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This command was given pre-fall. Man had a very different relationship with the earth and animals then. So there was no reason two people couldn't have managed it. No children were born pre fall so obviously they managed it fine.
 
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