I mean logic as class about how to think correctly. Deduction, induction, De Morgans law.
I did have subject called logic in high school.
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I did have subject called logic in high school.
It does matter with goal setting and life dreams.
If my theory about 12 wives is correct then having 3 wives is 25% of maximum. So two or three wives are achievable for average man if he plays his cards right.
What does desiring only one wife signal about man? Lack of ambition or testostone? Lying himself about his true polygynous nature?
To each their own. If that's what makes him and his wife happy then that's what it says about them.
Logic is nice and I say that as someone who deeply appreciates logic. But I am also very appreciative of people who have more emotional capabilities than I do because they perceive things that I can't.
The quandary then is how do I make logical decisions about some things in life when I lack the emotional understanding to fully comprehend those things?
People are meant to have both logic and emotions and we need both of them to determine the deeper truths that logic alone or emotions alone can't fathom.
Maybe they don't feel like they're lying to themselves. I've dated a couple of men long term who had no interest in Polygamy or other women for that matter. Just because something is in your nature doesn't mean it's right for you. The same goes for women, we fight our nature all the time to adapt and to be happy. It's funny because I swear many monogamous men would be wonderful polygamist. If they can be faithful, loyal and trustworthy to one woman despite their nature of wanting many then that says a lot about their moral character to me.
(Not to say that polygamist men lack morals, I just think both are capable of being in healthy relationships, it's not a competition)
It's also not about lack of ambition, maybe they lack the ambition to attain what you want for your own life but they're allowed to have goals outside of your own, that doesn't make them less manly. The two monogamous men I dated definitely didn't lack testosterone lol men who are secure within themselves don't feel the need to remind everyone of how much testosterone they have.
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You can play your logic game all you want, but at the end of the day it is either fantasy or reality.
Some guys play Fantasy Football, your version is evidently Fantasy Family.
I’m too engaged in reality to join your game.
Define average man? Narrow is the path and compressed is the way. Isaac was probably more man than most of us will ever be and he only had one wife recorded, he had no need to lie to himself about his polygynous nature either. Finances were also not an issue for Isaac. Your presuppositions have failed you.
I've often been curious about this as well, maybe you can help me? It feels like some men on here treat polygamy as if it's the only way/the only truth but there are examples of men who are not polygamous in the Bible. I always find it confusing.
I consider polygamy more of a preference or a personal calling to some, do you feel that is an accurate assumption? Or do you think there is more to it that I'm missing from a biblical standpoint?
This was sort of my issue with it as well. He's more than entitled to his own opinion or goals but I can't quite understand why he would be so dismissive of people who have actual experience. If anything it's an opportunity to learn something that may be beneficial in the future.
This is as good a place as any to drop the reply that came to mind when read the various bit where in plural marriage is likened to management skills and time management etc.
I don't want think of my marriages, being a father or anything to do with families as a job or whether or not I could possibly stretch further.
I will admit that if I were exceptionally wealthy and if I had as much time as I could want that I might be persuaded to go slightly higher but I do not see a queue of women forming trying to convince me to marry them. I also am not apt to have a couple billion or so kicking around anytime soon. So I see it as kind of moot.
If I meet another woman mad enough to fall for me...or even under the right circumstances two looney ladies that bonkers, then I think I am off the market permanently.
Most often, having goals is nothing but positive. Any failure is just something to work on.
But when the goal becomes X or XX number of wives, it starts getting real cringey. People start getting hurt in the process. Humans shouldn’t be considered disposable when theories don’t work out. But too often that is the case.
(I’m envisioning a dog rescue/rehoming commercial: Dogs aren’t like marriage partners, you can’t just abandon them when things don’t work out in the way that you expected.)
Best goals are to have a smoothly running, well integrated, Yah following family regardless of the actual numbers.
I am reminded of a story that I heard years ago where a person was debating ideas to build income. The other person simply said “Show me your stack”.
At that point the debate ended and real life took over.
Btw, I don’t come from a position of “I have achieved, so therefore……blah, blah, blah”
I have some strong women that can make things a challenge, on some days we more resemble a rock tumbler than a finely oiled machine.
But we persevere.
Hmm, how was that to be discovered?
We can define natural as something that "comes by itself". Seed grows naturally. No effort is needed by man, weather or something else.
If by nature man is polygynyous then logically it follows than 2 wives are better than one. Such conclusion should come naturally since it comes from instinct. And instinct can never be hidden, only "pushed out of consciousness". It takes brain washing to "push out" instinct.
Is man by nature polygynyous? Yes, it is. Evidence is everywhere if you dare to look. Evolutionary psihology (what is path to most succesful children?). Since our Creator is mega giga ultra polygynous (how much believers/wives He has?) then it follows than mankind has inherited this part of his nature, just in smaller measure.
So why some men claim that one wife is enough? They are lying, thats way. What will other people say? If I say truth to girl she will leave me, tell everyone and I will forever be alone. Best course is to hide. Yet, we all know that when a man has a chance to have two girls without negative consequences he will take it.
By the way, women also know at instictive level that men are polygynous. But current societal situation allows women opportunity to reduce competition.
I show you path to 12 wives and answers are mostly "it is fantasy". Instinctive answer would be "fantastic". I have cited Isaiah 4:1 where Lord promises 7 wives. Is 5 more "a bridge to far"? I believe that nobody has answered using pure instinct, nor I can detect checking my logic.
Compare this two posts:
Here is another post using instinct:
If by nature man is polygynyous then logically it follows than 2 wives are better than one. Such conclusion should come naturally since it comes from instinct. And instinct can never be hidden, only "pushed out of consciousness". It takes brain washing to "push out" instinct.
Is man by nature polygynyous? Yes, it is. Evidence is everywhere if you dare to look. Evolutionary psihology (what is path to most succesful children?). Since our Creator is mega giga ultra polygynous (how much believers/wives He has?) then it follows than mankind has inherited this part of his nature, just in smaller measure.
So why some men claim that one wife is enough? They are lying, thats way. What will other people say? If I say truth to girl she will leave me, tell everyone and I will forever be alone. Best course is to hide. Yet, we all know that when a man has a chance to have two girls without negative consequences he will take it.
By the way, women also know at instictive level that men are polygynous. But current societal situation allows women opportunity to reduce competition.
I show you path to 12 wives and answers are mostly "it is fantasy". Instinctive answer would be "fantastic". I have cited Isaiah 4:1 where Lord promises 7 wives. Is 5 more "a bridge to far"? I believe that nobody has answered using pure instinct, nor I can detect checking my logic.
Compare this two posts:
@The Revolting Man post is holding up. His caption is "proper" in today's society. It offers excuse of "forgetting" girlfriend. Like it is believable that man would forget his girlfriend literally sitting on him. @MeganC answer is pure gold. It comes from pure instinct. It's entirely natural having two girlfriends.
Here is another post using instinct:
I would say 12 bras are >>>>>>>>>>> than 1. And yes, there is path to 12. Why is getting all you to admit this like chiselling stone with wood?
No, we don't all know that, you think that. That is your opinion. You must have a high degree of self-importance to think your opinions are facts, they do not speak for everyone.
Considering the forum we're on, I don't think anyone is even claiming that Polygamy isn't natural to begin with. Just that it's entirely possible that other men are different than you are and just because they are it doesn't mean they lack goals, testosterone or that they are brainwashed.
If you're fully prepared to go back to our very basic instincts/nature and live your life based primarily on those, particularly in the world we live in today- then tell me where you live so I can stay far away lol
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I'd say that's pretty generally true, historically speaking. There will be exceptions that prove the rule. Mostly because they'll turn out to not be exceptions - the man didn't take the second girl because he perceived a negative consequence (e.g. "going to hell"). If no negative consequence is perceived, a man would almost certainly take that opportunity.
Other than the eunuchs set aside for the Kingdom, but all are gifted in different ways.
You’ve made a logical error though, you have made polygyny universally applied, all men are polygynous, and then made polygyny and ideologically pure concept; i.e. it must mean that all men want as many wives as possible.
None of those things are self-evident. In fact they are demonstrably false. Not all men are polygynous, some men don’t even want one wife. I know a number of content bachelors. It stands to reason then that some men are likewise content with one, or even two.
But why stop at 12? That’s arbitrary. If all men want as many wives as possible and it’s possible for those wives to be content with minimal interaction as long as they’re properly socialized, why not have 13? 14? A 1,000?
Given your assumptions 12 seems quite unambitious.
Alternatively, maybe no one has refuted your statement logically because there’s not a logical basis to it. You picked random numbers and performed a simple math problem but one disconnected from any any practical parameters. Allow me to demonstrate.
Given a proper engine, say one capable of propelling a large craft exponentially faster than the speed of light, it should be possible for one to reach ludicrous speed.
That statement is technically correct given my assumption that such an engine could in fact be had. However, such an engine is not to be had. With the level of specificity I’ve supplied no one will be going plaid anytime soon. My statement is technically not illogical but it is functionally impossible.
Now your claim that women should be content with 3-4 hours of a husband’s time once a week does not have any internal contradictions that make it false in its face, but given my recent deep disappointment in modern engine technology I’m worried about getting hurt again so soon.
So the question becomes, is such a thing possible or is it like a hyper drive, a theoretically possible impossibility?
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Just to reminisce and have a laugh again, who else recalls that old thread from 2013, with the man who had the following ambition:
We're all too sensible these days. @MemeFan's 12 wives idea is actually achievable, even if unlikely. We need someone more crazy again to spice the place up.
He supported it with lots of logic and maths even - he'd put far too much thought into it. Not much common sense though. The thread was removed from the forum back at the time as it was making some members worried that it made the forum look like a crazy cult, so I can't link to it sorry. But I couldn't help but think of it with this discussion!PoetOfLove33 said:
We're all too sensible these days. @MemeFan's 12 wives idea is actually achievable, even if unlikely. We need someone more crazy again to spice the place up.
Nobody is using pure instinct when decision making. Otherwise, man, when horny, will try to grab nearest female in fertile years and do her. Such guy will actually finish death or in prison in one month. Breaking moral code and laws about violence and rape do have consequences.
Behaviour is always modified by societal norms, morals and laws.
But is good idea to be in touch with our instincts. They are part of our nature and God-given. There are here for reason.
I was remembering that one also, a turkey baster was involved.Just to reminisce and have a laugh again, who else recalls that old thread from 2013, with the man who had the following ambition:
He supported it with lots of logic and maths even - he'd put far too much thought into it. Not much common sense though. The thread was removed from the forum back at the time as it was making some members worried that it made the forum look like a crazy cult, so I can't link to it sorry. But I couldn't help but think of it with this discussion!
We're all too sensible these days. @MemeFan's 12 wives idea is actually achievable, even if unlikely. We need someone more crazy again to spice the place up.