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Should husbands be friends with their wives?

Yeah; we're on the same page about that, @steve. I wasn't considering it as being pointed toward me in particular, though; I just want to make the point that, just because one doesn't assert one particular requirement doesn't mean one is negating that requirement.

These days, I happen to think that the whole thing of pushing friendship as the ideal in any relationship is blatantly part of the secularization of our culture, in which we require fealty to each other in replacement for fealty to God.
 
People can be friends with their boss and this is encouraged. You still have to respect the boss even if there is friendship. You have to balance both.
 
Also, Moses was a friend to God. The Father called certain people friends. You have to understand your position when it's time to adhere to authority.
 
Is she expecting this friendship to look like what she'd get from her BFF? I'm reminded of that video I posted from the matchmaker addressing women's complains about men not acting like their BFF would (she put it better than I can). As she points out it's a non-starter, men are not women.

And then there's this . . .

From Best Friends to Platonic Spouses
Some people are taking their friendships to the next level by saying “I do” to marriages without sex.

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Jay Guercio, left, and Krystle Guercio, who have been friends since 2011, were married Nov. 14, 2020. The couple share a bed without any physical contact.
By Danielle BraffThe New York Times
Published May 1, 2021
Updated May 3, 2021
First came blood brothers, best friends who would solidify their bond by cutting themselves and swapping a bit of blood. Then came the tiny house besties, friends moving into adjoining tiny homes. (“Bestie Row” in Texas, for example.)

Today some people are taking their friendships a giant step further: They are platonically marrying each other, vowing to never leave each other’s side for better or for worse.

On Nov. 14, 2020 at Greenwood Hall in East Islip, N.Y., Jay Guercio and Krystle Purificato donned wedding gowns, walked down the aisle, exchanged rings and shared their first and only kiss. Ms. Purificato is in the process of changing her last name to Guercio.

“I want her to continue to be my best friend and my life partner,” said Ms. Guercio, a 23-year-old student studying professional communications at Farmingdale State College.

The besties, both queer and open to dating anyone but each other, met in 2011, and decided to get married in September. They sleep in the same bed but their relationship remains platonic.

Ms. Guercio and Ms. Purificato wanted to get married because they wanted to be legally and socially recognized as a family.

“We wanted the world to know we are each other’s go-to person in the world, and to be able to handle legal matters with the other appropriately,” Ms. Guercio said. “We are a couple, a unit and partners for life.”

Ms. Guercio said their marriage is stable, it’s long-lasting and it has no conditions.

There are no statistics about the number of platonic, best-friend marriages, and many people who are in them aren’t open about their situation. But chat boards on Reddit and within smaller asexual and aromantic communities have popped up recently, suggesting this could be a larger portion of the marriage population than numbers portray. (Asexual is defined as having little or no sexual attraction toward others; aromantic means having no desire for a romantic relationship. Hetero-monogamous is a sexual relationship between a man and a woman.)

“It should be acknowledged that we’ve really normalized heterosexual monogamous romantic relationships to the point of stigmatizing other kinds of relationships,” said Nick Bognar, a marriage and family therapist in Pasadena, Calif. “All of this is to say, I think this probably happens a lot, but people don’t talk about it much because their relationships are invalidated by others when they’re seen as not being part of the norm.”

Historically, marriage was an economic proposition, but it has shifted over time to a choice representing an all-consuming relationship, said Indigo Stray Conger, a sex and relationship therapist in Denver. Under this framework, couples expect each other to fulfill all their needs: social, psychological and economic.

“Platonic marriages raise an interesting question related to what elements are most important in a marriage, and what needs partners theoretically must meet for marriages to be successful,” said Jess Carbino, a relationship expert who lives in Los Angeles and is a former sociologist for the dating apps Tinder and Bumble.

Kim Reiter, 40, never considered marrying a best friend, though she considers herself to be nonbinary, aromantic and bisexual. Ms. Reiter, who lives in Dortmund, Germany, and is unemployed, tried OkCupid in 2013 and found her husband, who is aromantic and asexual.

They quickly became platonic best friends and married in 2018.

“Our daily life is that of best friends: We talk and laugh a lot, watch movies, but there is almost no physical element in it,” Ms. Reiter said. “Sometimes we hug or give massages to each other, and every night we have our good-night kiss, but we have separate bedrooms. We are the most important people in each other’s lives.”

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Kema Barton, left, and Dene Brown were married last October. They have never been intimate with each other, and they both have the freedom to date outside their marriage. This photo was taken using a Snapchat filter.

Kema Barton and Dene Brown, of Columbus, Ohio, are both pansexual and have a similar platonic marriage. (Pansexual is defined as sexual, romantic, or emotional attraction toward people regardless of their sex or gender identity.) They have been best friends for seven years, and each has two children from previous relationships. In October 2020, just before Ms. Brown had her second child, the friends decided to get married and make all their life decisions together.

They decided to make it official because they wanted to build a family together, to raise their children together and to make all their major choices as a unit.

They’re in the process of buying a house and getting a joint bank account. Their children consider each other brother and sister, and they call each woman Mom.

“We’re committed to investing in one another so we can both be successful, and ultimately, we love each other so much,” said Ms. Brown, 30, a disabled Navy veteran. “In every way that you’d look at a husband or a marriage in terms of interpersonal connections and intimacy, it’s there.”

Ms. Brown and Ms. Barton have never been intimate with each other, and they both have given each other the freedom to date outside their marriage.

Kimberly Perlin, a psychotherapist in Towson, Md., said that couples in this type of arrangement often find compatibility and understand each other well, while also agreeing to the guidelines without being blinded by romantic feeling. Many of these relationships, she said, begin because the couple wants their family life separate from their romantic lives, as they don’t find their romantic lives to be stable.

“If both partners have clear understandings of what is expected, flexibility and communication skills to address conflicts that come up, do not wish to marry a romantic partner and are fine with going against the norms, then who are any of us to say it won’t work?” Ms. Perlin said.

Platonic marriages have been prevalent since marriage became an institution, while marrying for love is more of an oddity in human history, Ms. Conger said.

In the United States, where marriage is incentivized with tax breaks and other couple privileges, getting married to someone with whom you are not romantically attached affords multiple benefits, she said. “A platonic marriage is more than a passing year with a roommate who has different ideas about kitchen cleanliness,” Ms. Conger said. “A platonic marriage is a deep bond and lifelong commitment to a nesting partner you build a shared life with.”

Jullep Teah, 24, a call center representative in San Antonio, Texas, said she feels this way about her future wife, Ashley Roberts, 25, a direct support professional for the state of Texas. Ms. Teah, who is demisexual, plans to marry Ms. Roberts, who has been her best friend since the sixth grade. (Demisexual is defined as only being sexually attracted to someone with whom you have an emotional bond.) They already make all their financial decisions together. They have moved across the country twice together and are currently buying a home together. They share two dogs, and they’re not sure if they want children, but they may adopt in the future.

Ms. Teah said she has social anxiety, which makes it difficult for her to know anyone intimately — and she isn’t interested in romantic relationships. She said there’s more to marriage beyond sex and romance. Her emotional needs are fulfilled and she can’t imagine life without Ms. Roberts by her side.

“Meeting people is hard, getting a bond and romantic feelings is hard, and more and more young people are starting to realize that there are other benefits to marriage other than romantic love: I mean, isn’t the point to marry your best friend?” Ms. Teah said. “So why can’t it be your literal best friend?”

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My brother, who forwarded this to me, titled the subject line, "Unable to submit to men, these women are stuck with each other!"
 
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If husbands can be friends with their wives then why is the Friendzone a thing? o_O

Don't get me wrong, I love being friendly with my husband but he's not my friend. He's my husband.
Well put!
 
A "friend" is someone you feel affection and esteem for, someone you wish good things for. There's nothing about headship, or even lordship, that requires that you can't be friends
If husbands can be friends with their wives then why is the Friendzone a thing?
Because Friendzone defines an upper limit to the relationship.
I prefer friendship to be a side benefit of the relationship. Collateral advantage, if you will.
 
And then there's this . . .

From Best Friends to Platonic Spouses
Some people are taking their friendships to the next level by saying “I do” to marriages without sex.

oakImage-1619545737801-articleLarge.jpg


Jay Guercio, left, and Krystle Guercio, who have been friends since 2011, were married Nov. 14, 2020. The couple share a bed without any physical contact.
By Danielle BraffThe New York Times
Published May 1, 2021
Updated May 3, 2021
First came blood brothers, best friends who would solidify their bond by cutting themselves and swapping a bit of blood. Then came the tiny house besties, friends moving into adjoining tiny homes. (“Bestie Row” in Texas, for example.)

Today some people are taking their friendships a giant step further: They are platonically marrying each other, vowing to never leave each other’s side for better or for worse.

On Nov. 14, 2020 at Greenwood Hall in East Islip, N.Y., Jay Guercio and Krystle Purificato donned wedding gowns, walked down the aisle, exchanged rings and shared their first and only kiss. Ms. Purificato is in the process of changing her last name to Guercio.

“I want her to continue to be my best friend and my life partner,” said Ms. Guercio, a 23-year-old student studying professional communications at Farmingdale State College.

The besties, both queer and open to dating anyone but each other, met in 2011, and decided to get married in September. They sleep in the same bed but their relationship remains platonic.

Ms. Guercio and Ms. Purificato wanted to get married because they wanted to be legally and socially recognized as a family.

“We wanted the world to know we are each other’s go-to person in the world, and to be able to handle legal matters with the other appropriately,” Ms. Guercio said. “We are a couple, a unit and partners for life.”

Ms. Guercio said their marriage is stable, it’s long-lasting and it has no conditions.

There are no statistics about the number of platonic, best-friend marriages, and many people who are in them aren’t open about their situation. But chat boards on Reddit and within smaller asexual and aromantic communities have popped up recently, suggesting this could be a larger portion of the marriage population than numbers portray. (Asexual is defined as having little or no sexual attraction toward others; aromantic means having no desire for a romantic relationship. Hetero-monogamous is a sexual relationship between a man and a woman.)

“It should be acknowledged that we’ve really normalized heterosexual monogamous romantic relationships to the point of stigmatizing other kinds of relationships,” said Nick Bognar, a marriage and family therapist in Pasadena, Calif. “All of this is to say, I think this probably happens a lot, but people don’t talk about it much because their relationships are invalidated by others when they’re seen as not being part of the norm.”

Historically, marriage was an economic proposition, but it has shifted over time to a choice representing an all-consuming relationship, said Indigo Stray Conger, a sex and relationship therapist in Denver. Under this framework, couples expect each other to fulfill all their needs: social, psychological and economic.

“Platonic marriages raise an interesting question related to what elements are most important in a marriage, and what needs partners theoretically must meet for marriages to be successful,” said Jess Carbino, a relationship expert who lives in Los Angeles and is a former sociologist for the dating apps Tinder and Bumble.

Kim Reiter, 40, never considered marrying a best friend, though she considers herself to be nonbinary, aromantic and bisexual. Ms. Reiter, who lives in Dortmund, Germany, and is unemployed, tried OkCupid in 2013 and found her husband, who is aromantic and asexual.

They quickly became platonic best friends and married in 2018.

“Our daily life is that of best friends: We talk and laugh a lot, watch movies, but there is almost no physical element in it,” Ms. Reiter said. “Sometimes we hug or give massages to each other, and every night we have our good-night kiss, but we have separate bedrooms. We are the most important people in each other’s lives.”

02platonic2-articleLarge.jpg


Kema Barton, left, and Dene Brown were married last October. They have never been intimate with each other, and they both have the freedom to date outside their marriage. This photo was taken using a Snapchat filter.

Kema Barton and Dene Brown, of Columbus, Ohio, are both pansexual and have a similar platonic marriage. (Pansexual is defined as sexual, romantic, or emotional attraction toward people regardless of their sex or gender identity.) They have been best friends for seven years, and each has two children from previous relationships. In October 2020, just before Ms. Brown had her second child, the friends decided to get married and make all their life decisions together.

They decided to make it official because they wanted to build a family together, to raise their children together and to make all their major choices as a unit.

They’re in the process of buying a house and getting a joint bank account. Their children consider each other brother and sister, and they call each woman Mom.

“We’re committed to investing in one another so we can both be successful, and ultimately, we love each other so much,” said Ms. Brown, 30, a disabled Navy veteran. “In every way that you’d look at a husband or a marriage in terms of interpersonal connections and intimacy, it’s there.”

Ms. Brown and Ms. Barton have never been intimate with each other, and they both have given each other the freedom to date outside their marriage.

Kimberly Perlin, a psychotherapist in Towson, Md., said that couples in this type of arrangement often find compatibility and understand each other well, while also agreeing to the guidelines without being blinded by romantic feeling. Many of these relationships, she said, begin because the couple wants their family life separate from their romantic lives, as they don’t find their romantic lives to be stable.

“If both partners have clear understandings of what is expected, flexibility and communication skills to address conflicts that come up, do not wish to marry a romantic partner and are fine with going against the norms, then who are any of us to say it won’t work?” Ms. Perlin said.

Platonic marriages have been prevalent since marriage became an institution, while marrying for love is more of an oddity in human history, Ms. Conger said.

In the United States, where marriage is incentivized with tax breaks and other couple privileges, getting married to someone with whom you are not romantically attached affords multiple benefits, she said. “A platonic marriage is more than a passing year with a roommate who has different ideas about kitchen cleanliness,” Ms. Conger said. “A platonic marriage is a deep bond and lifelong commitment to a nesting partner you build a shared life with.”

Jullep Teah, 24, a call center representative in San Antonio, Texas, said she feels this way about her future wife, Ashley Roberts, 25, a direct support professional for the state of Texas. Ms. Teah, who is demisexual, plans to marry Ms. Roberts, who has been her best friend since the sixth grade. (Demisexual is defined as only being sexually attracted to someone with whom you have an emotional bond.) They already make all their financial decisions together. They have moved across the country twice together and are currently buying a home together. They share two dogs, and they’re not sure if they want children, but they may adopt in the future.

Ms. Teah said she has social anxiety, which makes it difficult for her to know anyone intimately — and she isn’t interested in romantic relationships. She said there’s more to marriage beyond sex and romance. Her emotional needs are fulfilled and she can’t imagine life without Ms. Roberts by her side.

“Meeting people is hard, getting a bond and romantic feelings is hard, and more and more young people are starting to realize that there are other benefits to marriage other than romantic love: I mean, isn’t the point to marry your best friend?” Ms. Teah said. “So why can’t it be your literal best friend?”

*************

My brother, who forwarded this to me, titled the subject line, "Unable to submit to men, these women are stuck with each other!"
Young people are so confused.
 
They’re in the process of buying a house and getting a joint bank account. Their children consider each other brother and sister, and they call each woman Mom.

Surprisingly unsurprised, they's skipped all the romance stuff straight to the lesbian death bed stage. But the quoted portion is quite germane to poly as they're essentially acting as sister-wives. Just without a man in the picture.

Women were created to be someones help-meet. This extended single and searching phase our society has is not normal, it goes against their created instinct.

Because Friendzone defines an upper limit to the relationship.
I prefer friendship to be a side benefit of the relationship. Collateral advantage, if you will.

Yep, the devil is in the details. Does being friends with your wife mean you're friendly? I'd sure hope so. But friends implies more than that and many different things, it's is such a broad term in our language. But if it means BFF or 'Let's Just Be Friends' that is where we have problems.
 
the quoted portion is quite germane to poly as they're essentially acting as sister-wives.
Well, it might be a win for a man. It could be a two for one deal :p

The article refers to OK Cupid; that is the dating site offshoot of the original Facebook where I wasted years looking for another wife. One of their claims to fame is creating the 17-and-expanding list of sexual orientations. I recently mentioned their celebration of the 'demisexual' designation. On its face, and when used by someone without appending a postmodern feminist political position, someone being a demisexual could actually make them a perfect fit for many polygynists.

But be forewarned: most of the women on OK Cupid and elsewhere who label themselves as demisexual these days aren't really demisexuals; they are either asexual or some type of man-hater and certainly not interested in or capable of accepting male headship. The women in the story my brother forwarded to me (above) are not simply waiting for a man they can trust to have an emotional connection with them; they're Kool-Aid-drinking self-centered self-promoting attention-seeking political activists who would be double trouble if brought into a plural family led by a man.
 
Along these lines, a man's perspective: "No, ma'am, you can imagine all you want, but implementing requires being able to actually physically create a society and police yourselves."


"You can't reproduce if you are . . . dead!"

"They're usually just the women who want to spoil the fun for the pretty women, anyway."
 
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Scripture paints the marital relationship as a hierarchical one.

Can bosses be friends with their employees? Parents with children? Commanding officers with their men?

Many of those are discouraged our outright prohibited.

Modern relationships, based on romance, heavily implies/requires friendship. But then when the lust fades so does the relationship. And it almost always is devoid of proper Biblical hierarchy.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I am a friend to my wife, but it is fraught with dangers.
 
Love it, except for . . .

But then when the lust fades so does the relationship.

I know I'm only 67, but when is the lust going to begin to fade?
 
Scripture paints the marital relationship as a hierarchical one.

Can bosses be friends with their employees? Parents with children? Commanding officers with their men?

Many of those are discouraged our outright prohibited.

Modern relationships, based on romance, heavily implies/requires friendship. But then when the lust fades so does the relationship. And it almost always is devoid of proper Biblical hierarchy.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I am a friend to my wife, but it is fraught with dangers.

I agree!
 
I know I'm only 67, but when is the lust going to begin to fade?

I am referring to the infamous honeymoon period; which is followed by the 3/7 year itch that takes down many marriages. Sexual desire doesn't go away, but that romantic love (i.e. eros, lust) for the particular partner fades after a time.

This is related to the saying...familiarity breeds contempt.

It's not a given. It's more likely to affect women than men and there are things men and women can do to keep those fires burning.

Now specifically in this thread we are speaking of friendship, which would be related not to eros but to philia or storge love. But the familiarity of friendship tends to dampen the excitement/friction/newness that is often behind eros. And since our relationships are based on eros that is a terminal condition for many.

Hence the often heard saying, "I love you but I'm not in love with you." as she heads out the door.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love

Though there are more Greek words for love, variants and possibly subcategories, a general summary considering these Ancient Greek concepts are as follows:

Agápe (ἀγάπη agápē[1]) means "love: esp. brotherly love, charity; the love of God for man and of man for God".[2] Agape is used in ancient texts to denote feelings for one's children and the feelings for a spouse, and it was also used to refer to a love feast.[3] Agape is used by Christians to express the unconditional love of God for his children.[4] This type of love was further explained by Thomas Aquinas as "to will the good of another".[5] [The Eph 5 love commanded of men towards their women. -- Rockfox]

Éros (ἔρως érōs) means "love, mostly of the sexual passion".[6] The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "intimate love". Plato refined his own definition: Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. Plato does not talk of physical attraction as a necessary part of love, hence the use of the word platonic to mean, "without physical attraction". In the Symposium, the most famous ancient work on the subject, Plato has Socrates argue that eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty, and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth, the ideal Form of youthful beauty that leads us humans to feel erotic desire – thus suggesting that even that sensually based love aspires to the non-corporeal, spiritual plane of existence; that is, finding its truth, just like finding any truth, leads to transcendence.[7] Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth through the means of eros. [Eros in the Bible is almost exclusively referred to negatively. -- Rockfox]

Philia (φιλία philía) means "affectionate regard, friendship", usually "between equals".[8] It is a dispassionate virtuous love, a concept developed by Aristotle.[9] In his best-known work on ethics, Nicomachean Ethics, philia is expressed variously as loyalty to friends (specifically, "brotherly love"), family, and community, and requires virtue, equality, and familiarity. Furthermore, in the same text philos is also the root of philautia denoting self-love and arising from it, a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers. [the Titus 2:4 love commanded of women towards their husband and children -- Rockfox]

Storge (στοργή storgē) means "love, affection" and "especially of parents and children".[10] It is the common or natural empathy, like that felt by parents for offspring.[11] Rarely used in ancient works, and then almost exclusively as a descriptor of relationships within the family. It is also known to express mere acceptance or putting up with situations, as in "loving" the tyrant. This is also used when referencing the love for one's country or a favorite sports team.

Philautia (Greek: φιλαυτία, romanized: philautía) means "self-love". To love oneself or "regard for one's own happiness or advantage"[12][full citation needed] has been conceptualized both as a basic human necessity[13] and as a moral flaw, akin to vanity and selfishness,[14] synonymous with amour-propre or egotism. The Greeks further divided this love into positive and negative: one, the unhealthy version, is the self-obsessed love, and the other is the concept of self-compassion.

Xenia (Greek: ξενία) is an ancient Greek concept of hospitality. It is sometimes translated as 'guest-friendship' or 'ritualized friendship'. It is an institutionalized relationship rooted in generosity, gift exchange, and reciprocity.[15] Historically, hospitality towards foreigners and guests (Hellenes not of your polis) was understood as a moral obligation. Hospitality towards foreign Hellenes honored Zeus Xenios (and Athene Xenia) patrons of foreigners.
 
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