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How much money should I be making before I get married?
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That's quite a SuperPC abuse of the English language, too. "Abuse of free speech," sounds like something Zohran and his ilk would say, to those "cold rugged individuals" that oppose totalitarianism.
But it encapsulates my gut reaction to malevolent censorship.
If the Truth of His Word isn't central to those 'issues' - then one of us is pushing "another jesus."
The 'mainstream' is WRONG. Or there is no need for a platform like this.
And if we are forbidden to even say that, the Adversary has won.
Freedom of Speech only applies to your ability to speak without having your basic right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness deprived. It does not apply to you coming onto someone else's platform and spouting whatever you want to say! If you don't believe me, try going into a lcal church, grabbing the microphone and explaining to the congregation why polygyny is not a sin.
Yeah, we are not having this debate regardless of how much you insist on doing so. The admins here have spoken. The moderator is doing a fantastic job of keeping the unity a,omg brethren. If you want to be divisive, you have your own platform and you can start your own forum on that platform. Best of luck!
Check the post that started this thread - again. Then look in the mirror.
You can speak about them. You’re encouraged to speak about them. What isn’t allowed here is excoriating people for not submitting to your interpretation of them, but you can talk about how the Pentateuch relates to your practice and understanding of patriarchy all you want.
Exactly, free speech doesn’t mean you have privileged speech or that your speech abrogates private property rights. It’s up to the individual to publish and promulgate his speech and no one else is obligated to listen, platform or amplify it. And opposing that is something a dirty communist would say. And all communists are dirty, no matter how they label themselves.
Which is why I have been reading here for years but have very few posts.
Man_in_the_Middle
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I deleted them.
Man_in_the_Middle
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It's kinda like Maduro... Maduro was the thought leader. If you support Madurio, you are not harassed. If you thought differently, your thoughts may just.... disappear. Everyone gets the message, don't oppose Maduro!
Oh what I would give for a President Trump!!
And his operation was 'private,' too - so nobody could argue with their diktats.
Hmmm
Entering a private space
Utilizing the speaking privileges of that space
Not paying to be on that private space
Complaining about rules in that space
Still not contributing financially to the space
Protesting removal from the private space
Insisting private spaces must endow the privileges of public spaces
Sounds like some blue haired snowflakes. Greta would be pleased.
Entering a private space
Utilizing the speaking privileges of that space
Not paying to be on that private space
Complaining about rules in that space
Still not contributing financially to the space
Protesting removal from the private space
Insisting private spaces must endow the privileges of public spaces
Sounds like some blue haired snowflakes. Greta would be pleased.
I am a 60 year old conservative. Married 42 years. Ordained minister 28 years. Greta is a complete idiote. It's nearly impossible to discuss biblical marriage without torah discussion.
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Man_in_the_Middle
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Mojo, I get this point. It is valid to point out the privately owned aspect of the forum BUT! This forum is a PUBLIC facing forum based on the premise of being focused on the biblical view of families. The forum claims to advocate for bible based concepts and ideals surrounding the topic of marriage.
It is our bible based conversations that are being moderated away because some powerful voices and admins advocate for ignoring bible concepts that lead many of us to believe in the patriarchy. Explaining how we come to believe that is verboten. I posted in this thread a list of bible verses showing why we believe the commandments of God are the foundation of our beliefs and did so without any chiding or condemnation toward others. That post was deleted.
That is the frustration that many of us feel around this issue. I am NOT claiming that we should have the freedom to blast others into believing the same way we do. I do not believe that it is our job to force anyone to believe anything. The bible says that the word of God is perfect for converting souls. - Psalms 19:7
I do believe that the word of God supports the idea of us being obedient to his ways according to our understanding of it.
For example, those that do not believe that they need to keep sabbath, because they do not yet see that they should, that if I am correct that it is a sin, that sin would be considered a sin of ignorance for them and it will be covered by the Day of Atonement sin offering done by the High Priest. That is his mercy at work for all of us that are in him.
This means that many of us will be doing things correctly in one area and incorrectly in another area as we learn and grow in our knowledge of God. Obedience does not imply that we know all things already. Obedience means that we obey that which our eyes have been opened to seeing.
That is God's mercy at work.
We are taught to search out the scriptures to know God. We are to test everything and learn of him and his ways.
I believe strongly that there will be those of us that thought we were doing things correctly and when full truth comes, we will be humbled to discover that we were not doing some of those things the way God intended us to. But for those of us whose hearts are humble before him, he will pardon us because we will immediately begin doing his will once it is revealed too us. That shows our love towards him.
I do not believe that Myself or anyone else on here is the Oracle that everyone needs to bow down and follow. We are fellow believers and I am sure we are getting some things wrong also. It is pride that would make us think that we know it all.
That said, the scripture does teach us to sharpen each other as iron sharpens iron.
Pro_27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
I quoted OT just now so this post may not last long... I pray though that you see this and understand where I am coming from.
Shalom...
this could be inappropriate of me to say and it is low-context since i'm sort of new around here but i will risk it cuz i might be right:
if we got muzzled on torah observance around here which it seems we have then i hasten to say tone probably had a lot to do with it.
mark, i value your perspective, but i value it less because you seem to me to be quite stubborn and you communicate really unsympathetically. in my opinion.
i could be wrong and the mods just dont want that around here no matter the tone but i dont think so.
if we got muzzled on torah observance around here which it seems we have then i hasten to say tone probably had a lot to do with it.
mark, i value your perspective, but i value it less because you seem to me to be quite stubborn and you communicate really unsympathetically. in my opinion.
i could be wrong and the mods just dont want that around here no matter the tone but i dont think so.
No one’s aid that you can’t discuss the Old Testament, especially as it relates to marriage and patriarchy. You’re right, it would be nigh impossible not to.
What’s proscribed is either advocating for or against a particular practice of the Christian religion outside of the Apostle’s Creed. That’s it. If your practice of Biblical marriage requires you to impose your denominational practices on other people then you really don’t understand what patriarchy is anyway.
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