solomon asked God for wisdom so he was wise was it pointing us back to his life for some reason?
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Did Jesus have an issue with money?
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So then handling it isn't sinful?
exodus 20
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. "This could be taken as period as in anything that exists, It is understood that it refers to things that God had created like trees, stars, animals, things like that"
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "this is where false Gods like those in pagan religions are prohibited also in verse 3"
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. "This could be taken as period as in anything that exists, It is understood that it refers to things that God had created like trees, stars, animals, things like that"
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "this is where false Gods like those in pagan religions are prohibited also in verse 3"
no, it would defile a holy person like christ. like how samson could not touch something that was dead. It is not stated that Christ could not touch money. but it is clearly something that having upon his person could have discredited him and his message.
as I have stated repeatedly its not sin to handle it for normal everyday people. it is to serve it, or to worship it which is what were are programed to do since the day were born.
example: mr johnsons credibility was ruined as a missionary on the streets of compton because of the homosexual porno mag that he carried in his back pocket.
examlple mrs johnsons credibility as a christian missionary is questionable because of the satantic baphomet symbol she wore around her kneck and the tattoo reading 24 7 666.
Had christ handled money he would not have been a perfect sacrifice, though in doing so he would not have sinned.
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So if an object in and of itself isn't sinful just how people treat it then as long as Jesus didn't make an idol of money then touching it is no issue. He would have remained sinless, but He would not have remained perfect?
I think you lost me.
no, and him being sinless was not the only factor determining him to be the sacrifice for mankind either. It simply existing violated the ten commandments as making it did, so did the fact that others worshiped it, and served it. so no he would have not remained perfect had he handled it. what I am saying is very clear here.
yes I do, it simply existing would have violated the biblical law. him carrying it would have made him unfit to die for your sins. as it was something that was unclean prehaps not listed levitically but unclean none the less. as its creation violated the second commandment.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
It could in fact be a sin for a person to carry it as it would symbolize a faith in its value and dedication to obtaining it and serving it. I cant say that for sure though because the Bible does not specify. Would it be a sin to carry a statue of a pagan god with you to trade for things. Idk possibly so as simply possessing it can make a statement as to your allegiance. and Christ Him self said. 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. that verse to me means he could not be seen handling it if any ever did.
its like trying to say that smoking is a sin. yeah it defiles your body that is a temple. But its never listed as a sin. and insecnse was burned in a temple. could smoke be considered inscense did its used over time stick to the walls and damage the temple? It is a gray area. But I believe had he handled money he could not have been a perfect sacrifice from all of the evidence that I have seen from the bible. and I also believe smoking to be a sin.
You clearly explain why smoking is not a sin, because scripture never condemns it, then turn around and say it's a sin anyway.
It would be equally valid to say:
"It's like saying polygamy is a sin. Yeah it might have the potential to contribute to marital difficulties. But it's never listed as a sin.
But I also believe polygamy to be a sin."
Which is basically what the church says, just not that clearly.
This is exactly the sort of confused thinking most of us are trying to get away from.
It's what George Orwell called "doublethink" - the ability to hold two contradictory ideas in your mind and fully believe both of them despite the fact that they contradict each other.
No I say that it is something that I consider a sin as i feel that the verse saying not to defile your temple applies to it being a sin. Others do use the excuse that it is not because incense was burned in temples. so there is no double think here. unless stating both sides of the argument is double think. to some its not listed as a sin. but to me the verse about not defiling your temple and your body being a temple makes it a sin.
polygamy is also not a sin as it is Biblical defended all throughout the bible. I personally don't think I would engage in the practice unless G0d specifically led me to do so as it potentially causes emotional pain in ones helpmate from its very nature. But it is not sin. neither is it adultery.
i however do not accuse you of confused thinking. as you now should clearly see that I have every biblical right to determine smoking to be sin. as it indeed does defile the temple that is ones own body.
should I not have stated others arguments against my determination. as there are in almost all cases involving such things?
polygamy is also not a sin as it is Biblical defended all throughout the bible. I personally don't think I would engage in the practice unless G0d specifically led me to do so as it potentially causes emotional pain in ones helpmate from its very nature. But it is not sin. neither is it adultery.
i however do not accuse you of confused thinking. as you now should clearly see that I have every biblical right to determine smoking to be sin. as it indeed does defile the temple that is ones own body.
should I not have stated others arguments against my determination. as there are in almost all cases involving such things?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if that verse is saying what you say it’s saying, then it is a lot more restrictive then what you have said so far.
Exodus 20:4 KJV
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
“Any likeness of any thing” would include photographs, videos, written words, blueprints, charades, children (especially twins) or a duplicate of anything (clothes, tents, houses, cars, anything of which there is aleady one)
It doesn’t say any likeness of anything God created, it says “any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth”.
This is a commandment of God, therefore to disobey is sin, not just an “uncleanness”. So by your own logic you are living in sin and you need to repent.
You are very right the nitty gritty of what it actually says is not very pretty here. I even loosely interpret it. and yes I do repent daily as it does weigh heavily upon my very spirit and soul.
You do realize the implications of this right??
that is in the heavens above is what that covers so I guess a picture of a rainbow is out of the question. Ah I see we finally have the homosexuals right where we want them them and that rainbow flag violate the second commandment. Good work. Now they will have to turn from their use of the symbol as it violates our beliefs.
God wrote the Ten Commandments on tablets of stone. Jesus wore clothes. Jesus was nailed to a cross, and He had a crown of thorns pressed onto His head. Your logic doesn’t hold water.