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Serious developments in Iraq and Iran
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Deep breaths men, Iran has zero capability to wage conventional war. There is no telling how many of their missiles they just expended on a very carefully aimed miss, although you can be sure they hit exactly what they were aiming at, but it was certainly a significant amount. They have been testing the waters for years. They just learned what they needed to know. Remember, this was the country that couldn't defeat Iraq. Also, they can't afford to lose. If they do then all the decades of planning and murder will have been wasted. The Islamic Revolution will have been discredited and there would be regime change from with in. Iran will be very well behaved for a while. Also they will be riven by internal rivalries as people and entities try to fill some of the power vacuum left by this guy's death. He was a larger than life figure and the mastermind of so much of the death and destruction of the last twenty years that his absence is going to take a while to be mitigated. This was a bold move, very bold. There is a chance that it could backfire. But it was a risk worth taking. Terrorism in Middle East was dealt a severe blow. I agree entirely that America should not be in the Middle East. We should leave yesterday. Our presence there will accomplish nothing long term even if it saves some lives and forestalls some wars in the mean time. But we are there. And we have to be proactive and aggressive as long as we are. We will never know what we have prevented by this action. But we know what he would have done if we hadn't acted, it would have been more of the same. Incidentally, this guy definitely fits the definition of a brigand and so qualifies for death according to Torah.
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Welcome back @ZecAustin! It's great to see you.
This is a very interesting incident, and appears to have been very carefully calculated to fall just short of starting a war. I think Iran will pull their head in and be very cautious for a while, but mainly because it looks like they made a disastrous mistake and shot down a passenger aircraft a few hours after the strike, while their air defences will have been at very high alert. It's the most rational explanation for the air crash. They'll be focussed on trying to spin a coverup on that one. I suspect all went to plan - until this happened.
It's quite ironic that it was a Ukranian aircraft, given that the Ukraine also probably shot down a passenger aircraft a few years ago (MH-17) and has been busy covering that up ever since and blaming everybody else... But in Ukraine's case, I think they shot down MH-17 deliberately, in order to frame Donbass and Russia as evil terrorists. Iran's probably shot this plane down completely accidentally.
I wouldn't want to be a soldier in whatever air defence battery caused this. Heads will roll. Literally, not figuratively - this is Iran we're talking about, rolling heads will be an obvious tool for any coverup operation...
Other possible causes for the crash:
Someone else shot it from the air to frame Iran. This seems very unlikely to me as they'd have had to penetrate all the way to Tehran without getting shot down, and because Tehran would have them recorded on radar and would be already telling the world about it.
Someone planted a bomb in the engine at the last servicing, 48 hours before, again to detonate at the right time and frame Iran. Almost entirely implausible as the timing is too close to the missile attack.
Iran did it deliberately. Highly unlikely as no motive, nothing to be gained - unless there was one person on that flight who was targeted for execution in an extremely expensive manner.
This is a very interesting incident, and appears to have been very carefully calculated to fall just short of starting a war. I think Iran will pull their head in and be very cautious for a while, but mainly because it looks like they made a disastrous mistake and shot down a passenger aircraft a few hours after the strike, while their air defences will have been at very high alert. It's the most rational explanation for the air crash. They'll be focussed on trying to spin a coverup on that one. I suspect all went to plan - until this happened.
It's quite ironic that it was a Ukranian aircraft, given that the Ukraine also probably shot down a passenger aircraft a few years ago (MH-17) and has been busy covering that up ever since and blaming everybody else... But in Ukraine's case, I think they shot down MH-17 deliberately, in order to frame Donbass and Russia as evil terrorists. Iran's probably shot this plane down completely accidentally.
I wouldn't want to be a soldier in whatever air defence battery caused this. Heads will roll. Literally, not figuratively - this is Iran we're talking about, rolling heads will be an obvious tool for any coverup operation...
Other possible causes for the crash:
Someone else shot it from the air to frame Iran. This seems very unlikely to me as they'd have had to penetrate all the way to Tehran without getting shot down, and because Tehran would have them recorded on radar and would be already telling the world about it.
Someone planted a bomb in the engine at the last servicing, 48 hours before, again to detonate at the right time and frame Iran. Almost entirely implausible as the timing is too close to the missile attack.
Iran did it deliberately. Highly unlikely as no motive, nothing to be gained - unless there was one person on that flight who was targeted for execution in an extremely expensive manner.
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welcome back you have been sorely missed!
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Was less drama that's for sure.
Hopefully one day we can have a great fanfare when @Keith Martin returns.
Hopefully one day we can have a great fanfare when @Keith Martin returns.
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You have to admit it's been peaceful around here. Not to mention we were able to talk about hard subjects like Torah/non Torah stuff with very little aggression. If you think what we went through was bad it could have been much worse. I personally think we are all better of because of the discussion.
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@Cap , I love you brother, but I'm about to say something that's gonna sting because you really need to hear it.
@ZecAustin is your BROTHER. Your treatment of him, particularly these types of condescending and snide remarks are shameful, wicked even. I find it a despicable display of unrighteousness and I am calling you out. Just as you are my brother, so is he. You will not speak in this manner about a friend or a brother of mine, or we are gonna throwdown. I'm tired of it and you have officially pissed me off.
If you can't love your brother whom you can see, what makes you think you can love your God whom you can't see? So, you two have differences, grow up and quit wearing your feelings on your sleeve.
I love you as a brother. Now stop it!!
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Thank you for your concern. My opinion still stands. I do welcome direct communication from my brother to resolve these matters, though. I hope your words go the other way as well.
Let's remember, no apology was given for what happen to Jennifer and Nathan. A brother and sister .
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@Cap, I stand by what @PeteR said (thankyou for that).
"what happen to Jennifer and Nathan" has been resolved and concluded months ago - mostly in private without your involvement. If you have any further thoughts on the matter, you may raise them in private, but I'm not going to have old personal matters raised again in public simply to stoke tensions between brothers.
I am not having this thread turning into an argument about individuals on this forum. Such matters are best discussed in private - and should be discussed if the concerns are serious. You are well capable of starting private conversations with anybody who you need to discuss such matters with.
So any further public posts along those lines will be deleted.
"what happen to Jennifer and Nathan" has been resolved and concluded months ago - mostly in private without your involvement. If you have any further thoughts on the matter, you may raise them in private, but I'm not going to have old personal matters raised again in public simply to stoke tensions between brothers.
I am not having this thread turning into an argument about individuals on this forum. Such matters are best discussed in private - and should be discussed if the concerns are serious. You are well capable of starting private conversations with anybody who you need to discuss such matters with.
So any further public posts along those lines will be deleted.
Ok. Now I think some things are becoming clearer. Anyone else see it?
Seems like there may be some shades of campaign-issue-raising with this strike.
The campaign surrogates are now slamming Congressional oversight on War Powers. It's an old card in the playbook: Run against Congress.
Seems like there may be some shades of campaign-issue-raising with this strike.
The campaign surrogates are now slamming Congressional oversight on War Powers. It's an old card in the playbook: Run against Congress.
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Today when I came home from work there was an intersection that was filled with people protesting to stop a war. THERE IS NO WAR. This War Powers stuff is another attempt by liberals to control things they don't like. There is a large segment of society that is not playing their game anymore.
But you could be right, since the impeachment failed they have to find something to get their group to rally around.
But you could be right, since the impeachment failed they have to find something to get their group to rally around.
I'm a classic liberal and those of us on the right have always been skeptical of foreign wars and entanglements. I made an exception and did support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. I think we've done our job and need to get out and let the Muslims kill each other.
It was the leftists like Wilson and Roosevelt that pushed for war in Europe and beyond.
I support the Monroe Doctrine in keeping European and other foreign powers out of our hemisphere.
I also support the Constitution and the oversight it gives to Congress over declarations of war. We should all be wary of unfettered executive actions.
It was the leftists like Wilson and Roosevelt that pushed for war in Europe and beyond.
I support the Monroe Doctrine in keeping European and other foreign powers out of our hemisphere.
I also support the Constitution and the oversight it gives to Congress over declarations of war. We should all be wary of unfettered executive actions.
Wow. That's one from the historical archives. Forgot about that one.
I was in the Navy at the time and so it was a vivid memory. I was in the Gulf after the USS Stark got hit by the Iraqis.
Tense times. Which reminds me that we've been in that area a llllooooonnnnngggg time, and it's still...dysfunctional.