Is Porn Use good for Christians?

[MemeFan]

You’ve made a logical error though, you have made polygyny universally applied, all men are polygynous, and then made polygyny and ideologically pure concept; i.e. it must mean that all men want as many wives as possible.

None of those things are self-evident. In fact they are demonstrably false. Not all men are polygynous, some men don’t even want one wife. I know a number of content bachelors. It stands to reason then that some men are likewise content with one, or even two.

But why stop at 12? That’s arbitrary. If all men want as many wives as possible and it’s possible for those wives to be content with minimal interaction as long as they’re properly socialized, why not have 13? 14? A 1,000?

Given your assumptions 12 seems quite unambitious.

Alternatively, maybe no one has refuted your statement logically because there’s not a logical basis to it. You picked random numbers and performed a simple math problem but one disconnected from any any practical parameters. Allow me to demonstrate.

Given a proper engine, say one capable of propelling a large craft exponentially faster than the speed of light, it should be possible for one to reach ludicrous speed.

That statement is technically correct given my assumption that such an engine could in fact be had. However, such an engine is not to be had. With the level of specificity I’ve supplied no one will be going plaid anytime soon. My statement is technically not illogical but it is functionally impossible.

Now your claim that women should be content with 3-4 hours of a husband’s time once a week does not have any internal contradictions that make it false in its face, but given my recent deep disappointment in modern engine technology I’m worried about getting hurt again so soon.

So the question becomes, is such a thing possible or is it like a hyper drive, a theoretically possible impossibility?

Have you heard that exception proves case?

Normal people only get horny at grown up people. We don't use pedophiles to prove that sentence before is false.

If there are several time more males than females, for females only one thing would change. Selecting"Mister Perfect" would get several times harder. Women can't get any reproductive advantage by sleeping with several men without taking high risks.

Opposite case is with men. Men get reproductive advantage by sleeping with more women. If there are several times more females than men, all your "content bachelors" would go for more ladies. Now they are pursuing more "realistic" strategy. Don't forget, many women aren't willing to share so some men "specialize" in them hiding their polygynyous desires.

 

[mrwill]

Sinful or not, porn use may be tolerated by a solo wife, if she’s not in the mood, but once you add more women, it’s impractical. They’ll all be a bit annoyed that you didn’t choose any of them and pleased yourself with your phone instead…

 

[FollowingHim]

Sinful or not, porn use may be tolerated by a solo wife, if she’s not in the mood, but once you add more women, it’s impractical. They’ll all be a bit annoyed that you didn’t choose any of them and pleased yourself with your phone instead…

As always, the solution to lust is marriage!

 

[Maddog]

If a man gets sex every night with a different wife, add another who will take up the interim. His exhaustion will catch up.

 

[cnystrom]

I've often been curious about this as well, maybe you can help me? It feels like some men on here treat polygamy as if it's the only way/the only truth but there are examples of men who are not polygamous in the Bible. I always find it confusing.

Long time reader of this site and polygamy supporter with one wife.

I would say it is more accurate to say about the values of this site is that it is "patriarchy" that is the only way/the only truth, not "polygamy". Patriarchy may or may not lead to polygamy, but every Christian marriage should be thus organized and ordered.

Polygamy is in fact even discouraged on here at times. I think most everyone on here realizes that polygamy is more difficult than monogamy and many are not ready for it or capable of it. Many of us have seen the horror stories of where the attempt has wrecked families. But we have also seen the stories where it has helped to save families in difficult situations.

Polygamy is a difficult and noble thing, but no one thinks that it is easy or simple. Sadly the church, which could be a huge help for these families is rather in fact a stumbling block, and will even dis-fellowship. This ministry attempts to fill that gap.

One of the main differences between Christian polygamy and Mormon polygamy is that in Christian polygamy there are no extra points for more wives.

I hope that helps to clear up your confusion.

 

[Wanlorn]

I would like to point

Long time reader of this site and polygamy supporter with one wife.

I would say it is more accurate to say about the values of this site is that it is "patriarchy" that is the only way/the only truth, not "polygamy". Patriarchy may or may not lead to polygamy, but every Christian marriage should be thus organized and ordered.

Polygamy is in fact even discouraged on here at times. I think most everyone on here realizes that polygamy is more difficult than monogamy and many are not ready for it or capable of it. Many of us have seen the horror stories of where the attempt has wrecked families. But we have also seen the stories where it has helped to save families in difficult situations.

Polygamy is a difficult and noble thing, but no one thinks that it is easy or simple. Sadly the church, which could be a huge help for these families is rather in fact a stumbling block, and will even dis-fellowship. This ministry attempts to fill that gap.

One of the main differences between Christian polygamy and Mormon polygamy is that in Christian polygamy there are no extra points for more wives.

I hope that helps to clear up your confusion.

I want to point out a misconception here in this post, there is no actual "difference" between so-called "Mormon Polygamy" and "Christian Polygamy." The OP here tries to insinuate that there is an "extra point" system for having more than one wife in Mormonism, this is erroneous at best. In the LDS mother church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) having more than one wife will result in ex-communication. Amongst the "fundamentalist" groups are those who erroneously believe that we must have 2, 3, or more wives to become like God. This is NOT a brush that you should paint all Mormon Polygamists with, any more than we should paint all protestants as followers of one creed or another. In fact, many Fundamentalist Mormons are not practicing polygamists, they merely are willing to practice it as they interpret the scriptures to read that they must.

So, who am I? I am a Mormon Fundamentalist who believes in the principles of Polygamy as being a true order of Marriage. Other than your misunderstanding of our beliefs, I have found nothing that is taught here to be something that we do not ourselves teach.

 

[frederick]

Other than your misunderstanding of our beliefs, I have found nothing that is taught here to be something that we do not ourselves teach.

Do you teach salvation from the eternal condemnation of sin to be possible only by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone, and all to the glory of God alone? That is something we teach and hold to with passion but I've never encountered that as something followers of the LDS religion teach.

 

[The Revolting Man]

I would like to point

I want to point out a misconception here in this post, there is no actual "difference" between so-called "Mormon Polygamy" and "Christian Polygamy." The OP here tries to insinuate that there is an "extra point" system for having more than one wife in Mormonism, this is erroneous at best. In the LDS mother church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) having more than one wife will result in ex-communication. Amongst the "fundamentalist" groups are those who erroneously believe that we must have 2, 3, or more wives to become like God. This is NOT a brush that you should paint all Mormon Polygamists with, any more than we should paint all protestants as followers of one creed or another. In fact, many Fundamentalist Mormons are not practicing polygamists, they merely are willing to practice it as they interpret the scriptures to read that they must.

So, who am I? I am a Mormon Fundamentalist who believes in the principles of Polygamy as being a true order of Marriage. Other than your misunderstanding of our beliefs, I have found nothing that is taught here to be something that we do not ourselves teach.

I think you’ll find the ministry’s official position on the Book of Mormon at least a little argumentative.

 

[Wanlorn]

I think you’ll find the ministry’s official position on the Book of Mormon at least a little argumentative.

Regardless of their position on a particular book, I had the impression that this site was about Biblical Families, not about the Book of Mormon debate. Correct me if I am wrong but did not the Lord Himself assert that "And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.” Luke 9:50 or that "For he that is not against us is on our part." Mark 9:40? It seems to me that as followers of Jesus Christ we should be focused less on our differences and more on our similarities, I also find it interesting that not once in the Bible did God command us to attack each other, in fact I see more scriptures telling us to love one another and to not contend one with another than I see those that say "go attack those that don't believe the things you do!"

 

[Wanlorn]

Do you teach salvation from the eternal condemnation of sin to be possible only by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone, and all to the glory of God alone? That is something we teach and hold to with passion but I've never encountered that as something followers of the LDS religion teach.

There is only one path to salvation that is through the grace and sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. I really wish people would not assume that they understand the LDS faith based on the statements of those people who have been removed from the church because of wrongdoing. Over 90% of all arguments against the LDS people are perpetuated by people like Ed Decker who have been ex-communicated for their unrepentant behavior that is at odds with scripture. Do you not believe that once a person has repented that they are required thereafter to show forth the fruits of this change to a new person? These works are those that James speaks of when he says that Faith without works is dead... This is the problem with believing what is taught about religion rather than actually understanding what they believe. I was a non-denominational minister for many years and taught people the garbage about the LDS faith that is commonly understood before I joined the LDS mother church since then I have turned closer to the doctrines as taught by Joseph Smith and the early church leaders becoming a "fundamentalist" myself. I am not part of the Warren Jeffs LDS group that has so many things wrong, I am part of another group, which is irrelevant to the conversation. Do you want to know what I believe?

The Thirteen Articles of Faith​

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8. 
   
9. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
10. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
11. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
12. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
13. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
14. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

There is the actual things that we hold to be true. Which ones do you take umbrage to?

 

[steve]

#8 seems a bit unclear.

 

[Wanlorn]

Sorry the system renumbered it, 8 is 9, 9 is 10 ... etc. there are 13 not 14.

 

[Wanlorn]

#8 seems a bit unclear.

Also, I cannot seem to edit the post, but there are only 13, not 14... and the system renumbered them skipping 8... lol

 

[MeganC]

I think you’ll find the ministry’s official position on the Book of Mormon at least a little argumentative.

Which version of the Book of Mormon are you referring to? Last I checked there were 40+ versions of it.

 

[NickF]

How’s about we not jump on a new member, and keep this thread from going further off the rails?

@Wanlorn would you mind posting a short introduction post in the new members area? Welcome to the forum!

Don’t get the wrong idea, a few people here are a bit worked up over other issues going on and might be a little trigger happy this week.

 

[Wanlorn]

Which version of the Book of Mormon are you referring to? Last I checked there were 40+ versions of it.

That is interesting, I have copies and reprints that go back to the 1800s and there are no true textual differences. I am thinking that you are once again quoting from anti-Mormon literature. The majority of "changes" have been punctuation, adding chapters and verses, and then even adding footnotes to the book... please get your facts straight.

 

[The Revolting Man]

Regardless of their position on a particular book, I had the impression that this site was about Biblical Families, not about the Book of Mormon debate. Correct me if I am wrong but did not the Lord Himself assert that "And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.” Luke 9:50 or that "For he that is not against us is on our part." Mark 9:40? It seems to me that as followers of Jesus Christ we should be focused less on our differences and more on our similarities, I also find it interesting that not once in the Bible did God command us to attack each other, in fact I see more scriptures telling us to love one another and to not contend one with another than I see those that say "go attack those that don't believe the things you do!"

This isn’t the place for the Mormon debate. I’m just pointing out that many people here do see a difference between the two practices.

 

[The Revolting Man]

Which version of the Book of Mormon are you referring to? Last I checked there were 40+ versions of it.

I didn’t know that. That’s funny.

 

[Wanlorn]

I didn’t know that. That’s funny.

You didn't know it because it is not true.

 

[Wanlorn]

This isn’t the place for the Mormon debate. I’m just pointing out that many people here do see a difference between the two practices.

Then why bother starting one?