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Name-calling is Biblical
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Other than Johan bringing up Calvinism, how did Calvinism get brought up?
Ya know, there are ladies on this site. So, I can’t say what I’m thinking. Plus, Gods really been talking to me about when I slip from time to time. At the moment, I can’t think of any exhortation that could be said. But I truly have one question that I would love to ask, and I know I won’t get an answer.
Why are you on here?
Ya know, there are ladies on this site. So, I can’t say what I’m thinking. Plus, Gods really been talking to me about when I slip from time to time. At the moment, I can’t think of any exhortation that could be said. But I truly have one question that I would love to ask, and I know I won’t get an answer.
Why are you on here?
What is right and good approach and method is not depending, and neither based, on how many converts I have and get. My approach and method I find as scriptural.
Just because I have no converts that does not mean that my approaches and methods are wrong and sinful and neither does it mean that The Gospel I preach is wrong and heretical. What I see is a rebellious generation and that's the reason why many people has not come to the knowledge of the truth.
I can talk with a person by normally talking between four eyes, but it is the preaching that should make differences and changes. I do get a lot of attention by preaching, but mostly people leave after a time due to differences in doctrines and lifestyle. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Mostly people who hear the message are calling ''the police'' and ''the police'' are talking about that people are getting disturbed, hurt and offended by the message and do not want to hear the message of Jesus Christ.
Mostly ''the police'' says that it is not allowed to yell, that I am too loud and that people are getting disturbed and therefore I am, according to them, committing a crime called ''disturbance of the public peace'' and also calling my religion and my faith as ''hate speech''.
If rights and freedoms would have been established and recognized in Europe then hopefully and possibly I would have reached out more to people who are lost, deceived, confused and unsaved. In Europe rights and freedoms has often been violated and removed even though they claim freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
I mean, being a street preacher I get offended by what people believe and how they are living their lives.
If the ''authority'' listening more to people who gets offended to hear the message of Jesus Christ than listening on me and my faith and religion, then that is discrimination. I do preach, which means I shout, cry aloud and yell about the message of Jesus Christ to get attention and to get people to be involved in a conversation that truly matters, a conversation about what is right or wrong, what is good or evil, what is light or darkness, what is righteous or unrighteous, what is Godly or ungodly, what is holy or unholy and what is moral or immoral etc.
I do tell people what Jesus Christ has done through his life, death and resurrection in my view according to the scripture, not according to Calvinism and neither according to Lutheranism etc.
I am confronting sinners and unbelievers according to the scripture, and commanding and calling them to choose repentance toward God and faith toward Jesus Christ, to do works meet for repentance and to be zealous of good works. The truth is not relative for me. The truth is absolute.
"Your understanding of scripture is false according to my understanding of scripture, therefore you are lost."
I think... you might give some consideration to what it means to
"judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God."
As enlightened as you clearly are, even you probably have blind spots in your understanding that it might be advisable to rein in your certainty about other people's salvation about.
Remember
"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
I could honestly not care less what your individual doctrine is or how orthodox your understanding of soteriology is. I cannot know whether or not you are a disciple of Jesus until I observe your love. You can type up the apostle's creed and sign your name to it, but anybody can believe and defend a doctrine. Can you love?
"However, the wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, then peace-loving, gentle, willing to yield, full of compassion and good deeds, and without a trace of partiality or hypocrisy."
You got any of that? Do you think you could evidence it in writing? It appears as though you would not be gentle. You would rather argue why it's ok to be harsh. You would not be loving, you would argue that grilling everyone who tries to talk to you with the socratic method is in fact the same thing as agape love.
Which, if I can can call it out, is crap. By this ALL MEN know you are My disciples. If you have to explain how your love is love so that people can understand it, it isn't love: It's just a clever argument.
And not terribly clever at that, because most people won't be fooled by that.
What is the point of preaching? To save the lost. To cause people to repent from their sins.
You recognise that your preaching is not achieving that. Therefore you need to reconsider your methods, or give up and find something else to do with your time.
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It is my opinion that you are doing exactly the opposite of what you think you are doing. You need a covering, a mentor, a local pastor, something to help you. I will join the crowd and have no further comments.
Calvinism was brought up because Pacman brought up about a Calvinist which he wanted me to follow and learn from. Ray Comfort is a Calvinist. I am not a Calvinist. I do not see Calvinists as Christians.
I see no problems with bringing up Calvinism as there are a lot of people today who stand for and behind Calvinism. Lutherans and Arminians have many Calvinistic doctrines as well. If these heresies and false doctrines - made by Calvinists, Arminians and Lutherans - would be untaught I would have been pleased, happy and satisfied. I see Lutheranism, Calvinism and Arminianism as heresies and blasphemy. I have answered why I am here, but my words are not always shown and welcome here due to my posts being put on post-approval and because mostly those who are deciding and determinng what can be seen and said here are socially correct and socially inclined, according to my view.
I am honest with my observations.
If I would have had a complete free will to post what I want without problems with those who are moderators and without my posts being put on post-approval, I would not have a problem with being more judgmental, negative and name-calling even though there are ladies on here.
Real Christianity is confrontative, judgmental, loving, kindness, benevolent, caring, thoughtful, hateful, negative and disrespectful according to how I read the scripture and understand the scripture. This is according to my and my vie of Christianity. This I believe without any doubts.
I do believe I am correct about this in the light of the scripture. I do believe we are all hateful in one way or more ways. I see judgments, hatred, love, kindness, benevolence and name-calling etc. as parts of true Christianity, parts of being a true Christian.
The Apostles judged. Jesus Christ judged. The Prophets judged.
I perfectly know and understand that there are ladies here. I truly believe it is healthy for them to read and accept what I am saying about them and to them. Now I am on post-approval due to people having a problem with me telling that they are in need of repentance toward God and faith toward Jesus Christ due to their doctrines and lifestyles. The reason why I am here is to solve issues, to show benevolence, hatred and kindness etc.
We are all judgmental in one way or another, so you are alright with judgments about me, so I hope there be no problems if I judge you. I hope to see fruitful conversations, but sadly there are many people here who are speaking negative about me. I love you by my ''hate speech''. Sounds strange and weird for you possibly, but not for me. You may not understand what I mean with this, but it is true that I love you through hating you if you are one of mine enemies. King David hated his enemies with a perfect hatred, and for him it was not a sin to hate and neither to name call people after their sins and unrighteousness.
If I would love you personally I would still prove and show you benevolent and moral love, but if you are saying anything about me which is negative I take that as offensive speech and I do get hurt and offended if you are saying and doing anything against me that I do not agree with you about.
I hope you recognize and understand that these words of yours were very judgmental and negative comments about me. You want me to join hypocrisy? People who have no zeal in laying down their lives for one another and neither having zeal in having all things common with another? Selfishness? Worldliness? Carnality?
Always sad when people are judging me negatively, but you seem to have no problems with people speaking down and negatively about me. You are yourself speaking negatively about me because you do not agree with me.
I am not a Calvinist. I am not a Pentecostal. I am not a Baptist. I am not an Arminian. I am not a Pelagian.
I am not a Jehovah's Witness. I am not a Mormon. I am not an Evangelical. I am not a Charismatic.
I am commanded to be separated from false churches, i.e. the unfruitful works of darkness.
The same goes for you.
This I base on the fact that The Apostle Paul wrote about this in Ephesians 5:11 and 2 Corinthians 6:14-18.
What you want me to be is to be socially correct and socially inclined? If people do not accept and neither appreciate my message, then I need to come down on their level and become like them?
I see yourself in need of separating yourself from false churches and not being involved in hypocrisy and idolatry.
Do you feel happy if I talk negatively about you? How do you believe that I feel about your negative words about me? You believe I have no feelings? You actually believe that you care about me when you speak down and negative about me?
I have already people I am working together with. We are all confrontative Street Preachers in Europe and having no problems with confrontational Evangelism the way we are confronting sinners and unbelievers.
It would though be good and better if more people would understand and know confrontational Street Preaching in the light of the scripture, the way Jesus Christ, The Apostles and The Prophets confronted, rebuked, judged, reproved and corrected sinners and unbelievers.
Jesus Christ did not only judge The Pharisees, The scribes and The Sadducees, but as well his own disciples.
"Your understanding of scripture is false according to my understanding of scripture, therefore you are lost."
I think... you might give some consideration to what it means to
"judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God."
As enlightened as you clearly are, even you probably have blind spots in your understanding that it might be advisable to rein in your certainty about other people's salvation about.
Remember
"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
I could honestly not care less what your individual doctrine is or how orthodox your understanding of soteriology is. I cannot know whether or not you are a disciple of Jesus until I observe your love. You can type up the apostle's creed and sign your name to it, but anybody can believe and defend a doctrine. Can you love?
"However, the wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, then peace-loving, gentle, willing to yield, full of compassion and good deeds, and without a trace of partiality or hypocrisy."
You got any of that? Do you think you could evidence it in writing? It appears as though you would not be gentle. You would rather argue why it's ok to be harsh. You would not be loving, you would argue that grilling everyone who tries to talk to you with the socratic method is in fact the same thing as agape love.
Which, if I can can call it out, is crap. By this ALL MEN know you are My disciples. If you have to explain how your love is love so that people can understand it, it isn't love: It's just a clever argument.
And not terribly clever at that, because most people won't be fooled by that.
If you call my explanations love or hate, that is up to you as you have a free will. I want you to make righteous judgments in the light of the scripture instead of making comments based on immoral feelings.
You obviously care about what I am saying as you have written to me and asked me questions.
Of course I can love. I show and prove you now what I call as benevolent and moral by showing you how I view soteriology and love according to the scripture. I do not see myself as a hypocrite.
The problem comes when people are to define words, how to view words like ''love'', ''gentle'', ''kind'', ''compassion'' and ''good deeds'' etc.
Jesus Christ was very kind and gentle for example when he used a scourge out of small cords which he drove out sinners and unbelievers who sold oxen, sheep and doves and the changers of money.
Was this ''love'', ''gentle'', ''compassion'' and ''kindness'' according to you? Well, if it would have been done in these times it would have been considered, in many people's eyes, as hatred, disrespectful and intolerance.
Many people come to a different view of these words. Sadly.
Soteriology is important. Wrong view of soteriology makes a person lost, deceived, cursed and unsaved.
You agree or disagree?
What I say is because there are a lot of people nowadays who believes that they do not need to love perfectly in order to be the children of God, born again, born of the Spirit, saved by grace through faith and to be born of God etc.
I teach perfect love according to the scripture. Perfect love is what saves. I teach that there is no salvation in sin and unrighteousness, but salvation is found in moral perfection. Moral perfection you reach when yu have repented from all sin and from all unrighteousness, and as long as you abstain from sin.
You abstain from sin by having the fear of THE LORD and the love of THE LORD in your life.
What do you want to say with 1 Corinthians 13:2?
Here is the whole chapter in 1 Corinthians 13:
1 Corinthians 13:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
There are many texts and contexts in which The Prophets, Jesus Christ and The Apostles name-called, judged, rebuked, exposed and reproved sinners and unbelievers for their sins.
Can you recognize and see this inside the scripture?
Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall.
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I will let ray speak for himself...
Ya know, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone set themselves up for ridicule and being slammed more than you. You’re amazing.
I noticed you said you’re being honest with your observations. Honest, yes. Correct, not so much. I love your tenacity. It’s your delivery and doctrine that I have issue with.
Unfortunately, you believe you are absolutely correct. Many of the men here have kindly shown you scriptures of your errancy but you have rejected their, for the most part, loving corrections.
I have gone behind preachers who corrected without love and I found it very hard to talk to these people about God’s love. But since you say showing hatred is love, you will have trouble with the previous sentence. The thing I find fascinating is the oxymorons within your writings and the way you minister. Lucky for me, I don’t have to follow up and minister to anyone after you got there first.
I noticed you said you’re being honest with your observations. Honest, yes. Correct, not so much. I love your tenacity. It’s your delivery and doctrine that I have issue with.
Unfortunately, you believe you are absolutely correct. Many of the men here have kindly shown you scriptures of your errancy but you have rejected their, for the most part, loving corrections.
I have gone behind preachers who corrected without love and I found it very hard to talk to these people about God’s love. But since you say showing hatred is love, you will have trouble with the previous sentence. The thing I find fascinating is the oxymorons within your writings and the way you minister. Lucky for me, I don’t have to follow up and minister to anyone after you got there first.
Not always people accept The Gospel according to the scripture.
I do recognize, understand, know and see that we are living in a time with a lot of people in rebellion, pride, hatred, unkindness, lies and disobedience etc. and this is why they refuse to obey the truth but continue in sin and unrighteousness.
Not even in Jesus Christ's time people always accepted what Jesus Christ said.
Jesus Christ even got crucified for his ''false'' and ''heretical'' message.
In these times it is really hard to reach people based on their various and strange doctrines and hypocritical lifestyles. It is almost always something people having a problem ith concerning doctrines and lifestyle.
It takes a long time for many people to understand and know the doctrine of Jesus Christ according to Godliness.
Many people will never come to the knowledge of the truth due to listening to false teachers and influences who are telling them to keep themselves away from judgmental, ''unloving'', ''unkind'', hateful and confrontational Street Preachers in order for their ''church'' to grow in numbers and keep on deceiving the next generation.
It has been like this for a long time.
It is nothing wrong with the message I am preaching and nothing wrong with the approach I am using, just takes a longer time before people come the knowledge of the truth.
In many cases they never come to the knowledge of the truth but die in their sins and unrighteousness.
Many people who has been trained and taught to be socially correct and socially inclined.
I have been socially correct and socially inclined as well, in my past, but I have studied and read the scripture and how The Prophets, how Jesus Christ and how The Apostles confronted and approached sinners and unbelievers.
My view of how to love and how to be kind has changed a lot since a left The Salvation Army in Sweden.
Now I am completely different than before. I do not claim to know everything, but I do know what I need to know about soteriology, kindness, meekness, and love according to the scripture.
Apparently Ray is not Calvinist.
Sometimes you’re a pain in the butt, this post? Not so bad.
I am doing what I can with what I have.
I am doing what I can to convince and persuade you to believe as me, to live as me and to work and cooperate with me. A true Christian and Believing man wants to persuade and convince his enemies to turn to God and flee from the devil.
I know there are a lot of ''preachers'' and ''teachers'' with no care and with no love, because of the doctrines that they stand for and behind and because of how they live their lives.
Just because harsh language is used by someone that does not mean that this person is uncaring, unloving and hateful. It depends completely on hat doctrines and lifestyle this person have.
Yes, I am aware that my words can hurt you and anyone else for a time, and if it hurts and offends it is for your own healing and salvation. Hopefully what I say leads someone to conversion as soon as possible or later on.
It is not always leading to direct conversion because many people has been and are trained and taught different doctrines and living different lives and when being confronted for their doctrines and lifestyles they get defensive and avoiding confrontations.
Many people who are not willing to solve problems, but rather wants problems to be unsolved and the problems do not come to an end. I am doing hat I can to solve issues in this world instead of causing problems.
My intention is to save souls. I know it takes a long time for people to accept that they are wrong, it took me a long time before I came to realize that The Salvation Army was a wrong way to go.
I was brought up in The Salvation Army due to my parents being involved inside of The Salvation Army in Sweden.
Inside my first marriage I started to change doctrines and lifestyle, but was not saved throughout my whole first marriage. Under this time I had not yet complete knowledge and understanding about Biblical family and Godly marriage.
I see no problems with my delivery and neither do I see problems with my doctrines. I know there are some issues between us, and I believe issues can be solved if both are using common sense and our conscience.
I can send you scriptures which proves my enemies are wrong about me. Just because there are people saying about me that I teach false doctrines does not mean that I am teaching false doctrines as truths.
You also have a tenacy. You believe you are right about me, about my doctrines and about my lifestyle. I mean you are wrong about me. We are all in one way or another showing and proving tenacy.
You believe you are right about what you stand for and behind, right? Do you consider your lifestyle in accordance with the will of God? Is there anything in your lifestyle that you need to change in order to have the mind of Christ and in order to walk as Jesus Christ walked?
I have not seen one scripture that people has used so far coming against what I am saying and doing. Mostly people are using texts out of contexts in order to ''prove'' their doctrines and lifestyle to be right.
The scripture is clear about that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God, and I want people to recognize this when talking about salvation, righteousness, the kingdom of God and eternal life etc.
Without love people are nothing. I am teaching about perfect love which also the scripture teaches that we need to have in order to abide in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the true vine and we need to abide in him by walking as he walked according to moral choices. The one who does not abide in him is a person who practice and commit sin.