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January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!

By myself, no. Enough that I appreciate post OBD 2 cars. Granted the information can be a challenge to interpret, and a low voltage situation seems to cause all modules to scream in panic, but generally one can quite quickly parse the information, and answer the question "why is the engine losing power?" with "Ohhh, that's why." Btw, on an electric car, every single battery cell reports in. I was sent as a chore, or more of an assessment perhaps, to figure out why an engine was losing power on a pre-diagnostic car. Could be a vacuum leak, could be an injector, could be a clogged cat, could be a defective fuel pump, could be a clogged fuel intake, or a line, or a myriad of other things. And of course it is the last thing one checks that is the problem.
Sorry, I'm honestly laughing here. What do you think an electric car needs a fancy computer diagnostics system where every single battery cell reports in? Because there's so much to go wrong! Same goes for modern ICE vehicles to a degree, as you've explained also. You're proving my point.

My brother actually has a relatively modern car (ie <20 years old) that has become unusable because the catalytic converter has decided it's failed, and as soon as the motor warms up it sends an error that causes the motor to turn off. It runs perfectly fine (the catalytic converter is a non-essential component), but stops after a couple of minutes for no reason whatsoever other than that the computer system shuts it down. It's impossible to remove the catalytic converter on this model as it's built into the exhaust manifold, and a new one is worth more than the value of the car. So this car, with a perfectly good engine etc, cannot even be used as a farm hack. We can't even pull out the engine and use it in a machine. All because of one message from one sensor to an over-complex computer. Such an environmentally destructive waste of resources (it will require a new car to be sourced instead of being able to just recycle the old one) - and all because of a misguided idea to "save the environment".
 
Decently done, that is a full time job.

The best total life cycle analysis I have read was for the BMW i3. It was a book. They produced the carbon fiber for the vehicle in Washington state. For two reasons. 1) The knowledge that Boeing brought into the area in the field of carbon fiber and 2) Washington state had untapped hydro electric reserves, and they could run the entire carbon fiber production of that. Of course , they took into account the emissions of shipping everything by railroad to.... I think it was Montreal, and then shipping it to Germany.
What was the result?
 
It can if used in conjunction with wind, and hydro, and others. Germany is over 50% renewable.
Too Bad for Germany. They are going to be toast. Because they MUST rely on some "bigger grid." Theirs won't survive.

Wind (et al) is not "renewable," in spite of CNN/MSNBC/BS. It does NOT PRODUCE ENOUGH TOTAL ENERGY over its economic lifespan to reproduce. It will be charity, or collapse.

A lot of fleets are switching to electric, and it IS purely based on math. On average they will be more reliant on the grid though.
Ultimately it's pure communist "Economics." Without subsidies, tax breaks, and mandates, NO intelligent (non-DEI/PC) fleet manager would ever make such a decision. Hertz learned the hard way.

The best total life cycle analysis I have read was for the BMW i3. It was a book. They produced the carbon fiber for the vehicle in Washington state.
You missed the far bigger point.

It's like 'analyzing' the price of a steak, and thinking it has to do only with raising a cow.

That 'carbon fiber' is energy intensive to produce - somewhere else. And without the energy infrastructure to SUSTAIN it (and the mining, from steel to coal to lithium) it will inevitably - like the 'green economy' brown out to a standstill over only a few generations of "less than unity" energy gain.

Try to understand what the economics of "energy density" and "energy gain" mean. TOTAL costs of producing a barrel of oil, or of NG, yield +/- 40 TIMES of the energy required to produce them. Nuclear is about the only denser source (ZPE, fusion, etc, offer potential, at best hidden so far.) That fueled the industrial age, after coal. Whereas wind (even solar) have a gain LESS THAN UNITY. They are NOT 'sustainable' to subsequent generations.


Also, I think old school forums, such as this one, are better then most social media, as the discussions are more in depth.
Finally, you're getting closer. Too bad this one is also highly censored on too many topics.
 
As usual, this thread has drifted way off topic. 😁

Somehow no one is talking about Trump, and everyone is talking about ICE vehicles vs electric ones.

Getting back to Trump....
I'm rather impressed with what he is doing so far.

1. Shutting down DEI i Federal government
2. Potentially ending birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants (and temporary residents)
3. Telling the truth about the biological reality of sex instead of pandering to infinite gender nonsense
4. Securing the border, and starting the deportations

I'm rather impressed
 
Sorry, I'm honestly laughing here. What do you think an electric car needs a fancy computer diagnostics system where every single battery cell reports in? Because there's so much to go wrong! Same goes for modern ICE vehicles to a degree, as you've explained also. You're proving my point.

One point on complexity regarding cars in general. Yes there are challenges, but also benefits. One of the greatest advancements in making driving more pleasant imo, is the development of matrix LED headlights (sadly illegal in the USA, since headlights by law are not allowed to move, they do not distinguish between a headlight with lose screws, and one that is intended to move) absolutely brilliant. Literally. Now, they do have over a 1000 LEDs so yes complex, but they come close to turning the night into day, and since LEDs are shut off to put oncoming cars into a shadow you are basically driving with high beams all the time, which if augmented by a laser throws a carpet of light one km long. Pricey but worth every penny.

My brother actually has a relatively modern car (ie <20 years old) that has become unusable because the catalytic converter has decided it's failed, and as soon as the motor warms up it sends an error that causes the motor to turn off. It runs perfectly fine (the catalytic converter is a non-essential component), but stops after a couple of minutes for no reason whatsoever other than that the computer system shuts it down. It's impossible to remove the catalytic converter on this model as it's built into the exhaust manifold, and a new one is worth more than the value of the car. So this car, with a perfectly good engine etc, cannot even be used as a farm hack. We can't even pull out the engine and use it in a machine. All because of one message from one sensor to an over-complex computer. Such an environmentally destructive waste of resources (it will require a new car to be sourced instead of being able to just recycle the old one) - and all because of a misguided idea to "save the environment".

So.......the feature is working as designed? If it is just your brother that is driving around with a broken cat, then it is not an issue, if a plurality of people in Auckland or Wellington would do so, it would be a concern. The catalytic converter is an environmental success story. It is basically solved the smog and acid rain issue.

Perhaps, from a resource point of view, it would be best to install new cats. I guess it depends on whether your brother thinks the transmission or something else will go next year.

Just to be clear, no your 100 year old Dodge is not an issue, historic cars do not really have much of an impact. Frankly we have some pre cat stuff as well.

I could go on a rant on gasoline lawn mowers, or chainsaws, but I digress.


What was the result?

First of all, they were generous to combustion cars, since they could have used a BMW M3 or something as a comparison, but no, they used a BMW 118 Diesel, which was one of the most efficient cars of that era. It has a similar size, and the BMW 1 Series was built at the same factory in Leipzig Germany, which I guess is why they used it.

Driven 150,000km (93,200miles for the Americans) i3 has 30% of CO2 emission when used with renewables, and 50% when powered by EU27 mix compared to the 118D.

One of the biggest offsets was that the carbon fiber was 100% hydro. The biggest source of CO2 was the battery.


Too Bad for Germany. They are going to be toast. Because they MUST rely on some "bigger grid." Theirs won't survive.

Wind (et al) is not "renewable," in spite of CNN/MSNBC/BS. It does NOT PRODUCE ENOUGH TOTAL ENERGY over its economic lifespan to reproduce. It will be charity, or collapse.

I know more about the subject than CNN/MSNB. Frankly they could hire me as an expert.

Ultimately it's pure communist "Economics." Without subsidies, tax breaks, and mandates, NO intelligent (non-DEI/PC) fleet manager would ever make such a decision. Hertz learned the hard way.

Hertz ran into the problem that they bought a large number of Teslas, right before Tesla slashed the prices by $10,000 and more. For rental companies the residual value is paramount, since they sell the vehicles within months, and Tesla almost killed them.

It's like 'analyzing' the price of a steak, and thinking it has to do only with raising a cow.

Yes, eating the grain uses 1/6 of the resources as feeding the cow, and then eating the meat would, if that was your point.

That 'carbon fiber' is energy intensive to produce - somewhere else.

Hence, the auto industry has moved past it - for now at least - except for high end applications. BMW is using carbon fiber reinforced aluminum alloy in the 7 and 5 series, they believe that is most efficient. Not sure what they are planning for Neue Klasse (actually Neue, Neue Klasse would be more accurate) but it seems to be metal.

And without the energy infrastructure to SUSTAIN it (and the mining, from steel to coal to lithium) it will inevitably - like the 'green economy' brown out to a standstill over only a few generations of "less than unity" energy gain.

Try to understand what the economics of "energy density" and "energy gain" mean. TOTAL costs of producing a barrel of oil, or of NG, yield +/- 40 TIMES of the energy required to produce them. That fueled the industrial age, after coal. Whereas wind (even solar) have a gain LESS THAN UNITY. They are NOT 'sustainable' to subsequent generations.

Are you an audio engineer? The only place I have heard "gain less then unity" used was in the instruction manual of a Bryston amplifier, and a quick google search confirms it is an amplifier engineering term. I know what you mean but it was oddly phrased.

First of all one can mine the raw resources in a sustainable way. VW is building a battery plan in Canada, that will not just build packs, they are building the cells from raw materials. Again access to hydro electricity was the pull, plus Canada mines to strict standards.

Wind turbines are net energy positive.

Wind turbine life cycle CO2 emissions are between 0.009 - 0.018 kg per kWh. For natural gas it is between 0.27 - 0.97 kg per kWh. Coal is between 0.63 - 1.633 kg.

You underestimate how much they produce. A typical nuclear plant produces 1000 MW. Currently the most powerful wind turbine deployed is a Siemens turbine with 14.7 MW, the most powerful one in development currently has 22 MW. So less then 100 equal a nuclear plant, and I am being VERRRY generous with the math.

And no, higher power levels is not something they only reach in a lab. No, no, no. Let us look at a pedestrian wind turbine as an advantage. Enercon has the charts readily available so I can just yank them.

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Here is a wind map of the USA.

Mean-Average-Wind-Speed-Across-the-United-States-Map





Since you are against subsidies might I assume that this indicates that you are willing to pay the full price of oil exploration, and the cost of cleaning up the environment afterwards at the pump, we can get rid of subsidies for oil and gas? Lets us take a few cranks at the cash register then.
Nuclear is about the only denser source (ZPE, fusion, etc, offer potential, at best hidden so far.)
Again, nuclear power can not exist without government to cover the cost. I find it bizarr that you mention ZPE, fusion etc. You are against government research, and yet you post about potential energy sources that are government financed basic physic programs, either at NASA etc, or at companies like Lockheed Martin with government money

50% renewables in Germany? Really?

Yes, really. They passed the threshold in 2023.

Let us look at facts. German energy production in the last few days

Screenshot from 2025-01-27 16-39-13.png here is the legend, it is in German, but pretty self explanatory. Notice that German hardly does any off shore wind production, that is were wind production really takes off.

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Let us also look at the height of summer 2024:

Screenshot from 2025-01-27 16-40-26.png

Yowsers! Obviously one will find times were renewables are less, and yes, all that hideous coal stuff needs to go.



And no, this was not AI generated, I put more time into this then would be reasonable, but I am unwilling to be less then precise.
 
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That is where the EU Right to Repair legislation will come in handy.

Almost any car part you can get as non OEM parts. The question is if you should. A lot will be junk. However Bosch, for example, offers many parts both as branded OEM parts, and the same part as a generic Bosch branded part. I am not sure if Bosch offers an ECU as a non OEM part, would be interesting since 95% of all cars built on the planet today, use Bosch ECUs.

Do you know what the most difficult parts of a car are to buy as replacements? Body parts such as fenders, and doors. In both the USA, and in the EU, the design of a car is considered art, like a painting, or a sculpture and hence it is protected not by patents, but by copy right.
No legislation can fix this. Size of transistors is not visible by human eye.

And even if you have microscope and know how to fix them, they are inside package providing protection from all sides. So any attempt to fix them, will have to expose transistors to elements. And since water and electricity don't like each other, any humidity could damage another transistors.

These is reason transitors are done in clean room. No humidity, no dust, no air for special cases etc...

Only option is too buy totally new part.

And problem with buying any non branded integrated hardware, is did third party put proper software to make it work.
 
Sorry, I'm honestly laughing here. What do you think an electric car needs a fancy computer diagnostics system where every single battery cell reports in? Because there's so much to go wrong! Same goes for modern ICE vehicles to a degree, as you've explained also. You're proving my point.

My brother actually has a relatively modern car (ie <20 years old) that has become unusable because the catalytic converter has decided it's failed, and as soon as the motor warms up it sends an error that causes the motor to turn off. It runs perfectly fine (the catalytic converter is a non-essential component), but stops after a couple of minutes for no reason whatsoever other than that the computer system shuts it down. It's impossible to remove the catalytic converter on this model as it's built into the exhaust manifold, and a new one is worth more than the value of the car. So this car, with a perfectly good engine etc, cannot even be used as a farm hack. We can't even pull out the engine and use it in a machine. All because of one message from one sensor to an over-complex computer. Such an environmentally destructive waste of resources (it will require a new car to be sourced instead of being able to just recycle the old one) - and all because of a misguided idea to "save the environment".
It’s actually nit impossible to trick those sensors. It’s usually just finding out the right kind of resistor and soldering it in.
 
First of all, they were generous to combustion cars, since they could have used a BMW M3 or something as a comparison, but no, they used a BMW 118 Diesel, which was one of the most efficient cars of that era. It has a similar size, and the BMW 1 Series was built at the same factory in Leipzig Germany, which I guess is why they used it.

Driven 150,000km (93,200miles for the Americans) i3 has 30% of CO2 emission when used with renewables, and 50% when powered by EU27 mix compared to the 118D.

One of the biggest offsets was that the carbon fiber was 100% hydro. The biggest source of CO2 was the battery.
Can you point us to the original report?
So.......the feature is working as designed? If it is just your brother that is driving around with a broken cat, then it is not an issue, if a plurality of people in Auckland or Wellington would do so, it would be a concern. The catalytic converter is an environmental success story. It is basically solved the smog and acid rain issue.
... in Western cities. But if it forces more cars to be built instead of just keeping the old ones on the road, then it will increase both industrial pollution in Asian cities and global CO2 emissions. Catalytic converters are great technology, it's the computerisation of cars that's the problem.
It’s actually nit impossible to trick those sensors. It’s usually just finding out the right kind of resistor and soldering it in.
Good point. Will investigate.
 
Are you an audio engineer? The only place I have heard "gain less then unity" used was in the instruction manual of a Bryston amplifier, and a quick google search confirms it is an amplifier engineering term. I know what you mean but it was oddly phrased.
Electronic engineer. But "unity gain" is about as ubiquitous a term in control theory (servo engineering, and everything from mechanics to energy.) I'm not surprised you missed the whole point:

Anything with less that unity gain in a feedback loop will "go to zero." That includes a society stupid enough to base its energy use on such.
 
You underestimate how much they produce. A typical nuclear plant produces 1000 MW. Currently the most powerful wind turbine deployed is a Siemens turbine with 14.7 MW, the most powerful one in development currently has 22 MW. So less then 100 equal a nuclear plant, and I am being VERRRY generous with the math.
You confuse POWER with total energy.

An utterly fatal mistake, but it explains everything about what you fail to understand:

MW for HOW LONG? Energy = power * time

The problem with so-called "renewables" is that they AREN'T.


Their energy density [gain] is not 40 or so, like that evil "carbon" (coal, oil, NG) -- but LESS THAN UNITY.

They produce less ENERGY in TOTAL, over their lives, than ALL the energy input, from mining, to manufacturing, to maintenance, than they return. They are a LOSER, as is any society fool enough to think they are "renewable."

Do you know math? 1.4 * 1.4 * 1.4 * 1.4 (forever) is an expanding sequence. Energy output increases.

Whereas 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.9 (etc) - does NOT GO forever. It goes to zero, fairly rapidly. Do you get it?
 
Back to Trump:
I was thrilled to see he withdrew from the suicidal Paris "Klimate" Accords. I think he even sees through the CO2 BS. But we'll see if/when he has the guts to say THAT out loud, like he did with the invasion, the gender idiocy, the military self-immolation, and so many other similarly positive moves.
 
I find it bizarr [sic] that you mention ZPE, fusion etc. You are against government research,
Says you? I am against things that are unconstitutional; I don't expect you to understand that.

But I WQRKED in research.

...and yet you post about potential energy sources that are government financed basic physic programs
Only when government takes over and shuts 'em down.

If you knew about Nikola Tesla, or what happened with Pons & Fleischmann (I worked with people at IBM 'back when' who worked to duplicate some of their results) or any of a hundred PRIVATE efforts that have been 'deep-sixed' (and quashed by the likes of Gulag and CNN, too!) - you wouldn't worship at the altar of Big Brother when it comes to "energy," and DESTROYING alternatives that threaten the Great Green God.

PS> Do you know why there are no production Thorium cycle [fission] reactors? They could be efficient, clean, and cheaper to operate over a long life-cycle.

Answer: They can't be used to breed Plutonium for nuclear weapons. There's your 'subsidy' issue.
 
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Our State government has gone totally insane over the last decade. We now have one party (Democrat/Communist) rule. Seattle is full of crazies, and is very expensive.

Here in Eastern Washington (Yakima, Kennewick, Walla Walla, Wenatchee, etc maybe Spokane) people are much more reasonable.

Even though I've spent most of my life in Eastern WA, I am seriously thinking about moving to a more conservative state.

The best total life cycle analysis I have read was for the BMW i3. It was a book. They produced the carbon fiber for the vehicle in Washington state. For two reasons. 1) The knowledge that Boeing brought into the area in the field of carbon fiber and 2) Washington state had untapped hydro electric reserves, and they could run the entire carbon fiber production of that. Of course , they took into account the emissions of shipping everything by railroad to.... I think it was Montreal, and then shipping it to Germany.
Maia, What do you know about Boeing and Hydro-power? I am curious about what's out there.
 
This is the kind of publicity that does more than anything in the last four years to discourage invasion:


Undocumented migrants who were deported back to Colombia this week have warned others to not go to the United States, because president Trump is 'deporting everyone.'

The Colombian press, including reporter Richi Malagon, was present to speak to the migrants arriving in Bogota on Tuesday, who shared harrowing testimonies of their deportations.

'Don't go [to the US] because they're deporting everyone..,' a mother carrying her baby said outside the plane provided by the Colombian government to bring the migrants back to their homeland.
 
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