I personally believe Heaven is with G-d and Hell is outside the Golf outside of Heaven and yet all with G-d.
But far on the outer areas.
I've often thought the same but wasn't sure if it was correct or not.There is no Hell because that implies that Jesus has failed in His mission of saving humankind.
Hell also implies that Lord can't do what He desires: save everyone.
It also implies that our will is more important than His will and that He doesn't any tools to make us willing choose what He wants.
Don't ask me about afterlife. All I know is there are firstborn and Lord will save all.
It was late. I will work on a reply.Your image is quite amusing, given your misspelling of gulf. I now have a mental image of heaven being surrounded by a golf course, but if you hit the ball too far it lands in hell and there's no getting it back...
Just laugh at yourself. It was funny. It's a good question, and you've started us discussing it in good humour. Excellent.It was late.
Just laugh at yourself. It was funny. It's a good question, and you've started us discussing it in good humour. Excellent.
Again this implies Christ failure.It's not correct. There are people who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life, who are destined for eternity with God - and people who are not written in that Book, who are destined for destruction and who will not be saved (Revelation 20:12-15).
So there is a place where people go who are saved (commonly labelled "heaven"), and a place where people go who are not saved (commonly labelled "hell").
Now, I don't hold to the standard view on either of those places. Although I started with the standard view, my own studies have led me to the view that:
Other views on both of these places are possible - such as the traditional view of each to start with - and we could certainly discuss that, I could obviously be wrong on the details. But to deny that one of the two exists, and hold that all people will be saved regardless of whether they choose to follow Christ or not, and regardless of their conduct in this life, is to deny too much of scripture.
- The saved will be placed on a restored earth, recreated as the Garden of Eden as a perfect place for us.
- The unsaved will be held for a period in what we call "hell" (sheol), but not forever. They will be destroyed along with death itself in the lake of fire, so they will not exist alongside the restored earth (in other words, I'm an annihilationist). As a result, from this point on, all the people who still exist will be saved.
If we must choose to follow Christ to be saved, there will be unsaved people, which implies there will be a place those unsaved people will be sent, and that place is (arguably incorrectly) commonly referred to as "hell". So "hell" exists. The right question is "what is hell" (where is it, does it exist forever or temporarily, is it a place of torment or not, should we even call it "hell" or is that the wrong word etc), not "is there a hell".
I saw hell as more of an "eternal death."It's not correct. There are people who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life, who are destined for eternity with God - and people who are not written in that Book, who are destined for destruction and who will not be saved (Revelation 20:12-15).
So there is a place where people go who are saved (commonly labelled "heaven"), and a place where people go who are not saved (commonly labelled "hell").
Now, I don't hold to the standard view on either of those places. Although I started with the standard view, my own studies have led me to the view that:
Other views on both of these places are possible - such as the traditional view of each to start with - and we could certainly discuss that, I could obviously be wrong on the details. But to deny that one of the two exists, and hold that all people will be saved regardless of whether they choose to follow Christ or not, and regardless of their conduct in this life, is to deny too much of scripture.
- The saved will be placed on a restored earth, recreated as the Garden of Eden as a perfect place for us.
- The unsaved will be held for a period in what we call "hell" (sheol), but not forever. They will be destroyed along with death itself in the lake of fire, so they will not exist alongside the restored earth (in other words, I'm an annihilationist). As a result, from this point on, all the people who still exist will be saved.
If we must choose to follow Christ to be saved, there will be unsaved people, which implies there will be a place those unsaved people will be sent, and that place is (arguably incorrectly) commonly referred to as "hell". So "hell" exists. The right question is "what is hell" (where is it, does it exist forever or temporarily, is it a place of torment or not, should we even call it "hell" or is that the wrong word etc), not "is there a hell".
This particular debate could get hairy. Hell isn’t well defined in the Bible and methinks that was by design.I saw hell as more of an "eternal death."
This particular debate could get hairy. Hell isn’t well defined in the Bible and methinks that was by design.
Our creator gave us the choice to follow his will or not. Thus we have rules and laws that He means for us to follow. No one is perfect, but if repentance is there He will forgive.There is no Hell because that implies that Jesus has failed in His mission of saving humankind.
Hell also implies that Lord can't do what He desires: save everyone.
It also implies that our will is more important than His will and that He doesn't any tools to make us willing choose what He wants.
Our creator gave us the choice to follow his will or not. Thus we have rules and laws that He means for us to follow. No one is perfect, but if repentance is there He will forgive.
Yes, He loves all people but that does not mean all will be saved. He meant for all the angels to be with him for eternity, yet Lucifer and the other angels fell with no forgiveness possible. His will involves us making the choice to love and serve Him. Jesus came to wash away the sins of all mankind, but not everyone chooses to accept that gift.