Yeah, I don’t remember specifically, he may have had to capture scribes on a number of different occasions or he may have held the same ones captive for years to write it, but it was something along those lines.
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Who is "Allah"?
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I'm not so sure that's ultimately not a 'distinction without a difference,' Samuel.
It's true that too many self-described 'Christians' don't know His Name, don't really read His Word, and don't know what He said about a lot of things, certainly including marriage.
(And IF I ran into a 'wife' who didn't know her husband's real name, I'd admit to a certain skepticism...)
But the most knowledgeable people I know of who translate "Allah hu akbar" into English render it more properly as "Allah is GREATER." So, it's fair to ask...than Who?
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I have become convinced from history, and items related to comments above (and the crescent moon symbol, too) that "Allah" is the moon god. Not at all the same as Yahuah, and His Word makes that clear. As do the fruit of the alternative.
But, as to the bigger point: it is what I have argued based on Scripture, and the clear prophetic and historic descriptions of the "two wives" (Aholah and Aholabah), two houses, two kindgoms, two sticks.
And, both the 'whore church,' and the 'whore synagogue.' Always found it funny how each sees that terminology (and maybe even the idolatry) in the 'other house' - but not their own. And yet BOTH, undeniably, are STILL in exile ("shalach"-ed; put away.)
One denies the Saviour. The other denies what He said about Himself. And both prefer their own picture of what he'll be 'when he returns'.
Islam, at least, gives us an "outside" picture (mote) to point at, and maybe even see that "plank".
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Is Allah the generic name for 'god' or is it the personal name of their God?
If the later, different God.
Yes and that's a good thing.
"Then Jesus said to all of them, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it."
"“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple."
If you are to assert that our God is the same god as Allah then these quotes from the Koran must be true.
Enjoy.
"...now that a Book confirming their own has come to them from God, they deny it...they reply: 'We believe in what was revealed to us.' But they deny what has since been revealed, although it is truth...Say: 'Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel' (who has by God's grace revealed to you [Muhammad] the Koran as a guide...confirming previous scriptures)..will surely find that God is the enemy of the unbelievers.'...And now that an apostle has come to them from God confirming their own Scriptures, some of those to whom the Scriptures were given cast off the Book of God behind their backs...The unbelievers among the People of the Book, and the pagans, resent that any blessings should have been sent down to you from your Lord. " (Surah 2:88-, 98-, 103-)
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15)
"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)
"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)
"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)
"To those that declare: 'God has commanded us to believe no apostle unless he brings down fire to consume an offering,' say: 'Other apostles before me [Muhammad] have come to you with veritable signs and worked the miracle you asked for...If they reject you [Muhammad], other apostles have been rejected before you..." (Surah 3:183-)
"If you wish to replace a wife with another, do not take from her the dowry you have given her..." (Surah 4:20)
"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)
"Believers, do not approach your prayers when you are drunk, but wait till you can grasp the meaning of your words..." (Surah 4:43)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
"Try as you may, you cannot treat all your wives impartially." (Surah 4:126-)
"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
"The God will say: 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind 'Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?' 'Glory to You, 'he will answer, 'how could I ever say that to which I have no right?" (Surah 5:114-)
"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)
"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
"If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them." (Surah 8:51-)
"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)
"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)
"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)
"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111)
"'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)
"Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:7
"Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)
"You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order that you make money, if they wish to preserve their chastity." (Surah 24:33-)
"As for the faithful who do good works and believe what is revealed to Muhammad...He will forgive them their sins..." (Surah 47:1)
"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)
"Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord..." (Surah 55:52-66-)
Then Allah is not our God because God is not a deceiver.
Can we stop talking here about Allah as islamic god? This is Christian forum. Everybody here agrees that god as perceived in Islam is false. There is no value add here for such discussion.
Only interesting discussion are about other meaning of word Allah. If Christians before Islam have used word Allah to mean generic word for god, then praying to Allah is OK, as long it is to proper Allah (Lord).
Only interesting discussion are about other meaning of word Allah. If Christians before Islam have used word Allah to mean generic word for god, then praying to Allah is OK, as long it is to proper Allah (Lord).
"Allah" did not write the Quran. The Quran was dictated by a human under the influence of a demon pretending to be the angel Gabriel, to turn people away from God. It does so by mixing lies with a whole lot of truth to make the lies more convincing. This is not what I am talking about. As @MemeFan said, we all agree on the evils of Islam, there is nothing to debate there.
The question is about the meaning of the word "Allah".
The relevance to Christian ministry is how we relate to Muslims. Do we teach them that they misunderstand God and need to improve their understanding of Him (teach them to discern truth from lies, keep the truth they already know and correct the lies)? Or do we teach them that they have been worshipping a false god all their lives and need to throw away everything they know and start worshipping an entirely different god?
As we all agree Islam is wrong and we need to turn people away from Islam and towards Christianity, the profitable question to discuss is "how do we go about this?". And that is dependent upon the meaning of "Allah".
And you’re sure creating a false moral equivalency is the way to do that?
OK, so back to the pagan fertility goddess, 'ishtar' (although some might know her more-english-ized name "Easter," better.)
Her spring sacrifice time is coming soon; bunnies and eggs on sale... (well, the eggs will be a lot more expensive this year...) But more kids are being sacrificed than ever.
That's obviously a tall order. Most here at least know of one Big Lie they've been force-fed. There are just lots more.
So, a quick suggestion: During this utterly pagan 40 day time of 'weeping for Tammuz' and other related practices, take a quick read of Ezekiel chapters 8 through 9, to see what the One True Real Elohim, Whose Name has been expunged from most English Bibles, thinks about false worship.
And God did not personally write the Bible. Yet one book can be tested for truth and the other for lies.
Yes.
Word can have more than one meaning. Allah is such word. And word can change meaning throught time. Normal people when using "Easter" don't mean godness, but Christian holiday.
No, the question is whether or not "Allah" and the God of Abraham are the same.
I can purposely write about Sammy and say:
- Sammy graduated first in his class at Oxford in 1922.
- Sammy climbed Mount Everest long before anyone else did.
- Sammy fought in World War One.
- Sammy wrote most of the hits of the 1940's.
- Sammy played with Pink Floyd in 1980-1984.
- Sammy ran for US President in 2008
Now, am I writing about you or am I writing about a wholly different person?
Am I merely confused about who I am writing about or is there sufficient divergence from your life story to this person's story that we can conclude they are wholly different?
Or are we to assume that your name is Samuel therefore you must be the Sammy I'm writing about and that I'm merely misguided on a few key details?
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Sometimes people don't know the difference between a title and a proper noun - capitalized or not. I guess that's particularly true when it's a pagan 'diety'.
But understanding who that proper noun refers to SHOULD help to understand who they serve.
This talk about Easter has me thinking about how much I enjoy eaiCadbury mini eggs.
Please note thar I am not talking about the Cadbury creme eggs. I don't care much for those.
The term, "Allah" is not a name. "Allah" literally means GOD. It is a title. If you look into an Arabic translation of the Holy Bible you will quickly discover that wherever you see the word "GOD" in the English you will find "Allah" in the Arabic. The Jewish people (so-called) have a name that they might live but alas, they are dead. The Muslims don't know the name of their GOD. Only those who truly know Him in Spirit and in truth also know the name of GOD. Not as a mere verbal utterance as no flesh can utter the name of GOD perfectly. (Not even a rabbi can do this.) The name of GOD is a living name. To know the name of GOD you must experience it. Lip service isn't enough. How we pronounce the name of GOD and His Person is of little consequence if we don't know Him. GOD is a Spirit and they that worship Him (not "them") must worship Him in spirit and in truth. JESUS is indeed His Person.