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Most Roman Catholic Bibles include Sirach as part of the canon. I also note it being quoted as part of His Word by Jewish sources.
I know Roman Catholics hold the Apocrypha as being Scripture. I'm just kinda surprised to hear Torah observant folks doing so. They generally seem even less enthusiastic about Roman Catholicism than Protestants are (not that Apocrypha equals Rome or anything).
 
What are y'all's thoughts on the Apocrypha? Coming from a protestant background,. I've never considered these books as being authoritative.

I have one Bible with those books, and I've read some in them. I find them somewhat interesting, and even a little beneficial, but don't consider them to be Bible, like the Old Testament and New Testament.

Lately, I've been listening to Follown Yashua on YouTube, and he is frequently quoting Sirach like it is the Bible.

Thanks for your thoughts
I think it's highly worth reading. It was taken as authoritative by too many early church fathers to just dismiss. These books were rejected by the Masoretic Jews long before they were rejected by the Protestant Church - the Protestants rejected them largely because the Jews had rejected them, so when they looked for the Hebrew scriptures these weren't available. Since then Hebrew copies of some of these books have been found at Qumran, so it's clear at least some were actually Hebrew originally but the Masoretes simply chose for whatever reason not to preserve them. In some cases these books feel more Christian than the remainder of the Old Testament and it seems clear that the Jews may have had religious reasons to reject them, reasons irrelevant to us.

I won't comment on whether it's infallible (there are a range of books under that category with differing levels of agreement on them), but they're certainly worth reading. If someone wouldn't object to reading a modern Christian author, even though their writings are not scripture, I can't see why the same person would object to reading the Apocrypha, which is far more venerable than anything else you'd find on the shelves of your local Christian bookstore.
 
No need to fret, Steve, they are preparing the re-education camps as we speak. Chin up buddy :)
I know you're not being entirely facetious, @Asforme&myhouse, but I am convinced that many of us who don't drink the Kool-Aid are being kept alive for some purpose useful to those who have been orchestrating everything.

I'm in the middle of rewatching The Matrix for the first time since 2004. The identified enemy is different from our actual reality (AI vs. one form or another of the ruling class), but, for the time being, I'm going to refer to my little hypothesis as Battery Preparation.
 
And, on the less than serious side, what's up with Jen Piss Saki and the black demon dress?
 
I know you're not being entirely facetious, @Asforme&myhouse, but I am convinced that many of us who don't drink the Kool-Aid are being kept alive for some purpose useful to those who have been orchestrating everything.

I'm in the middle of rewatching The Matrix for the first time since 2004. The identified enemy is different from our actual reality (AI vs. one form or another of the ruling class), but, for the time being, I'm going to refer to my little hypothesis as Battery Preparation.
I think they expected conservatives to fall inline with the death shot when they used trump to roll out the vaxx that they already had patents for. They underestimated their enemies. While they are mildly happy with the destruction they have caused so far, I think they were hoping for a lot more.
 
Joe Biden is corrupt and probably senile.
Boris Johnson is a clown.
Justin Trudeau is a puppet.
Still none of them compare to the lightweight leader of New Zealand.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/new-zealand-approves-orgies-25-people-part-new-covid-rules

Following Jesus is a challenge for all of us, but I don't envy our Kiwi brothers and sisters. We love you guys.

It is painful watching the insanely wicked burn down our societies. Romans 1, here we are.
 
Joe Biden is corrupt and probably senile.
Boris Johnson is a clown.
Justin Trudeau is a puppet.
Still none of them compare to the lightweight leader of New Zealand.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/new-zealand-approves-orgies-25-people-part-new-covid-rules

Following Jesus is a challenge for all of us, but I don't envy our Kiwi brothers and sisters. We love you guys.

It is painful watching the insanely wicked burn down our societies. Romans 1, here we are.
Yes, orgies. Orgies I say! Go for your life! But don't take your dog to the vet, or your kids to the library, or eat any food anywhere other than your home. Maybe if you're eating chocolate sauce off a bunch of other naked people in the orgie it's fine though?

She's a joke. Literally. This whole thing did make me laugh.
 
Evidently there was a competition over which of our countries could elect the biggest joke.

But seriously, when you embrace a spirit of lies you eventually lose the ability to recognize insanity.
 
I know Roman Catholics hold the Apocrypha as being Scripture. I'm just kinda surprised to hear Torah observant folks doing so.
We read apocryphal writings after the Torah portion to get a better look at the lifestyle and politics of the times. The stories are interesting and as long as they do not contradict Torah they are good background.
 
We read apocryphal writings after the Torah portion to get a better look at the lifestyle and politics of the times. The stories are interesting and as long as they do not contradict Torah they are good background.
Thanks Jim and Mary. That sounds reasonable. I think they have substantial value, but I wouldn't have confidence that they are "breathed out by the Holy Spirit" like the 66 books of the Bible are.

For example, I find the Christian book "Pilgrims Progress" extremely helpful, and deeply love it. Still, it isn't God's Word like the Bible is.
 
I think it's highly worth reading. It was taken as authoritative by too many early church fathers to just dismiss. These books were rejected by the Masoretic Jews long before they were rejected by the Protestant Church - the Protestants rejected them largely because the Jews had rejected them, so when they looked for the Hebrew scriptures these weren't available. Since then Hebrew copies of some of these books have been found at Qumran, so it's clear at least some were actually Hebrew originally but the Masoretes simply chose for whatever reason not to preserve them. In some cases these books feel more Christian than the remainder of the Old Testament and it seems clear that the Jews may have had religious reasons to reject them, reasons irrelevant to us.

I won't comment on whether it's infallible (there are a range of books under that category with differing levels of agreement on them), but they're certainly worth reading. If someone wouldn't object to reading a modern Christian author, even though their writings are not scripture, I can't see why the same person would object to reading the Apocrypha, which is far more venerable than anything else you'd find on the shelves of your local Christian bookstore.
Thank you for the thoughtful response. I always value your insights. What you said makes a lot of sense.
 
J.K Rowling's new tweet
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I will translate a Christian's tweet about j.k Rowling

"It is important for Christians to follow the case of J.K Rowling. We don't have her fame, but the way is that those who think similarly to her about gender and sexuality will be increasingly hated, cancelled and criminalized.

In the above tweet Rowling is criticizing the fact that the police will register a rapist as a woman if that is how the man identifies himself.

In these matters public opinion does not allow other opinions. Different opinions are criminalized, they are labeled as hate

Trans people can live and identify as they want and should be respected, but this is not something obvious from the point of view of nature and science, so different views that respect each other should be treated with more normality and less criminalization."
 
i'm not catholic, but this painting is really beautiful
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I wish the authors of the new testament had talked more about Maria
 
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