Speaking of conspiracies....

[cubanito]

Exactly, keep searching and testing if that's what you feel you need. Since the scriptures are true over man, they will indeed come out correct.

Before I came to Christ much like you, I tested the historical Jesus, along with all other religions and philosophies. I found the truth in Christ through rigorous testing. I now no longer need to test anything in the Bible, I now seek good doctrine and interpretation, and take every word in it as truth. These questions of our world came to me about 7 years ago. I was perplexed on which way to go, and told myself I'd settle for whatever the scriptures say.

Immediately in reading a much different cosmology than what I've been taught started jumping off the pages at me. That was when I knew I was onto something real and genuine. I trusted the scriptures in what it said, though it was contrary to everything I was taugh

Flat earth talk is a gateway to biblical cosmology, which points directly to God being above our world. It has indeed been closed shut, and deemed too foolish to tread. It is as censored as any other topic they'd prefer you not to look into. Like vaccine hesitancy, 2020 election, LGBT/BLM slander. You name it. You'll find all the disinfo before you find the info. They've been trying to close the lid on it for a few years now.

If you look for the answers to our world in the bible, and the bible alone forsaking all that man has told you, it will be very easy for you too weed out the fakes.

But this takes a yearning for the truth so bad that you'd go against man's tradition and commonly held beliefs that they hold dear to their hearts.

I am trying to divorce the fake world, especially after the great depop scamdemia power grab. What would Claus Schwab say.. How about his mini me Noah Harari..

 

[cubanito]

Sacrilegious to some, but we should approach topic with respect to ones who are intimidated etc. I am willing to explore and test things. Not everyone wants to, some things are way too opposite to what we were programmed. Cognitive dissonance, normalcy bias, comfort zones etc. Hey, we are already walking in the wilderness with polygyny, why stop there. Lol Seek truth and test it well by the word and experiments help too.

The danger is the Ezekiel 14 principle. Stumbling blocks in hearts and that mess. We need to be curiously honest like little children.

 

[cubanito]

Exactly, keep searching and testing if that's what you feel you need. Since the scriptures are true over man, they will indeed come out correct.

Before I came to Christ much like you, I tested the historical Jesus, along with all other religions and philosophies. I found the truth in Christ through rigorous testing. I now no longer need to test anything in the Bible, I now seek good doctrine and interpretation, and take every word in it as truth. These questions of our world came to me about 7 years ago. I was perplexed on which way to go, and told myself I'd settle for whatever the scriptures say.

Immediately in reading a much different cosmology than what I've been taught started jumping off the pages at me. That was when I knew I was onto something real and genuine. I trusted the scriptures in what it said, though it was contrary to everything I was taught.

And I wanted to work for NASA as a child. Lol I would have been so disappointed.

 

[cubanito]

Sometimes wonder if they are a money laundering entity. Did they run out of lunar golf carts and lunar landers? They are fairly low profile lately. Weird..

 

[FollowingHim]

Crossing mid-Antarctica from where to where? Australia to South America or New Zealand to Africa?

The issue here is one of logistics as there are no private or public airfields on the continent so you cannot land to refuel unless you have permission from a military such as the US to land at their base, and very few aircraft can cover the approximate 6,800nm flight without refueling. Those aircraft capable of the flight (like a 747 or similar long distance aircraft) tend to be owned by companies that are unwilling to risk their $60m to $300m aircraft on a pleasure flight.

To confirm what @MeganC is saying, there actually used to be tourist flights over antarctica. That stopped when this happened:

Erebus disaster

On 28 November 1979, 237 passengers and 20 crew were killed when Air New Zealand Flight TE901 crashed into Mt Erebus, Antarctica. The tragedy was followed by a demanding recovery operation and a raging debate over who or what was to blame

nzhistory.govt.nz

Nobody's done it since, for logistics, safety and economic reasons.

Edit: Actually, I was wrong. Quantas restarted these flights in 1994, and you can book one today here:

Antarctica Flights | Sightseeing Flights from Australia

Take in the wonders of Antarctica from above. The sightseeing flights depart from Australian cities throughout summer. Space is limited - book your seat now.

www.antarcticaflights.com.au

 

[FollowingHim]

At this stage, just want the truth I can personally test.

So do I. I agree we should approach this issue with an open mind, and test it for ourselves. The key however is knowing how to test it robustly.

You do that by finding something that would clearly act one way if the earth is round & circling the sun (standard cosmology), and a completely different way if the earth were flat & covered by a dome. That is your hypothesis. Then, you carefully measure that thing for yourself to determine which way it behaves. That is your test.

I have approached this issue from that perspective, and personally tested this in two simple ways, using two observations that would behave very differently in either case:
- Angle of the horizon when viewed from a hill overlooking the sea.
- Movement of the stars in the Southern Hemisphere.

In both cases I have confirmed unambiguously that the earth is round. But I know this now from my own observations, and don't have to trust anyone else on it. Incidentally, people have known this for over 2000 years because anyone who has taken the time to make such observations using rigorous methodology has come to the same conclusion, the observations I've made could have been done by anyone since Adam.

I have found that most people I talk to who insist the earth is flat and say that you need to test it for yourself, have not actually tested it for themselves and are actually believing the words of others.

Would you like me to explain how I tested this in more detail @cubanito so you can do the same?

 

[cubanito]

So do I. I agree we should approach this issue with an open mind, and test it for ourselves. The key however is knowing how to test it robustly.

You do that by finding something that would clearly act one way if the earth is round & circling the sun (standard cosmology), and a completely different way if the earth were flat & covered by a dome. That is your hypothesis. Then, you carefully measure that thing for yourself to determine which way it behaves. That is your test.

I have approached this issue from that perspective, and personally tested this in two simple ways, using two observations that would behave very differently in either case:
- Angle of the horizon when viewed from a hill overlooking the sea.
- Movement of the stars in the Southern Hemisphere.

In both cases I have confirmed unambiguously that the earth is round. But I know this now from my own observations, and don't have to trust anyone else on it. Incidentally, people have known this for over 2000 years because anyone who has taken the time to make such observations using rigorous methodology has come to the same conclusion, the observations I've made could have been done by anyone since Adam.

I have found that most people I talk to who insist the earth is flat and say that you need to test it for yourself, have not actually tested it for themselves and are actually believing the words of others.

Would you like me to explain how I tested this in more detail @cubanito so you can do the same?

The anomaly I am finding is the angular velocity centrifugal vs gravitational pull (weight) when you travel from distant different latitudes. If you travel with same digital scales and same sealed luggage, there isn't any discernable change at all. You can travel from Canada to equatorial etc, no discernable change. You can repeat this all the time.
The other is on clear good visibility days, we can see too far using telescopes or a simple large mirror to reflect sunlight at the other side of a say, 10 mile lake. See, scamdemia made me question even more things. Airline pilot friend had already planted the seed and fraud-demia watered it. Should we trust the letter agencies or test things for ourselves is my point. Seems we live in their sort of deception matrix. Too many terrible agendas and lately, hard some manipulation. I have several friends who suffer from the coerced "safe and effective" clot spike fluid. That's why I decided to personally test some more things.

 

[cubanito]

The other problem is the bible description of the earth with four corners?, on pillars with a strong firmament to separate the waters above from waters below, I was taught my mainstream (mostly 501c3) church, all that old stuff was metaphor, now as I test things, seems bible might be more literal. That would somehow discredit uncle Beasty structure and his "trust the science" mantra. If it was true, would people demand new explanations from their ruling master systems? Wonder what would happen.
What would a modern wizard of Oz do?

 

[FollowingHim]

The anomaly I am finding is the angular velocity centrifugal vs gravitational pull (weight) when you travel from distant different latitudes. If you travel with same digital scales and same sealed luggage, there isn't any discernable change at all. You can travel from Canada to equatorial etc, no discernable change. You can repeat this all the time.

That is interesting. What change would you expect, when you do the maths? Should it be discernible on luggage scales or would it be below the measurement range?

The other is on clear good visibility days, we can see too far using telescopes or a simple large mirror to reflect sunlight at the other side of a say, 10 mile lake.

That is a well understood phenomenon that is very well explained in many places online (just search for "atmospheric refraction"). Basically, light doesn't actually travel in a straight line in the atmosphere, when it goes through air layers of different densities it bends. You can see light doesn't only move in straight lines if you look across a hot surface, like a stovetop or the hot air coming off a fire, and see everything on the other side appear to move slightly and be distorted. The hot air rising from the stove / fire has different densities to the air around, and the light bends as it goes through it. When it comes to looking at the horizon, air close to the ground is denser than air higher up, and this causes the light to bend slightly, curving with the earth to a slight degree, so you can see slightly further than the horizon. Depending on the weather conditions, largely the air temperature, some days you'll see further than other days.

 

[cubanito]

So do I. I agree we should approach this issue with an open mind, and test it for ourselves. The key however is knowing how to test it robustly.

You do that by finding something that would clearly act one way if the earth is round & circling the sun (standard cosmology), and a completely different way if the earth were flat & covered by a dome. That is your hypothesis. Then, you carefully measure that thing for yourself to determine which way it behaves. That is your test.

I have approached this issue from that perspective, and personally tested this in two simple ways, using two observations that would behave very differently in either case:
- Angle of the horizon when viewed from a hill overlooking the sea.
- Movement of the stars in the Southern Hemisphere.

In both cases I have confirmed unambiguously that the earth is round. But I know this now from my own observations, and don't have to trust anyone else on it. Incidentally, people have known this for over 2000 years because anyone who has taken the time to make such observations using rigorous methodology has come to the same conclusion, the observations I've made could have been done by anyone since Adam.

I have found that most people I talk to who insist the earth is flat and say that you need to test it for yourself, have not actually tested it for themselves and are actually believing the words of others.

Would you like me to explain how I tested this in more detail @cubanito so you can do the same?

Why are "standard" and "biblical" cosmological explanations almost opposite from one another? What would be the end result to humans of say a parallel, evolution vs creation?
I ponder all those things.

 

[cubanito]

Angular velocity force at about 1000 mph (vs standard gravitational pull) should be pretty great on a large sphere and / or circle like a marry go round trying to throw you out when not near center. So, there should be less net pull near equatorial zones. So, if you go from New Zealand to equatorial countries, your multiple luggage (multiple in case one gets something confiscated) and with an accurate digital scale, should weigh measurably less. It should be some discernable difference, not exactly the same with several different scales. Maybe the ball is much much bigger, or not moving and firmament luminaries are the ones moving like a planetarium (remember in bible the day the sun and moon went backwards and crustal inertia didn't cause a cataclysm and yashuas long day) , or we are living in some sort of cheese stuffed (practically forbidden under antarctic treaty) crust pizza like structure that's under God's throne, like God's foot stool. I guess mountains would be like the toppings?
Curious things to ponder.
It's fun to question things, actually good, so we can make sure we keep the things we personally vetted as facts etc. We definitely should not put too much faith in man's "trust the science" scams or manipulation agenda explanations. "
Did we know now we can choose our gender and get our "confirmation" paid for?
They say just trust the science. What's going on, did their mask come off?

 

[FollowingHim]

Angular velocity force at about 1000 mph (vs standard gravitational pull) should be pretty great on a large sphere and / or circle like a marry go round trying to throw you our when not near center. So, there should be less net pull near equatorial zones. So, if you go from New Zealand to equatorial countries, your multiple luggage (multiple in case one gets something confiscated and with an accurate digital scale, should weigh measurably less. It should be some discernable difference, not exactly the same with several different scales.

I absolutely agree that there should be a measurable difference. But luggage scales generally only measure to the nearest 100 grams. If the expected difference is only half a gram then you won't see it on your scales.

Have you actually calculated what difference you would actually expect to see if the earth is a globe? You have to calculate this first before you can test whether or not it exists, simply so you know what precision scales you'll need to use.

This is a very interesting experiment, I hadn't thought of this one before. But it does need to be done correctly.

Why are "standard" and "biblical" cosmological explanations almost opposite from one another?

They're only opposite if you interpret the scripture in a way that appears opposite. The same scriptures can be read entirely consistently with the standard view.

 

[cubanito]

With proper permission and approvals, we can also visit Cuba and North Korea to see how free they are. They will just keep an eye on us to make sure we don't start questioning the wrong people and determine wrong things. "For our own good" they would say.

 

[FollowingHim]

Have you actually calculated what difference you would actually expect to see if the earth is a globe? You have to calculate this first before you can test whether or not it exists, simply so you know what precision scales you'll need to use.

Actually, I'll help you out with this, because I'm interested.

Firstly, we need to know the net gravitational pull at different latitudes (gravity minus centrifugal force). Rather than doing all the complex maths, here's an online calculator that will tell us this for any latitude.

Local Gravity Calculator

This local gravity calculator determines the theoretical acceleration due to gravity at a particular location.

www.sensorsone.com

According to that, at the equator (latitude 0), gravity is 9.78033 g ms-2. And in Ottawa (latitude 45), net gravity is 9.8062 g ms-2.

Then we can plug this into another handy little calculator on the same site to work out the weight of the same object at each of these latitudes.

Mass to Weight Calculator

Use this calculator to determine the weight of an object from its mass and the acceleration due to gravity at a particular geographical location or any other source of gravitational attraction, F=mg

www.sensorsone.com

According to this, a 15kg suitcase will weigh 14.96kg at the equator, and 14.99kg in Ottawa. A 30g difference - bigger than I expected to be honest. Both would round off to 15.0 kg if your scale is only to the nearest 100g, so you certainly wouldn't see the difference with normal luggage scales. But you should be able to spot it with a laboratory scale.

 

[cubanito]

It's fun to question and test all things, way better than prefab entertainment from the control theater systems.

 

[cubanito]

Another curiosity is how can governments claim they own us and our children, the more socialist leaning, the more bold about it, eventually they don't allow human assets (like owned cattle) to leave. Cuba, north Korea and others. Who gave them the right or power to own humans like farm animals?
That topic can run deep. Lol
If they own humans like cattle, they can also force medical procedures and cull as many as desired since they are beast property.
Tell will tell you that when you don't allow some procedures for your children at hospital etc. Cuba for example is very blunt about it. Many other countries too.

 

[cubanito]

Here is another random topic conversation, seems interesting.

Mike Adams – Solutions & Breaking Free of the Coming World Order

JUL 20, 2023 Mike Adams joins Maria Zeee to discuss some of the alarming developments across the world including the globalists new "digital ledger," 13 nations agreeing to orchestrate global famine, incoming CBDC's, censorship laws and more. Mike and Maria discuss multiple solutions to these...

zeeemedia.com

 

[MemeFan]

Basically, light doesn't actually travel in a straight line in the atmosphere, when it goes through air layers of different densities it bends. You can see light doesn't only move in straight lines if you look across a hot surface, like a stovetop or the hot air coming off a fire, and see everything on the other side appear to move slightly and be distorted.

Isn't that wave property?

I think I had read somewhere that sonar has different speed depending on water density. Amd also that it's angle would be.

 

[cubanito]

Here is another random topic conversation, seems interesting.

Mike Adams – Solutions & Breaking Free of the Coming World Order

JUL 20, 2023 Mike Adams joins Maria Zeee to discuss some of the alarming developments across the world including the globalists new "digital ledger," 13 nations agreeing to orchestrate global famine, incoming CBDC's, censorship laws and more. Mike and Maria discuss multiple solutions to these...

zeeemedia.com

Has anyone looked into those big agendas and some possible solutions?

 

[raulus]

Has anyone looked into those big agendas and some possible solutions?

From what I've learned you can only stave it off for so long. Fighting it off is more a cultural, spiritual battle. But in time their agenda will likely take place. They are making great headway in so many areas of the world. Us Americans are very weak, the conservatives here are easy to push around because they are no longer anchored to the scriptures. They look more like the liberals of the 90's.

Faith is first. Notice in this verse there are some counted worthy to escape due to their much prayer. Which is a measure of faith.

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21‬:‭36‬

To have land, provisions, livestock, helps in the meantime, but can easily be confiscated as well. It is probably better to have wilderness and survival skills over prepper skills. This way you are mobile and more flexible to change. Think John the Baptist living off of wild honey and locusts in the wilderness, and likely he was doing some form of camping, living in caves, etc. Hunting and knowing how to set up camp is crucial. Making primitive tools out of your surroundings, another huge plus. Cleaning water, skinning hides, making clothes, foraging foods, how to administer medical aid, all great to know how to do when your money becomes useless and all of your belongings and livelihood are taken from you. And the more people with this type of knowledge in your circle, the better.

Like Jesus says in Matthew 24, pray your flight be not in the winter, go to the mountains, woe to those who children give suck in those days, likely people will be on foot and in the wilderness moving, when true tribulation appears. Which I do not believe that these agendas and tribulation are necessarily mutually exclusive.