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January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!

People CHOSE to buy automobiles.

And free car makers (would that we had more of that concept!) can design and build whatever they want.

A free market will judge whether or not they were right.

And THAT is what at least started to change this week!
 
Tell me now how Democrats has lost 20M voters in 2024 which they had in 2020.
Excellent post. This was rhetorical, but the answer is, "fraud detection". Put a bit differently, the copy machine was shut down.

They were never real, and no way in hell the Senile Puppet got 60 million "votes," much less the Big Lie claimed. He couldn't fill a high school gym with 'supporters'.
 
RE: Ministry of Truth-approved video stills:

Why are you defending this pond scum?
Show me the still of the doors being opened, the stun grenades fired into a peaceful crowd, and the hundreds imprisoned Stalin-style, many without trial, for years. THEIR video was never released - even for the bogus trials that did happen.

Hint: You can't "google" them. And CNN won't show you, either. Faux News' Tucker Carlson got fired after he tried, just a tiny fraction.
 
I am very skeptical of this claim. China has thousands of EVs rotting in storage lots because they can’t sell. Communism is a stupid, wasteful, destructive, absolutely insane system and it will never triumph. Command economies can not work.

Ford CEO Jim Farley:

This Xiaomi car… is fantastic. They sell ten thousand, twenty thousand a month,” Farley said. “I don’t like talking about the competition much, but we flew [an SU7] from Shanghai to Chicago and I’ve been driving it for six months now, and I don’t want to give it up.”

Even if this was perhaps intended to be a "suggestion" to his engineers to work harder, and a warning shot to the unions, he did seem incredibly impressed.

Xiaomi was founded in 2010, and has only started making cars since March 2024.......
 
Ford CEO Jim Farley:

This Xiaomi car… is fantastic. They sell ten thousand, twenty thousand a month,” Farley said. “I don’t like talking about the competition much, but we flew [an SU7] from Shanghai to Chicago and I’ve been driving it for six months now, and I don’t want to give it up.”

Even if this was perhaps intended to be a "suggestion" to his engineers to work harder, and a warning shot to the unions, he did seem incredibly impressed.

Xiaomi was founded in 2010, and has only started making cars since March 2024.......
It doesn’t matter. It’s a commie car. Commies all fail. They never win. They can’t. The kind of people who rise to the top of a bureaucratic system are people who can’t actually succeed in other endeavors. Look at all the famous communist dictators; they were all mediocre in every aspect of their lives outside of party politics.

They are going to make incredibly insane decisions like producing hundreds of thousands of cars they only sell 10,000 a month of. It’s just a bad system. It wastes and suppresses human innovation, it completely eviscerates risk taking and removes the profit motive. It won’t work. It never had and it never will.

Communists are by nature either sociopaths, extremely stupid, or lazy and disengaged.

On top of all that, the Chinese communists have another disadvantage. They kept all of the worst aspects of their old imperial system and got rid of the unifying cultural aspects of it. The only difference between the modern Chinese government and the imperial system is that the at least the emperors had some kind of legitimacy of history. The current government is just as bloated, corrupt, inept and inefficient but it doesn’t even have the slightest opiate of opulence and grandeur and a glorious past.

I’m sorry but I don’t think the communist government will be dominating China in a decade, let alone the American automobile industry.
 
We had the same discussion with the introduction of the automobile.

We? I thought you were seventeen. I guess you're more like one hundred and forty or so. At that age I would assume you also vote Democrat since they have a monopoly on all voters over 130.
 
Communists are by nature either sociopaths, extremely stupid, or lazy and disengaged.

Communists like the running dog gangsters who run the CCP are also affected by narcissism. They believe that their ideas, notions, and whims are infallible and perfect and the only reason their glorious ideas fail is because of the traitors and defeatists who fail to support their Revolution.

Their actions, dictates, and corrupt perversions lead to schisms in the Chinese market that cause idiocies like the Ghost Cities to be built.
 
Communists like the running dog gangsters who run the CCP are also affected by narcissism. They believe that their ideas, notions, and whims are infallible and perfect and the only reason their glorious ideas fail is because of the traitors and defeatists who fail to support their Revolution.

Their actions, dictates, and corrupt perversions lead to schisms in the Chinese market that cause idiocies like the Ghost Cities to be built.
The ghost cities really are the most egregious examples. You’re exactly right. What kind of myopic morons build cities that no one will live in? Do they even turn those cities on? Are the buildings being air conditioned and maintained? If not they won’t last a decade. If so then what an incredible waste of of energy.

Of course if the buildings deteriorate in a decade then it’s also been a massive waste of irreplaceable resources. It’s just the dumbest system imaginable.
 
Ford CEO Jim Farley:

This Xiaomi car… is fantastic. They sell ten thousand, twenty thousand a month,” Farley said. “I don’t like talking about the competition much, but we flew [an SU7] from Shanghai to Chicago and I’ve been driving it for six months now, and I don’t want to give it up.”

Even if this was perhaps intended to be a "suggestion" to his engineers to work harder, and a warning shot to the unions, he did seem incredibly impressed.

Xiaomi was founded in 2010, and has only started making cars since March 2024.......
I think there's a false dichotomy being set up and then people are slipping into partisan cheering for one side or the other. Reality is that electric vehicles are great when they're new, and work well for specific purposes. There's always a good side.

And regarding China, the Chinese are getting good at manufacturing things now, just like the Japanese did. Japan went through decades of copying Western manufacturers, started innovating, and became some of the best quality manufacturers in the world. China is following the same trajectory. They are at the tail end of that copying period and are starting to pull ahead in some areas. Their cellphones are great, I've been using Chinese cellphones for years now. And even the non-Chinese ones are manufactured there.

The problem with EVs is that they don't last. Not that they're Chinese and therefore crap - that's simplistic. It's because electronics just don't last. I've got old computers from the 90s that I've stored carefully knowing they'd be museum pieces one day, put them away in working order, but when you try using them sometimes you find one just won't start up any more. Electronics corrode, tiny little faults occur, and they're essentially impossible to repair. The same will happen for all computerised cars, so neither EVs nor hybrids nor overly complex ICE vehicles will last like old cars did.

But electric vehicles are really good for some applications. Electric forklifts stop exhaust in factories, electric mining vehicles stop exhaust in coalmines, and EVs can reduce smog in inner cities (in all cases usually by transferring it to coal power stations elsewhere, but it's still not a bad thing). And an EV can be made very simply - the sorts of EVs they made in the 1890s ARE able to be maintained forever.

I have long planned simple EV conversions for short-range farm use, I'd like to make one that was purely electromechanical and had no electronics. I have no objection to electricity. It's all about finding the right tool for the job.

Religiously deciding "EVs are the future" is not rational, nor is deciding EVs are all wrong - both will result in bad decisionmaking and using the wrong tool for the job.
 
And regarding China, the Chinese are getting good at manufacturing things now, just like the Japanese did. Japan went through decades of copying Western manufacturers, started innovating, and became some of the best quality manufacturers in the world. China is following the same trajectory. They are at the tail end of that copying period and are starting to pull ahead in some areas.
In fact, that's exactly what the US auto industry did also. In 1900 they were well behind Europe, and started by copying French and German designs, with early American cars using technology Europe had already moved past. But they quickly started innovating, and by 1910 were pulling ahead in some areas, particularly mass production.
Globe.

Cadillac uses a globe but I believe that was more then 1940s.

Triumph used a globe, but not sure about the religious symbol, they used a version with wings, but I do not think that was supposed to be the wings of an angel.

Will ponder this.
Good, I hit the right level of obscurity. Good luck! Can give you a country if you're struggling.
 
Not repairing per se isn't issue.

Six Sigma revolution made repairing uneconomical. Simply put, if new product costs same as repairing as old, then why to repair?

Key issue with modern times is manufacturers doing everything to stop repair option. Just put it all in software and you can't touch it because it's manufacturers IP.
This is true for many things now, the parts to repair cost more than buying a new one. I remember the first time this happened when I was 15. My father is an engineer and always fixed everything, we very rarely bought anything new. We moved into a house that came with a microwave when I was 8. When I was 15 it stopped working and he attempted to fix it. What was wrong was the control panel behind the buttons had fried so it just needed a new one. It cost more than a new microwave to buy that part. So we threw out a whole microwave that would have been fine. We are living in a throw away society and there is no way around it.
 
This is true for many things now, the parts to repair cost more than buying a new one. I remember the first time this happened when I was 15. My father is an engineer and always fixed everything, we very rarely bought anything new. We moved into a house that came with a microwave when I was 8. When I was 15 it stopped working and he attempted to fix it. What was wrong was the control panel behind the buttons had fried so it just needed a new one. It cost more than a new microwave to buy that part. So we threw out a whole microwave that would have been fine. We are living in a throw away society and there is no way around it.
It's electronics. Transistors are too small to be repairable.

I have read book by CEO of Motorola division. They were able to cut defect rate by over 1200X times (number is correct).

Basically they drove cost of quality from 25-40% of sales to less than 1%. Cost of quality includes everything connected with quality (scrap, testing etc..)
 
Communists like the running dog gangsters who run the CCP are also affected by narcissism. They believe that their ideas, notions, and whims are infallible and perfect and the only reason their glorious ideas fail is because of the traitors and defeatists who fail to support their Revolution.

Their actions, dictates, and corrupt perversions lead to schisms in the Chinese market that cause idiocies like the Ghost Cities to be built.

No no, I said they were communist and therefore crap. If the Chinese quit being Connie’s I might worry. But communism always fails.
Sadly for you, China is now one of most capitalist countries in world. It doesn't have eminent domain.

Result: nail houses. State wants to build road over your house, you say get lost, road goes around your house:


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Regarding Chinese car production.

Glenn Luk is great source. I love how we makes fun of regular "Chinese watchers" economists.

Here is one article:


I'm certain you can find rest.
 
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The ghost cities really are the most egregious examples. You’re exactly right. What kind of myopic morons build cities that no one will live in? Do they even turn those cities on? Are the buildings being air conditioned and maintained? If not they won’t last a decade. If so then what an incredible waste of of energy.

Of course if the buildings deteriorate in a decade then it’s also been a massive waste of irreplaceable resources. It’s just the dumbest system imaginable.
Here is another report:


What most miss is that China had urbanization rate of about 35% in 80s and is 2010s about 65-75%. Country us full urban when urbanization rate is at least 85%.

So urbanization rate can go up at least 10% which means at least 140M will move into cities. Also don't forget people buying second home.

Last key info is that 500K city is 5. tier (lowest one) in China.

So building full cities makes sense for China.
 
Good, I hit the right level of obscurity. Good luck! Can give you a country if you're struggling.
I have seen a Ford Taunus, which has a map of the earth as a logo, and the Cathedral of Cologne on it, but that is 1970s.

So I searched if earlier German Fords have those symbols, the Ford Eifel and the Ford Köln had the Cathedral of Cologne on them but no earth on it, will search if certain models/model years had it.

Another thing that came to mind is the Oldsmobile ringed Earth logo of the 1920, but I do not see the religious connection unless one considers the ring to be a halo.

Hot or Cold?

It just occurred to be that I considered religious to mean christian, but you never said that, I guess we have to expand to brands like Maserati, or the Dodge Brothers with the 6 pointed star.
 
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Last guess was correct, well done.

The Dodge Brothers logo is a "Star of David" covering a globe. Which I find hilarious, it's exactly the sort of logo you'd make after being strictly lectured "just don't mention the Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, that's a secret" and it's then the only thing you can think of...
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