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Speaker of the House Mike Johnson as an example of what's wrong with evangelicalism

Except this "legal process" will be seen as fakery and unjust by practically everyone. It will also break customs of behaviour between states. It will make USA look like thiefs (just clothed in decent clothes, more crooked than burgulars).

Sell off of US treasuries will accelerate and all US debt will move toward worthless.

Shooting in head move.
Yeah yeah yeah, I wish. If we could get rid of the reserve currency status it could revitalize our culture. It won’t happen because there is no alternative and too many people are too invested in it.

I would love it if we could boot the rest of the world out of our economy. You people do nothing but drag us down. You’ll never stop clinging to our ankles though. And bitching about it the whole time.
 
Yeah yeah yeah, I wish. If we could get rid of the reserve currency status it could revitalize our culture. It won’t happen because there is no alternative and too many people are too invested in it.

I would love it if we could boot the rest of the world out of our economy. You people do nothing but drag us down. You’ll never stop clinging to our ankles though. And bitching about it the whole time.
Topic was Russian state financial assets on US territory and what US federal government will do.
 
What the US federal government will do is what it’s always done. There is no one to challenge them and no alternative. With no incentive to change or penalty for not changing, why would they change?
Because US government doesn't have infinite power and may not like consequences of their actions.

And cost that can be imposed to US government can be gigantic starting with disobedient population.
 
Because US government doesn't have infinite power and may not like consequences of their actions.

And cost that can be imposed to US government can be gigantic starting with disobedient population.
But no outside force can impose a cost on the US government, not until a number of trends reverse over a number of years. Inflation is the biggest threat to America and the rest of the world may save us from that yet again.
 
But no outside force can impose a cost on the US government, not until a number of trends reverse over a number of years. Inflation is the biggest threat to America and the rest of the world may save us from that yet again.
It's already happening. Other states imposing cost on US.

Russia makes fun of US equipment in Ukraine. China swaps dollars for yuan for all states lacking dollars making US sanctions less harmfull.

So US government is getting defanged in front of our eyes and you don't notice.

By the way, less dollarization means less export of US inflation. Have fun.

Let's start with internal factors. Powell has insured slowdown in expansion of government stopping their plans.

FBI resources are getting eaten by surveillance of libertarians and conservatives. Moms for Liberry is eating government control of schooling (and eating FBI resources. Did I mention calls for their shutdown slowly moving into mainstream?
 
It's already happening. Other states imposing cost on US.

Russia makes fun of US equipment in Ukraine. China swaps dollars for yuan for all states lacking dollars making US sanctions less harmfull.

So US government is getting defanged in front of our eyes and you don't notice.

By the way, less dollarization means less export of US inflation. Have fun.

Let's start with internal factors. Powell has insured slowdown in expansion of government stopping their plans.

FBI resources are getting eaten by surveillance of libertarians and conservatives. Moms for Liberry is eating government control of schooling (and eating FBI resources. Did I mention calls for their shutdown slowly moving into mainstream
And yet no one is even catching up to us. It’s disheartening. As bad as we are; everyone else is worse. Also, you’re nuts. American weapons are making a fool of Russia and China is in a slow motion collapse. And none of it matters to you because your country can neither participate or benefit in or from from any of it. You’re an ant railing at a lion.
 
And yet no one is even catching up to us. It’s disheartening. As bad as we are; everyone else is worse. Also, you’re nuts. American weapons are making a fool of Russia and China is in a slow motion collapse. And none of it matters to you because your country can neither participate or benefit in or from from any of it. You’re an ant railing at a lion.
Relative world ranking is another separate problem.
 
No it’s not. America isn’t competing against 1950s America. America is competing against the world as it is now. The world as it it is now is not giving us a run for our money.
State in Late Roman Empire stage believes it has no rivals and everything is fine.

Same things:

1.Neverending growth of bureacracy
2. Rivals unable to be defeated
3. Money printing
4. Lot's of population hates it
5. Impotent army
 
State in Late Roman Empire stage believes it has no rivals and everything is fine.

Same things:

1.Neverending growth of bureaucracy
2. Rivals unable to be defeated
3. Money printing
4. Lot's of population hates it
5. Impotent army

Rome fell for a variety of tangible reasons but the greatest reason it fell was that the Roman people were no longer enamored of their own empire. It had become endemically corrupt and the people who bore the brunt of abuse were the people at the lowest rungs of society. Those people were the slaves, the farmworkers, the craftsmen, the artisans, and etc. They were heavily taxed while their rulers employed schemes and artifices (or bribes) to avoid taxation.

People lost faith in the idea of Rome. From there it was a fait accompli that Rome would fail.

No doubt at the end there were brave individuals who fought to preserve the Empire but even they eventually gave up or died.

The failure of the Roman Empire saddens me because great men had fought and bled and died to create it and then lesser men squandered the legacy they had inherited as if it were nothing. And in time it became nothing.

You see this phenomenon again and again in human society.

Great men build something and subsequent generations squander it.

Russia right now is being squandered by selfish and venal men. Europe is deindustrializing in the foolish assumption that doing so will save the planet while China and India increase pollution because they're busy industrializing. The USA is not far behind Europe.

The USA might last another 100-200 years. Maybe. Or it could start coming apart next year.

Democrat efforts to scheme and use legal tricks to keep Donald Trump out of the Presidential Election could lead to civil war and a breakup of the USA. Or Texas could decide to go their own way and other states will follow.


If the USA does come apart then no end of idiots will declare that they saw it coming. But just like the Romans before them they'll have been in denial over the signs of decline and they will have done nothing to stop it. They're too busy watching sports or porn and they have no time for God and they don't dare do anything that someone might see as patriotic. :(

If the USA fails it will be because people have ceased believing in it. Any outside invasions will merely be a symptom of the rot within.
 
People lost faith in the idea of Rome. From there it was a fait accompli that Rome would fail.
Absolutely correct.

And it's broader than just the USA, Europe and the Commonwealth are falling also. And it's because people have lost faith in the idea of the West - because they have lost faith in the idea of Christendom, which is what became the West.

Even the Western Christians don't believe in Christendom - they believe in a coming anti-Christian empire which will destroy the remnants of Christendom before Jesus snatches everyone away and saves the day, they do not believe in the triumphant expansion of Christianity across the world. This was not the case while the West was founded. It was the belief in the expansion of Christendom that fueled the expansion of the British Empire - sure the people on top might have had more nefarious agendas to get personally rich, but the common man saw missionaries taking the Gospel to heathen regions of the world, and the Empire followed the missionaries once the natives were civilised. It was the mission work that formed the foundation that the Empire rightly or wrongly built on - and the Empire formed the support structure that allowed the mission work to expand further. When WW1 came around, people all over the Commonwealth volunteered to serve, not knowing the detail of the war really, but believing that the Empire was a work of God that needed them now. And many got to march under its banner into Jerusalem, liberating it from the Muslims, confirming in their minds that they were truly fighting on the side of God. While the American colonists, even while they split from the Empire, saw themselves as furthering a work of God. Go back further, and spreading Catholicism was key to public support of the Spanish conquest of South America. Spreading Christendom was always intertwined with the expansion of the West. At least in the minds of the people.

So the whole West is now foundationless, every other philosophy it claims to be about (e.g. democracy) is hollow without the foundation.
 
With no Rock-solid foundation a structure will not stand, whether that be empires, nations, families or churches. Compromise on the Truth is inevitably fatal, and that's the slow train wreck we have the sad privilege of observing across the globe.
 
Rome fell for a variety of tangible reasons but the greatest reason it fell was that the Roman people were no longer enamored of their own empire. It had become endemically corrupt and the people who bore the brunt of abuse were the people at the lowest rungs of society. Those people were the slaves, the farmworkers, the craftsmen, the artisans, and etc. They were heavily taxed while their rulers employed schemes and artifices (or bribes) to avoid taxation.

People lost faith in the idea of Rome. From there it was a fait accompli that Rome would fail.

No doubt at the end there were brave individuals who fought to preserve the Empire but even they eventually gave up or died.
It was opposite. Elite never imagined it would fail and barbarians wanted to become Romans since it was always so

Late Empire wasn't able to integrate Romans due to lack of money. Previous path was recruitment in auxilia with 20 years of paid service to learn Latin and culture. Without money barbarians stayed under control of their kings inside Roman borders.

And barbarians learned organisation from Rome, so threat wasn't anymore chieftain with tribe, but king with tribal confederacy. Far more dangerous opponent. In East situation got worse where Parthians got replaced with Sassanins, true peer to Rome.

Additional reason is 100x of imperial bureaucracy. Diocletians has 35000 bureacrats, while same number at start of 200s was 300. So taxes had to up to pay for all these people (and for larger, more expensive, less effective) army. Result was total crushing of economy. Instead of army being payed in money, army had to go to collect grain which implies that Meditterean- wide trade network has collapsed. So fall in production crashes living standard which get hits again by ever larger taxes.

And don't forget that bureaucracy will create more and more laws to fix problems created by overabudance of laws. So again crushing economy. Don't forget that in such situation path to wealth isn't throught market anymore, but throught political means. Bribery, new laws, army.

This was all only payable throught dilution of metal content in money. We call that today money printing will all joys then as now.

So population runned to barbarians because there were no/low taxes. Or they stopped being free men and become coloni under protection of rich landowner who was powerful enough to have no/reduced taxes. Think how powerful you had to be to run away taxmen.

This has all resulted in massive wealth inequality in order of magnitude of elite being 10,000 times (not a typo) richer than regular population. This people could easily become independent and raise army to defend themselved, but didn't. They too believed in Rome.

Result was massive social instability. In Early Republic, it was more like confederacy of 1000s cities. Each city run itself, with very light taxes for army and foreign policy under Rome's preemience. Now all local distinction and indepedence were getting destroyed. So local politics wasn't important anymore, while imperial policy got more important. Which made getting in favor with emperor more important which raised stakes in fight and made fights more vicious. Now it was truly fight for life or death.

Emporers tried to unify empire using religion which resulted in first pagans prisecuting Christians, then opposite. Emperors throught if all people shared religion infighting will stop. Well, they did opposite. And true reason was all infigting was destruction of any local independence.

Belief in Rome was too powerful even after it died. Justinian tried to restore it. And even when rulers couldn't do anything, they still copied bureaucracy aspect with same end result. Crushing economy results in whole system collapsing and getting more localised.

Best what Roman Empire did was it died. And I hope that idea of powerful empire finally dies.

West had become what is was thanks to being unable to centralize itself ever again. Otherwise we would finish as Chinese. Powerful advances forward stopped by eunuch in imperial palace.
 
State in Late Roman Empire stage believes it has no rivals and everything is fine.

Same things:

1.Neverending growth of bureacracy
2. Rivals unable to be defeated
3. Money printing
4. Lot's of population hates it
5. Impotent army
Impotent army!?!? Do you even want to be taken seriously?
 
Impotent army!?!? Do you even want to be taken seriously?
Its not anymore 1990s or 2000s when everyone was scared of US army.

It doesn't have now clear supremacy. Romans could be counted to crush all their enemies. At worst they needed several tries, but final victory was always certain. Even against peer powers.

Not true now for US.
 
Its not anymore 1990s or 2000s when everyone was scared of US army.

It doesn't have now clear supremacy. Romans could be counted to crush all their enemies. At worst they needed several tries, but final victory was always certain. Even against peer powers.

Not true now for US.
And who exactly is our equal militarily?
 
@MemeFan and @The Revolting Man, how many times have you argued over how strong the US military is? And why? Surely the facts are reasonably clear and agreed upon as both of you have said pieces of them in the past.

The US military is still the strongest in the world. It is in decline, but on paper there is no single country that can match it yet.

Yet there are still serious geopolitical implications of the changing balance of power even while the US remains supreme, because as its excess capacity reduces, its ability to project power and support allies in their wars reduces. And because the US is spread across the world, it may be beatable in an individual theatre where a subset of the US military faced the entire military of another country. As a result, the US will eventually be forced to retreat to its original stance of non-interference in other countries, or at least not beyond the Americas - a situation which even @The Revolting Man has said that he sees as inevitable and would welcome. And which, honestly, is a very bad thing for the security of the countries where you and I live @MemeFan, but is still something we need to recognise as inevitable, whether it occurs next year or in 50 years. It's just a natural cycle.
 
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