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Poly Practised Elsewhere

Frank S said:
Thanks for calling attention to the anti-patriarchal system that is being promoted there in Uganda. I believe you both have given useful commentary for others who may look at this thread in the future. Sadly, so many places like Uganda are now being saddled with anti-Biblical disorder coming from our corner of the world. Family structure order as established in God's word is being attacked everywhere and unfortunately the disorder is continually encroaching in places where it has historically been in order for ages. This article demonstrates the "first world" system of supposed "empowerment" of women which ends up tearing down what was once good. It boils down to an "empowerment" to throw out God's order. As prophesied, evil men grow worse and worse. The ungodly do not want God and His order; they will receive the inevitable result that stance will surely bring.
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I want to add to what I said above. I was by no means trying to give the impression that Uganda is a place of some kind of utopian marriage, no such sin-free ideal exists on earth.

Regarding a different aspect of things... every type of relationship involving human beings will at some point exhibit
sin. As well, instances of abuse can sometimes be observed. Detractors of polygamy would be pleased to uncover instances of abuse in some patriarchal polygamous Ugandan marriages and thus proclaim it proves how awful polygamy and patriarchal structure is. The truth is, if monogamy without patriarchal structure were judged by that same standard, confirmed instances of abuse would long ago have condemned monogamy. Our courts have uncountable records of abuse that have happened within such marriages. So too with every other type of relationship. (Feminist "ideal" non-patriarchal family structure certainly has not eliminated documented abuse!) As to whether polygamy is better or worse than monogamy, neither is more righteous; the thing that matters is the righteous or unrighteous (read, "Biblical") behavior of persons in the relationship.

King David (the man after God's own heart) was a righteous man, his family structure was polygamous-patriarchal. If he along with his ladies were to show up in Uganda, he and family would be well accepted by most people - and rightfully so. If on on the other hand one Sunday morning they were to show up at most churches in our land, David would be treated as quite the opposite of a man after God's own heart. So then, which scenario lines up better with the Bible? There I go... preaching to the choir :)
 
Frank S said:
King David (the man after God's own heart) was a righteous man, his family structure was polygamous-patriarchal. If he along with his ladies were to show up in Uganda, he and family would be well accepted by most people - and rightfully so. If on on the other hand one Sunday morning they were to show up at most churches in our land, David would be treated as quite the opposite of a man after God's own heart. So then, which scenario lines up better with the Bible? There I go... preaching to the choir :)
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And the choir still loves to hear good preaching! ;) :)
 
Wealth was measured by pigs, land and the number of wives and the polygamous husband was usually one who had the characteristics of a warrior and skills of an orator.

The marriage for women was very highly valued where pigs and gifts were given as bride wealth.

She said this has shifted from tradition to new and emerging polygamies.

The new polygamy was based on the cash economy and material wealth.

“Today men get married to two or three wives because they have enough money, coffee trees, cars or other things. They show off, thinking, ‘I have everything and I want to marry.’”
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She has a point here. Poly based on base skills (warrior, orator) is healthy for the genetics of the population. But poly based on mere wealth is unhealthy to that same end given the tendency for wealth to be concentrated in the hands of sociopaths.

In our context, we tend to assume that all the women will get scooped up by the rich men; because wealth is how success and failure are judged in our civilization. It is worth meditating on how we could change that to encourage poly formation based on different criteria.

Keith Martin said:
Which is also why unfairness is the current progressive opposition to polygamy, because it's unfair.

We have to be strong in our opposition to socialism of relationships, in either of socialism's guises of redistribution or the taking over of everything by The State.
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The strongest opponents of polygamy are also often the strongest opponents of socialism. I can't decide if 'socialism of relationships' is brilliant rhetoric or doomed to failure since their self identification is anti-socialist.
 
rockfox said:
I can't decide if 'socialism of relationships' is brilliant rhetoric or doomed to failure since their self identification is anti-socialist.
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That would make for an interesting empirical study. I'll put it on my Eventual To Do List.
 
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