Biblically dividing up your inheritance

[Daniel DeLuca]

I wonder if Russia ad Ukraine were governed by woman, if they would have gone to war over essential worthless lands in eastern Ukraine. I would think not. This war is fought by primates without logical thinking.

Ugh! Ukraine is not worthless land. It is the breadbasket of Eastern Europe. Ukraine cut off the water supply to Sevastapol after Russia took it over. Russia is facing the threat of NATO and the US going back on their word time and time again. Both of these countries have been in a no-win situation and the real culprit seems to be the globalists.

Regarding abortion, personally I think if one conceives a child both parents should raise them, and I generally frown upon abortion. Rape and situations were the health of the mother is concerned would be exceptions of course. However, I would not make it a law, in the end I view it as a personal decision.

So the baby conceived by rape, deserves to die???

That being said, I do find it curious that people who take a strict interpretation of the bible are vehemently against abortion. The bible says that life beings with the first breath, and if someone hits a pregnant woman, and the unborn child dies as a result, then as per the bible it is not punished as murder (death penalty) but instead the father gets to determine the amount. So basically, biblically the unborn child gets treated as an object and its destruction needs to be financially compensated. Personally I disagree with the bible in this case, but bible thumpers are being a bit hypocritical here.

The Bible also says that the life of the flesh is in the blood.

“When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. (Exodus 21:22-25)

That is probably a poor translation. We have other translations that indication the pregnant mother gives birth prematurely.

“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows.

The word could mean "miscarriage" or not, but that is not a concrete enough argument to stand on.

 

[Maia]

I understand your confusion...

You gave such an intellectually bankrupt statement, and now you are cowering in a thread I cannot reply to. That was some Beta move. At east I confirmation of my assessment.

Ugh! Ukraine is not worthless land. It is the breadbasket of Eastern Europe.

What could all that money wasted on the war been used for to improve agriculture?

Ukraine cut off the water supply to Sevastapol after Russia took it over.

Why would they not do that? Who is so stupid as to supply water to the enemy? It is not as if the water is needed for the inhabitants of Sevestapol, the water via the ditch is used for agriculture, and industry.

Russia is facing the threat of NATO and the US going back on their word time and time again.

Speaking of going back on their word, Russia not only agreed to accept the Ukraine borders of 1990, they actually declared themselves to be a protectorate. Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons for that treaty. A huge miscalculation on their part in retrospect of course.

Russia has embarrassed itself. The country that has self assessed itself to be one of the most powerful on earth, is relying on North Korea and Iran, an act that can only be described as desperation. Fabled Russian weapons like S-400 have shown themselves incapable of stopping something like a Storm Shadow missile from attacking a Brigadier level command headquarter in broad daylight, with civilians pulling out their phones to shot videos. I guess the verdict is still out their if their technology is shit, or if they are just to incompetent to use them With the exception of a few shiny toys like Storm Shadow, NATO has supplied Ukraine with things like 1980s era Patriots, ATACMS that were scheduled to be scrapped - and that the Pentagon now conveniently does not need to recycle for billions - and yet this old outdated tech is proving to be a challenge to the glorious Russina army.

I think it has become clear that in a conventional war NATO would absolutely wipe the floor with these clowns, and have uncontested air dominance over Moscow in 24 hours. And the Russians know that. That is why people like Medvedev keep beating the nuclear drum. They know that is all they have.

Both of these countries have been in a no-win situation and the real culprit seems to be the globalists.

Globalists? That sounds like a nouveau term for bourgeoisie.

So the baby conceived by rape, deserves to die???

So the mother deserves to be confronted by the rape everyday for nine month? What anguish would you force onto people?

The Bible also says that the life of the flesh is in the blood.

Which means nothing in this context.

That is probably a poor translation. We have other translations that indication the pregnant mother gives birth prematurely.

“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows.

The word could mean "miscarriage" or not, but that is not a concrete enough argument to stand on.

It is quite clear.


Generally abortions should be avoided and it is deplorable how proponents for abortion are handling the situation, with protests in vagina costumes and all that, they made a mockery out of a very somber situations, but society getting involved is also a problem. If s state can force a woman to give birth, what else can they force one to do?

My main problem with the anti-abortion crowd in the USA is that they as a society they want to interfere in the birth of child ,but then once the child is born, they wash their hands of it, and the baby could die in the street for all they care, an anti abortion is only credible if the advocate for paid maternity leave of no less then 12 month as is the case in Europe, also get a decent schools system installed, and for God's sake solve that school shooting situation that is so rampant in the USA. And parents with basic jobs should not have to worry about how they will pay for diapers.

 

[The Revolting Man]

So the mother deserves to be confronted by the rape everyday for nine month? What anguish would you force onto people?

Birth is best example of catharsis there is. The pregnancy and birth may be the single best way for a rape victim to process and expel the trauma of the rape.

But either way; rape and abortion both are violent and unnatural traumas. You don’t treat a brutalized woman with a further brutalization.

 

[MemeFan]

How do poly men handle this? Are you torn on several sides?

Any volunteers for answer except @The Revolting Man?

@steve, @Mark C, @frederick, @paterfamilias

 

[Daniel DeLuca]

What could all that money wasted on the war been used for to improve agriculture?

I'm not sure Putin anticipated the amount of resources the United States would waste trying to assist the Ukraine, but then again, the gamble could be by impacting the US economically, in the grand scheme, the US push for globalization has been weakened.

Why would they not do that? Who is so stupid as to supply water to the enemy? It is not as if the water is needed for the inhabitants of Sevestapol, the water via the ditch is used for agriculture, and industry.

And why would Russia not want to respond, especially when they see the naval base as critical to their security?

Speaking of going back on their word, Russia not only agreed to accept the Ukraine borders of 1990, they actually declared themselves to be a protectorate. Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons for that treaty. A huge miscalculation on their part in retrospect of course.

And then the pusch happened. They see it as an agreement with a regime that is no longer in power.

Russia has embarrassed itself. The country that has self assessed itself to be one of the most powerful on earth, is relying on North Korea and Iran, an act that can only be described as desperation. Fabled Russian weapons like S-400 have shown themselves incapable of stopping something like a Storm Shadow missile from attacking a Brigadier level command headquarter in broad daylight, with civilians pulling out their phones to shot videos.

The technology is inferior to US technology for sure. They may have expected to overrun the Ukraine, but the US and her allies have treated the Ukraine like it was a NATO partner. Nonetheless, the border is further to the West than it started out, and is now in a stalemate. The biggest concern is whether this is just the precursor to WWIII or not.

I guess the verdict is still out their if their technology is shit,

That is just not attractive, and we don't talk like that in the DeLuca household.

or if they are just to incompetent to use them With the exception of a few shiny toys like Storm Shadow, NATO has supplied Ukraine with things like 1980s era Patriots, ATACMS that were scheduled to be scrapped - and that the Pentagon now conveniently does not need to recycle for billions - and yet this old outdated tech is proving to be a challenge to the glorious Russina army.

Well it has succeeded in stalling them, in addition to natural boundaries AKA the Dnieper.

I think it has become clear that in a conventional war NATO would absolutely wipe the floor with these clowns, and have uncontested air dominance over Moscow in 24 hours. And the Russians know that. That is why people like Medvedev keep beating the nuclear drum. They know that is all they have.

And Germany was convinced that they could just kick the door down and the whole edifice would crumble. WWIII may seem enticing, until our children start coming home in body bags. You main point is that if a woman were in power, Russia would not have invaded the Ukraine. You may be right, but it is not so cut and dry that this would have been the best move to allow NATO to creep further and further east, until it was on the doorstep of Moscow, at least from Russia's perspective. Looking back at Russian's history though, the empire did at one time have a woman at the helm, and the empire prospered under her reign. You could say they were a bit expansionist.

Globalists? That sounds like a nouveau term for bourgeoisie.

One World government, has long been a goal of these ruling elite. It doesn't matter whether those elites are businessmen or despots. They need to be held in check.

So the mother deserves to be confronted by the rape everyday for nine month? What anguish would you force onto people?

Projecting what you might imagine would be anguish, is sort of like the monogamists projecting the hurt they imagine that women in polygynous marriages must be experiencing on a daily basis. The guiding principle is that the life of an innocent human being takes precedence.

Which means nothing in this context.

Not only is the child inside its mother's womb, pumping blood, but it also receives oxygen through the umbellical cord.

It is quite clear.

Miscarriage does not always result in death. It simply means the unborn child wasn't fully carried to term. The ambiguity and what can get muddled in translation, leaves your argument on questionable footing.

Generally abortions should be avoided

Generally murder should be avoided. In fact, societies should generally have laws to protect the innocent from being mercilessly slaughtered.

and it is deplorable how proponents for abortion are handling the situation, with protests in vagina costumes and all that, they made a mockery out of a very somber situations,

It is even more deplorable how some states want to and some have legislatively allowed abortions up to the moment of birth, and allowed children born when abortion did not bring about their death, to die of starvation in these butcher mills, without any consequences.

but society getting involved is also a problem.

A just society intervening in attempting to prevent senseless murder is not a problem.

If s state can force a woman to give birth, what else can they force one to do?

That sounds like what Germany did in their baby mills. That is an entirely different issue, and one I think we could agree on. It has nothing to do with the murder of unborn children though.

My main problem with the anti-abortion crowd in the USA is that they as a society they want to interfere in the birth of child ,

Nope! IT is the abortion crowd that wants to interfere with the child's birth.

but then once the child is born, they wash their hands of it, and the baby could die in the street for all they care,

Balderdash! The anti-abortion crowd is quite charitable, in spite of having to deal with hostile regulations in many of these left-leaning states.

an anti abortion is only credible if the advocate for paid maternity leave of no less then 12 month as is the case in Europe,

Or we could provide a society where these women find husbands, preferably prior to pregnancy. No maternatiy necessary for SAH moms or mothers in polygynous families.

also get a decent schools system installed,

In Europe, they deny some students an education, if they don't make the grade. In the US, we try to educate everyone, even those in broken homes. We spend an inordinate amount on Special Needs. We also pay for Europe's defense. Trump has made an effort to get them to spend more money on NATO, which of course will cost them on their social programs, but maybe if we aren't having to spend so much on defense for them, we can spend more of that money on our own social programs.

and for God's sake solve that school shooting situation that is so rampant in the USA

Some school districts have. They allow faculty to carry arms. When a school shooter finds an entire building full of defenseless humans, they like to make a name for themselves.

. And parents with basic jobs should not have to worry about how they will pay for diapers.

Or perhaps, if the man is not such a good wage earner, he should hold off on making babies, and allow those who are good wage earners to be the ones who are capable and responsible enough to do so.

 

[Maia]

Birth is best example of catharsis there is. The pregnancy and birth may be the single best way for a rape victim to process and expel the trauma of the rape.

But either way; rape and abortion both are violent and unnatural traumas. You don’t treat a brutalized woman with a further brutalization.

I do not see how I could view it as anything but the spawn of satan growing inside me. I am actually close to a gag reflex thinking about this. Remove the embryo then and let a volunteer carry it then.

I'm not sure Putin anticipated the amount of resources the United States would waste trying to assist the Ukraine, but then again, the gamble could be by impacting the US economically, in the grand scheme, the US push for globalization has been weakened.

This has pushed Finland and Sweden to join NATO, NATO's borders with Russia have almost doubled now. I guess Putin did not expect that either.

And why would Russia not want to respond, especially when they see the naval base as critical to their security?

Russia sees anyone one on their border that is not their vassal as a threat.

And then the pusch happened. They see it as an agreement with a regime that is no longer in power.


The technology is inferior to US technology for sure. They may have expected to overrun the Ukraine, but the US and her allies have treated the Ukraine like it was a NATO partner. Nonetheless, the border is further to the West than it started out, and is now in a stalemate. The biggest concern is whether this is just the precursor to WWIII or not.

We did not. Like I mentioned the only really advanced weapons they got were the UK and French supplied Storm Shadows. Besides that they got last Generation hand me down Patriots in older specs. And yet, the Russian air force is not operating behind the front, we are three years into this and they have zero air superiority, the only thing they can do is lob cruise missiles from far behind the borders.

Speaking of which, there are whispers in the press that Sweden will supply Saab Gripen aircraft to Ukraine, Europe can then supply the Meteor air to air missile, which has a striking distance far in excess of anything other air to air missile on the planet.

That is just not attractive, and we don't talk like that in the DeLuca household.

This is the language of the past and future President of the United States of America, the Presidents preferred vocabulary is not acceptable?

Well it has succeeded in stalling them, in addition to natural boundaries AKA the Dnieper.

And Germany was convinced that they could just kick the door down and the whole edifice would crumble. WWIII may seem enticing, until our children start coming home in body bags. You main point is that if a woman were in power, Russia would not have invaded the Ukraine. You may be right, but it is not so cut and dry that this would have been the best move to allow NATO to creep further and further east, until it was on the doorstep of Moscow, at least from Russia's perspective. Looking back at Russian's history though, the empire did at one time have a woman at the helm, and the empire prospered under her reign. You could say they were a bit expansionist.

I think the risk of WW3 is ebbed. IF Russian would have been able to just sweep over Ukraine in a week, as they anticipated, then that would embolden then, and then they would have set their sights on the Eastern EU countries. They have now been put in place.

Biggest risk to Europe is that this ends up with a Chinese vassal at the EU border, but that is a problem for another day.

One World government, has long been a goal of these ruling elite. It doesn't matter whether those elites are businessmen or despots. They need to be held in check.

I am by no means a turbo capitalists but language like Elites, globalists is uncomfortably close to Communist doctrine.

Projecting what you might imagine would be anguish, is sort of like the monogamists projecting the hurt they imagine that women in polygynous marriages must be experiencing on a daily basis. The guiding principle is that the life of an innocent human being takes precedence.


Not only is the child inside its mother's womb, pumping blood, but it also receives oxygen through the umbellical cord.


Miscarriage does not always result in death. It simply means the unborn child wasn't fully carried to term. The ambiguity and what can get muddled in translation, leaves your argument on questionable footing.


Generally murder should be avoided. In fact, societies should generally have laws to protect the innocent from being mercilessly slaughtered.

I find it curious that in the USA - I am generalizing I understand - the left is pro abrtion, but against the death penalty, and the right is anti abortion and pro death penalty.

It is even more deplorable how some states want to and some have legislatively allowed abortions up to the moment of birth, and allowed children born when abortion did not bring about their death, to die of starvation in these butcher mills, without any consequences.

Just before birth would indeed be unacceptable, up until the point of a developed consicness should be the limit. However, that should be up to medical professionals to decide.

A just society intervening in attempting to prevent senseless murder is not a problem.


That sounds like what Germany did in their baby mills. That is an entirely different issue, and one I think we could agree on. It has nothing to do with the murder of unborn children though.


Nope! IT is the abortion crowd that wants to interfere with the child's birth.


Balderdash! The anti-abortion crowd is quite charitable, in spite of having to deal with hostile regulations in many of these left-leaning states.

Nah, it depends on the state but in generally I would view the support of mothers as being lacking in the USA

Or we could provide a society where these women find husbands, preferably prior to pregnancy. No maternatiy necessary for SAH moms or mothers in polygynous families.

In an ideal world yes, but we do not live in an ideal world. Living has become so expensive that most people need double incomes.

In Europe, they deny some students an education, if they don't make the grade. In the US, we try to educate everyone, even those in broken homes. We spend an inordinate amount on Special Needs. We also pay for Europe's defense. Trump has made an effort to get them to spend more money on NATO, which of course will cost them on their social programs, but maybe if we aren't having to spend so much on defense for them, we can spend more of that money on our own social programs.

Europe does not deny an education, it is more strict imo, and one better lern to swim quickly. You cannot get rid of math and science as is possible in some USA states in high school. The USA is better at getting at getting certain low income groups into prosperity.

The NATO spending is one of the few things I would agree with Trump on.

Some school districts have. They allow faculty to carry arms. When a school shooter finds an entire building full of defenseless humans, they like to make a name for themselves.

That is dealing with the Symptoms, what about the curing the actual disease? Switzerland also has high gun ownership, yet they do no have an epidemic problems with school shootings, ad the Swiss president can use public transportation to get to work.

Or perhaps, if the man is not such a good wage earner, he should hold off on making babies, and allow those who are good wage earners to be the ones who are capable and responsible enough to do so.

Again, in an ideal world.

 

[Daniel DeLuca]

I do not see how I could view it as anything but the spawn of satan growing inside me. I am actually close to a gag reflex thinking about this. Remove the embryo then and let a volunteer carry it then.

This is not a bad option. Abortion however, is, plain and simple.

This has pushed Finland and Sweden to join NATO, NATO's borders with Russia have almost doubled now. I guess Putin did not expect that either.

Russia sees anyone one on their border that is not their vassal as a threat.

We did not. Like I mentioned the only really advanced weapons they got were the UK and French supplied Storm Shadows. Besides that they got last Generation hand me down Patriots in older specs. And yet, the Russian air force is not operating behind the front, we are three years into this and they have zero air superiority, the only thing they can do is lob cruise missiles from far behind the borders.

Speaking of which, there are whispers in the press that Sweden will supply Saab Gripen aircraft to Ukraine, Europe can then supply the Meteor air to air missile, which has a striking distance far in excess of anything other air to air missile on the planet.

OK, but the bottom line is whether a woman would have or should have done the same, and that is hard to tell, since no one has a crystal ball, and Putin was dealing with the current realities.

This is the language of the past and future President of the United States of America, the Presidents preferred vocabulary is not acceptable?

Not in our household. I honestly felt uncomfortable at the last Biblical Families retreat that I attended. My wife was there with me, and some of the other Biblical Families members who had been drinking, starting using vulgarities, and I got real uncomfortable fast! We didn't stay, not because of that, but because we had only planned to stay one night, but I was sure glad to get out of there! Suffice it to say that the next Mrs. DeLuca will not be using that kind of language. Trump has been a good President, but I wouldn't want him as a part of our home.

I think the risk of WW3 is ebbed. IF Russian would have been able to just sweep over Ukraine in a week, as they anticipated, then that would embolden then, and then they would have set their sights on the Eastern EU countries. They have now been put in place.

I don't think so. There are natural land barriers that would have given him some protection against any invading force. They have been held in check for sure, but they have gained more territory than when the war began.

Biggest risk to Europe is that this ends up with a Chinese vassal at the EU border, but that is a problem for another day.

Russia has never been nor ever will be a vassal to China. I will say that one good thing about Russia stalling and losing men, equipment, and resources, is that China has to think twice before launching an invasion into Taiwan.

I am by no means a turbo capitalists but language like Elites, globalists is uncomfortably close to Communist doctrine.

Nope! Communist doctrine is basically to sieze the assets of anyone whom they can demonize, in the name of doing so for "the people". We on the other hand are concerned about such elites siezing power and creating a monopoly on it, in an effort to enslave us, which is pretty much what the Communists did.

I find it curious that in the USA - I am generalizing I understand - the left is pro abrtion, but against the death penalty, and the right is anti abortion and pro death penalty.

It is always about protecting the life of the innocent. Now I am all for clearing the guilty, if and when it can be shown that injustice has been done. One such individual that comes to mind is Myon Burrell. We have massive problems with our judicial system, and one can only hope that this gets corrected when the swamp gets drained.

Just before birth would indeed be unacceptable, up until the point of a developed consicness should be the limit. However, that should be up to medical professionals to decide.

Which medical professionals do we elect to make that decision? I sort of like Ron Paul. Perhaps Ben Carson.

Nah, it depends on the state but in generally I would view the support of mothers as being lacking in the USA

We at Biblical Families are about making a difference.

In an ideal world yes, but we do not live in an ideal world. Living has become so expensive that most people need double incomes.

Some have worked harder than others thogh to achieve success; wouldn't you agree!

Europe does not deny an education, it is more strict imo, and one better lern to swim quickly. You cannot get rid of math and science as is possible in some USA states in high school. The USA is better at getting at getting certain low income groups into prosperity.

The NATO spending is one of the few things I would agree with Trump on.

Well if we got into a thread on things we may or not agree with Trump on, that would further derail this one, I suppose. I live here in Texas, so the illegal immigration problem is something that most certainly has been exascerbated the past four years. The whole Bidenomics inflation fiasco has likewise been disastrous. Have you had any exposure to Hillsdale or Prager University?

That is dealing with the Symptoms, what about the curing the actual disease? Switzerland also has high gun ownership, yet they do no have an epidemic problems with school shootings, ad the Swiss president can use public transportation to get to work.

No, it pretty much cures the disease when school shooters realize that if they attempt to shoot up those schools, they won't really make a name for themselves. They will be seen as foolish for having attempted to do so, and ending up riddled with bullets. That is pretty much a deterrent from making such an attempt, unless they are suicidal. I have not heard of one shooting incident at a school where they advertise that the faculty carries arms.

Again, in an ideal world.

In the world that we at Biblical Families are making a concerted effort to change.

 

[Daniel DeLuca]

I do not see how I could view it as anything but the spawn of satan growing inside me.

Well, not Satan per se, but indeed someone under his influence, for sure...someone who if I had any say, would be the victim of a justifiable homicide.

 

[frederick]

Any volunteers for answer except @The Revolting Man?

@steve, @Mark C, @frederick, @paterfamilias

We haven't had any issues or problems, so can't comment further.

 

[Patricia C]

There's more. The eldest son was to get a "double-portion," which is a frequent reference (in many ways) throughout Scripture.

It works thusly:

Take the number of sons, add one, and divide. Each son gets one part of that, the eldest gets two parts.

For example, for three sons, divide by four. Each son (number 2, and number 3) gets 1/4th, but the first-born gets one-half.

(For twelve sons - do the math. But, note - Joseph's portion was actually accomplished by putting HIS two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, in his place; so all got 1/13th. )

Note: The eldest son also got a RESPONSIBILITY, too! He was to be the head patriarch of the family.

But is it not also true that in many if not all of the Biblical stories of inheritance the first born inheritance was ultimately given to the second son?

I find the history of Cain and Abel, Ishmael and Isaac. Esau and Jacob. Fascinating. The siblings rivalry between Ishmael and Isaac continues today.

 

[Mark C]

But is it not also true that in many if not all of the Biblical stories of inheritance the first born inheritance was ultimately given to the second son?

Absolutely. And always with a message. ("Therefore, Esau despised his birthright...")

Reuben blew it, too.

 

[paterfamilias]

Any volunteers for answer except @The Revolting Man?

@steve, @Mark C, @frederick, @paterfamilias

Like pretty much all plural marriage family finance issues, my answer is going to be family trust. So vestiture in shares in the trust over time.
My own goal would be to keep a tight knit family even if I am overwhelmed by the zombie hoard. So land and properties etc would remain in the trust for the most part.

Personal possessions and my large chests full of bullion and other treasures...well, I suppose when I can see my doddering future before me, I would start gifting items to appropriate children.