I'm not debating beauty. I'm debating whether or not the man is in control of being satisfied after he's gotten married. Which the Bible clearly says he is.
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I'm not debating beauty. I'm debating whether or not the man is in control of being satisfied after he's gotten married. Which the Bible clearly says he is.
Again, you are quoting that Scripture out of context.
That is not what the Scripture is saying at all! I have a way of staying satisfied, that does not involve either beer goggles or being hooked on porn, but not having any standards, simply will not fly in my household.
Show me! Show me how it saying literally be satisfied with the wife of your youth and be enamored by her breasts and love as quoting out of scripture. You are making the same argument worn who don't want to submit make to get our of what the Bible actually tells them they need to do.
I already did! Did you not pay attention to where I said that the context is about not taking another man's wife? Go back and read what I posted!
Cool in your household. Doesn't not show in scripture. Your standard for marrying your wife was marrying her. Forcing expectations that aren't biblical isn't scriptural is all I'm saying. Once again we can do things to please each other but it doesn't mean a man's satisfaction depends on it.
We just aren't going to communicate I think. You pointed to a chapter that's says for a man to be satisfied with his wife so he doesn't commit adultery as your argument so that his wife needs to hold up to all his expectations so he doesn't stray into sin. Sounds like a really weak willed man to me, a man that has no self control ... which is also a fruit of the spirit... Perhaps he could just get over himself and be satisfied with what he's got at home.
Proverbs 5
1 My son, pay attention to my wisdom,
turn your ear to my words of insight,
2 that you may maintain discretion
and your lips may preserve knowledge.
3 For the lips of the adulterous woman drip honey,
and her speech is smoother than oil
4 but in the end she is bitter as gall,
sharp as a double-edged sword.
5 Her feet go down to death;
her steps lead straight to the grave.
6 She gives no thought to the way of life;
her paths wander aimlessly, but she does not know it.
7 Now then, my sons, listen to me;
do not turn aside from what I say.
8 Keep to a path far from her,
do not go near the door of her house,
9 lest you lose your honor to others
10 lest strangers feast on your wealth
and your toil enrich the house of another.
11 At the end of your life you will groan,
when your flesh and body are spent.
12 You will say, “How I hated discipline!
How my heart spurned correction!
13 I would not obey my teachers
or turn my ear to my instructors.
14 And I was soon in serious trouble
in the assembly of God’s people.
15 Drink water from your own cistern,
running water from your own well.
16 Should your springs overflow in the streets,
your streams of water in the public squares?
17 Let them be yours alone,
never to be shared with strangers.
18 May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 A loving doe, a graceful deer
may her breasts satisfy you always,
may you ever be intoxicated with her love.
20 Why, my son, be intoxicated with another man’s wife?
Why embrace the bosom of a wayward woman?
21 For your ways are in full view of the Lord,
and he examines all your paths.
22 The evil deeds of the wicked ensnare them;
the cords of their sins hold them fast.
23 For lack of discipline they will die
led astray by their own great folly.
1 My son, pay attention to my wisdom,
turn your ear to my words of insight,
2 that you may maintain discretion
and your lips may preserve knowledge.
3 For the lips of the adulterous woman drip honey,
and her speech is smoother than oil
4 but in the end she is bitter as gall,
sharp as a double-edged sword.
5 Her feet go down to death;
her steps lead straight to the grave.
6 She gives no thought to the way of life;
her paths wander aimlessly, but she does not know it.
7 Now then, my sons, listen to me;
do not turn aside from what I say.
8 Keep to a path far from her,
do not go near the door of her house,
9 lest you lose your honor to others
10 lest strangers feast on your wealth
and your toil enrich the house of another.
11 At the end of your life you will groan,
when your flesh and body are spent.
12 You will say, “How I hated discipline!
How my heart spurned correction!
13 I would not obey my teachers
or turn my ear to my instructors.
14 And I was soon in serious trouble
in the assembly of God’s people.
15 Drink water from your own cistern,
running water from your own well.
16 Should your springs overflow in the streets,
your streams of water in the public squares?
17 Let them be yours alone,
never to be shared with strangers.
18 May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 A loving doe, a graceful deer
may her breasts satisfy you always,
may you ever be intoxicated with her love.
20 Why, my son, be intoxicated with another man’s wife?
Why embrace the bosom of a wayward woman?
21 For your ways are in full view of the Lord,
and he examines all your paths.
22 The evil deeds of the wicked ensnare them;
the cords of their sins hold them fast.
23 For lack of discipline they will die
led astray by their own great folly.
I am just quoting the chapter that you ripped those verses from. You neglected to mention the part I underlined, where she is described as a graceful deer.
Isn't the "weak-willed man" the argument the same one that is used by anti-polys against why a man shouldn't have more than one wife?
Not from me it's not. It's only towards people who can't be satisfied with the blessing they've been given.
Having a standard, is not the same thing as forcing that standard onto her. A man can be dishonest and pretend that his wife is truly sexually satisfying to him, for only so long before it erupts on him and her, or he can be honest about where his wife is, and she can respond to that as she sees fit.
Well, it is invalid regardless of who it is that is using it.
The word for loving there (H157):
I. Loves, amours
II. Love
As for graceful (H2603) it says:
I. Favour, grace, charm.
A. Favor, grace, elegance
B. Favour, acceptance
These are personality characteristics. Not physical attributes. A big gal can be graceful and elegance. A skinny one can be clumsy. These do not seem to be saying anything about what her body type is, only what the man is suppose to make of her.
And "Deer" is a metaphor for what???? Have you ever seen an obese deer?
No but I've seen some awfully mangy ones, which is why we shouldn't focus on the appearance only on the command.
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No, you can't pick and choose which parts of the verse you like. LOL! So then what do you think those metaphors are then? First you try to say that big girls can be elegant, and then you change it to be something about being mangy! Well, I am sure that the "deer" metaphor, is talking about an elegant deer, not a mangy one! Have you ever seen a graceful, mangy deer?
And maybe if a several hundred pound animal can be graceful and loving you could cut some slack towards the female humans. Lol!
I'm not picking choosing lol! You are focused on appearance! I'm focused on the command. I'm saying its all in how we view it, so do your best to view it to be satisfied because after all, you choose it.