Are you just adding background, or do these points directly involve the discussion? I don’t understand your response.
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Angels vs demons
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Elsewhere, it says we will judge the angels, so our present state may be temporal.
This verse is not saying that if someone is spiritual they will be given extra biblical revelation, It is speaking about the Gospel.
In 1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV, it says:
[18] “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”
If you go back and read 1 Corinthians 2, you will see the context, the Gospel (Jesus Christ and him crucified) is what the Spirit of God helps us to understand.
In Proverbs 30:5-6 KJV, we are admonished about adding to God’s word
[5] “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. [6] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
I’m assuming by “positive” you mean good? The scripture apeaks in terms of good and evil not positive and negative. Those terms come from the false religions of the east.
Well, Psalm 91:11 tells us that God gives his angels charge over us, so it must be good that we know that. It does not say that we have an individual angel assigned directly to us. To say that it does would be adding something to the text that isn’t there.
I heard of guardian angels and the sort, But honestly know nothing about them other than in scripture guardian angels are not present.
There are 2 main groups of Angels the ones that still serve God, and the Fallen.
Demons I have have heard occupy a third category. It has been taught that they are the result of the Sons of God laying with the daughters of men, that the souls of these unions upon death were left here in the service of the fallen. I have heard a preacher teach this before. I researched it but was unable to prove it scriptural.
A few thing can be proven though.
1.Angels must predate man. " the morning star was in the garden, there were others with God in the events of Genesis.
2.Angels were made to serve God not man. "several examples of angles obeying God as messengers and other matters."
3.Angels can disobey God. " An angel tried to overthrow God"
4.The Morning Star, tried to gain complete control of Gods angels and usurp him. " He was Cast from heaven"
5. The Morning star, wanting control does the same thing to mankind ruling them through false systems of control. "He offered all if Christ would bow and serve him"
Was satan actually given authority over the other fallen angels in the bible? If not could some of the problems man has simply be infighting between them for control over man kind to rule as gods.
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Interesting, so this brings up the seedline thread, I don't know how to embed whole thread series.
>YFW nobody reads your book but it's cool because God let you into heaven first.
@Asforme&myhouse--that might possibly be it, but I seem to remember a couple of verses specifically referencing the angels not able to understand our salvation. The one you gave IS a good on along the lines I mentioned. Thank you bunches!
I’ll keep looking
Edit: I’m pretty sure that’s the only place that mentions it.
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I believe there are multiple mysteries in the Word that are only understood through the teaching, guidance, digging, and searching out of Scripture conveyed or facilitated through the operations of the Holy Spirit. The natural man doesn't even desire to know these mysteries, and most believers are too content to sit in front of their pastor/pope week in and week out to get their "daily bread". Those nuggets are definitely imbedded in the Word for those who wish to dive in and dig them out! You don't hear this term often--"spelunking". It's what the Bereans did with the Scriptures. They were called "Bereans" because they "ransacked" the Word for truth. In this day of famine of the Word--it's what we got to do! Then we've got to share with our brothers and sisters who like us are thirsting for truth.
@steve--well at the least I thought I was participating in the conversation regarding Angels vs. Demons. I was merely trying to add to the concept of Angels.
Ah yes the Bereans, those blessed, joyful, skeptics
@Ancient Paths True, hadn't thought of it like that. So then that brings to mind the questions, "Why would we be judging angels?" "Upon what criteria would our judgment stand?" "When would mere humans be in a position that allowed us to judge those who have been ministering to us for our entire lives as believers?" Not trying to derail your thread @steve, but this is indeed an interesting topic, and I'm glad it's up on the forum thanks to you.
Okay, so now that you've brought it up--I've never understood "nephilim". Who are they? From where did they come? They are mentioned several times in OT. In my reading I've always thought they were human, but now you are mentioning them in the angelic realm. My brain is spinning--HELP?!?
@Slumberfreeze -- Is this the Book of Enoch? Connection to angels?>YFW nobody reads your book but it's cool because God let you into heaven first.
Some think that the sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6 are fallen angels who came down and had sex with human women and produced strange human/angel hybrids known as the nephilim.