Bartato: You're either a liar, or a fool. Because NO ONE here is doing this, and everyone who has read it at ALL knows that:
Teaching that the works of the law are necessary for salvation/justification...
Fine, you don't want to listen to me: great. You don't read either, so no loss. After all,
"If ye believe not His Writings, how shall ye believe My Words?"
As for this:
...you never said that people were saved by grace alone, through faith alone, based on Christ and His saving Work alone, to the glory of God alone.
If you agreed on that, we could have an honest and fruitful discussion about the Law.
No, for several reasons. You don't 'discuss', you don't read what you don't want to see; you don't even address the issues.
One, and I won't repeat it again. It's not about "the Law," it's His Instruction. Even those here who don't agree at least have the integrity to admit THAT distinction has been made.
More importantly, you have proven one thing. You worship a different god than the Son of Yah Who Wrote His Word for us, and said He wouldn't change
"one yod or tiddle of it."
Quite frankly, you keep calling Him a liar, and you just plain piss me off. And then you have the gall to prattle about the "glory of God."
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For anyone else still actually interesting in "rightly dividing the Word of Truth":
Have you ever tried to talk to a TNKH-literate believing Jew about "Jesus"? I have, many times. (But I start by making the distinction, as I will explain.) And I can guarantee those of you who have not, that if you approach them with "grace alone, by faith alone" in a "jesus, who did away with the Law" - you will RIGHTFULLY see their backside. They will know what the (idiot? liar?) here won't admit: That such a "jesus" is a FAKE, and 'the Truth is not in him.' No wonder they changed the Name.
A 'jesus' who did away with ANY of His Torah is disqualified from being even a crappy 'messiah.' Much less the Son of YHVH. There's no debate. And those who start there, finish before they start, with ANYONE who actually knows that "OLD Testament."
And we didn't even get to Deuteronomy 13. Much less Paul, 'as twisted.'
What I find "funny," albeit disgusting, is that Torah-observant Jews who literally HATE the crap they've taken from "Jesus-pushers" invariably, after a more fruitful discussion than THIS has been, will readily admit that they see a BIG difference between the Yahushua that saved ME and a "jesus" that they've heard about all of their lives, and detest with vehemence, because they KNOW that one is a lie. And most I've talked to could do a better job than the last few posters here of quoting Scripture to prove why.
Were this a real discussion, people might begin to see why the Whore Church and Whore Synagogue, both whoring wives, both STILL in rebellion to Him, and thus exile, have been literally killing each other for centuries.