Poly Practised Elsewhere

[frederick]

Thank God you and wife both were given sufficient grace to weather a storm like that!

Thank you, brother! The storm however is still raging but we are standing much stronger for it all. The words of the Psalmist are most appropriate here:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; My heart trusted in Him, and I am helped; Therefore my heart greatly rejoices, And with my song I will praise Him. (Ps. 28:7)

 

[rockfox]

@Frank S you're a machine, no way I can keep up with all these. Keep up the good work.

You've had two links from Russia recently, it's good to see some poly news from outside Africa in places where there isn't a preexisting cultural innertia for it. It is interesting that Russian nationalists are supporting polygamy. Russia seems to be on the verge of a cultural renaissance.

Apparently, this resurgence in polygamy has tacit approval from the Kremlin. Now here's a bit of history you won't hear from the monogamists...

If he chose to, Putin could make a case that polygamy has a long tradition in Russia. Prince Vladimir of Kiev, who brought Orthodox Christianity to Russia in 988, had hundreds of concubines and was ‘insatiable in fornication’, according to the 12th-century Primary Chronicle. Polygamy was also legal under the Russian Empire. The practice was suppressed by the Bolsheviks in the name of women’s liberation.

Again and again we see, polygamy is patriarchal, strict monogamy is matriarchal.

 

[rockfox]

Prince Vladimir of Kiev, who brought Orthodox Christianity to Russia in 988, had hundreds of concubines

As another link in this thread pointed out, Charlemagne was also polygamist, and did a lot to bring Roman Christianity to Europe. As did the polygamous Celtic Christians.

If Christianity is so anti-polygamy, how come polygamists are repeatedly responsible for being big promoters/spreaders of it?

 

[Frank S]

The storm however is still raging but we are standing much stronger for it all.

And may God be thanked for that ("standing much stronger") too! At the appropriate time HE will speak, the storm will cease and there will be a great calm.
In the mean time, despite how things may appear in our eyes, it all works together for our good and His glory.
Gold is not properly refined unless the fire gets quite hot.

I appreciate the verse. Thanks

 

[Frank S]

no way I can keep up with all these

I'm guessing you are not the only one finding it a bit much to keep up with. I hope I'm not overdoing it.
I also hope this thread will stay obviously accessible and not just get buried, I think it may be useful for curious people investigating polygyny to see there is and has been a lot more happening out there in the wider world than just what may be observable in their own personal corner of the world.

 

[Frank S]

https://grbs.library.duke.edu/article/download/16149/7204

 

[Frank S]

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/mongolia/people.htm

 

[steve]

I also hope this thread will stay obviously accessible and not just get buried,

Any thread’s position is based upon the last comment made on it. Keep an eye on it and if it starts to fall down the list a ways, add another comment. It’ll bounce straight back to the top.

If the powers that be were to decide to pin it you will have accomplished something that very few of us have. Don’t hold your breath.

 

[rockfox]

I hope I'm not overdoing it

Not at all. Keep it up. I just try to help out by dropping quotes and comments on ones I find particularly noteworthy; at least to myself anyway.

One thing you might do is make archive.today backups of all these so they are accessible in the future. This is a great resource, I've seen several websites purporting to cover poly news that don't contain near this much relevant or up to date information.

 

[rockfox]

https://traditionsofconflict.com/bl...is-more-common-than-polyandry-across-cultures

Interesting discussion on polyandry. But I found it searching for this:

Across cultures, polygyny is significantly more common than polyandry. In the Ethnographic Atlas, less than 1% of societies (only 4 out of 1231) are coded as practicing polyandry, while 85% (1041 out of 1231) of societies are coded as practicing at least occasional polygyny. In anthropologists Katherine E. Starkweather and Raymond Hames 2012 paper ‘A Survey of Non-Classical Polyandry’, published in Human Nature, they argue that polyandry is more common than previously reported, noting there is evidence for at least occasional polyandry in an additional 53 societies.

However, as with the G/wi foragers, polyandry still tends to be rare, and generally restricted to specific social and ecological circumstances. For some of the societies mentioned by Starkweather & Hames, there is only a single example of polyandrous marriage, such as among the !Kung, and as we saw among the G/wi.

http://eclectic.ss.uci.edu/~drwhite/worldcul/Codebook4EthnoAtlas.pdf

That 85% stat is commonly reported, but rarely referenced. Lot of other interesting tidbits in there too. About

And this:

http://eclectic.ss.uci.edu/~drwhite/courses/SCCCodes.htm

Is I think a newer compilation that breaks down more details such as prevalence of polygyny and even things like who sleeps where. I've only scratched the surface on this.

 

[Verifyveritas76]

https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/59009/1/MPRA_paper_59009.pdf

Interesting

 

[Verifyveritas76]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...ppy-wedding/story-YQs71LQORNmMnzxMLSJUsL.html

The special arrangement called for an added vow – the two brides promised a peaceful household and not to let personal differences affect their relationship with Devgam.

 

[rockfox]

So polygamy raises the fertility level of the whole society, but depresses it for the specific women in polgynous relationships. That is fascinating. Nor sure the causal factors there. But spiritually its as if polygyny has a sanctifying affect on the whole society, inducing them to better fulfill their prime creation mandate.

 

[Frank S]

I just try to help out by dropping quotes and comments on ones I find particularly noteworthy

I think it is good that you do this. Drawing attention to little nuggets others may not have time to find because of time-constraints - I believe it is a helpful exercise. Thanks

 

[Frank S]

One thing you might do is make archive.today backups of all these so they are accessible in the future.

That is a great idea, at the moment I can only wish for time to get it done. Life seems to have more to do than there are hours in a day to get it all done. Maybe there is a member here who could volunteer this service??

 

[Frank S]

http://historian-hut-did-you-know.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-sister-wives-of-king-chlotar-i.html

 

[Frank S]

https://peruexposed.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/polygamy-practice/

 

[rockfox]

https://peruexposed.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/polygamy-practice/

Polygamy is not really common in Peru in the modern day, however men having more than one household is tolerated and expected.

So it's not common but its expected? Some societies take this form of polygamy, where every women has their own household. Yet if you look at the wiki on the legality of polygamy you'll see it is criminalized in Peru. So technically illegal, but socially expected.

What's going on here is the monogamists have pushed their law on all the whole world and would have us think polygamy is rare. But in real life law is a reflection of culture and in cultures like this such laws are effectively null and void.

 

[rockfox]

 

[rockfox]