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Will God speak differently to a husband and wife?

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steve said:
@rejoicinghandmaid, thank you for your response, but please note my exact wording.
“If He has to direct the husband.....”
This is not about whether He would speak to either of them first, it is about whether He needs to operate the husband by remote control through his wife. If the husband is not hearing from YHWH and has to be corrected by Words of prophecy through the womenfolk, something is wrong.
If a husband is needing to be interceded for by his wife on more than the rare occasion then I would say that his spiritual leadership is lacking.
Paul didn’t advise the women married to unbelievers to pray them into the Kingdom, he told them to win them by their actions, their lives. Their focus was to be upon their own walk.
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I didn't mean to ignore your response. Manipulation is never part of Yeshua's game plan. In human relationships I consider it to be very underhanded and in most if not all cases--despicable. The freedom to pray for, intercede on behalf of, and partner with in prayer is peculiar to the Christian's personal walk and journey. No other form of belief system affords this type of intimate spiritual connection on a human level nor with the deity. Because each of us are so human, "LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am. Psalms 39:4 and because our Lord GOD knows this also, "For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust." Psalms 103:14 I would ten times rather be praying and asking Him to do the sorting and sifting, than to be doing nothing when I could see or sense the need.

I appreciated Kevins comment: "When Jessica and I were being led to accept that Polygyny was not sinful but biblical He went to Jessica first. If he would of gone to me first I would of assumed it was my flesh and dismissed it never studying it out."

Obviously she had been praying, probably long before she went to Kevin to present what she felt she had permission from her Lord to present to him. He didn't get his feathers is a dust nor was she trying to tell him what to do. Healthy relationships have the openness to encounter different ideas and opinions. Searching the Scriptures together over a topic is bonding. Either may have a desire of the heart. Psalm 37:4,5 As long as that soul(s) is/are yielded to and listening to the Holy Spirit and doing exactly what those 2 verses say, then there will be peace and contentment, eventually. Desires change. I've seen my heart be set on a particular thing, but because I asked for His will and not mine, I've actually seen the Lord GOD begin to change my heart's desire, and I knew it was God. There's no doubt the same can happen for the husband. "The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will." Proverbs 21:1

The buck does stop at the head, which for the woman is man, but for the man is Christ. "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18 If the wife knows she is loved, she will not fear to come to her husband with something the Lord GOD has laid upon her heart, especially after praying over it and feeling she has the mind of the Lord on it and permission from Him to approach her husband. If the husband knows he is loved, he will not fear that she is trying to usurp his God-given authority when she comes to him with a request, suggestion, or idea. She will not fear when he comes to her with something the Lord GOD has laid upon his heart for their home because she will know he has already spent time in prayer and wrestled it out with Yeshua because the buck stops with him.

For me, Psalm 37:4,5 is a plumbline. "Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3 As the old mountain people of NC say (my husband hailed from there),"It's better to eat warm crow than cold crow any day of the week!" This brings it home for me--maybe says what Cap said above a little differently. If there are differences in what is being perceived from the Lord GOD, then both need to be on their faces before God, each for themselves, and each for the other. God in His divine Headship will bring clarity and unity so the headship of the home can reflect His headship, if that headship is willing.
 
Curtis Gerhart said:
Luke 16:13 KJV
[13] “No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”
The same is for the wife. She either serves her husband or Christ. Which is it? If it is Christ, then Paul n Peter were wrong. Disclaimer here, he better be sure or clear by the Word or her blood will be on his hands. Again, if Love is the foundation and center, the “head’s” faculties will be continually “tuned in” to God’s Voice, the Word. Great discussion all!
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Bare with me here: This took some thought for me reading your post. We serve God the Father and Christ, but we are not in conflict with the two, why? Well, because they are one, correct? Now since I am one with christ accepting him into my heart then my wife wouldn't be in conflict serving me and Him. As my wife and I are one flesh as with Christ. That doesn't mean I'm over Christ or equal to him, just as my wife is not with me.

If it were not for my wife's submission to Christ how could she submit and know to submit to me?

Here is a theory I have, as a daughter submits to her earthly father she then marries and is then submitted to her husband. She can't submit or serve both, but she was not "one flesh" with her earthly father. So is it possible for a woman to serve Christ and her father and then marry and serve her husband only??? At this point your stretching interpretation of the Word. I believe the answer is what I mentioned above. Since God and Christ are One, as the church/ body are one with Christ, so is the wife and husband one with Christ.

Marriage is a symbolism of Christ and the Church. Christ is one with God, yet serves and submits to Him. We who serve him are the bride, He is the groom.
John 3:27-29, "the bride belongs to the bridegroom, the friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegrooms voice".

Also see Matthew 25:1-13, talking about the 5 virgins going to marry the bridegroom (Christ). Good reference also for showing how Christ is poly minded. We as men are made in his image, so pretty realistic why we'd desire more than one bride :) hardly a idealistic desire of men.

Luke 16 is a great example to those who say a wife should be able to have more than one husband! A gal was arguing with me just last night about how it was not fair for me to have multiple wives but a woman can't. Can't explain to easily to non believers who only serve the flesh.
 
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Where it gets rough is when the wife believes that she has received a solid “Word” of correction for her husband and he will not accept it as being from YHWH.
 
I got to thinking about Balaam and his situation.
Did he have no wife for YHWH to speak through?
 
steve said:
Where it gets rough is when the wife believes that she has received a solid “Word” of correction for her husband and he will not accept it as being from YHWH.
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Isn't this were the church is suppose to come in?
 
Col 3:15 - 4:1

A slave, who is owned, has no will of his own; he can only do as his owner directs. How does he serve God then? As Paul taught, by being the best slave he can be; as if he was serving God Himself. He serves God by serving his master.

It is the same way for a wife. All the more so for while man was made to serve God, woman was created to be her man's helper. So she serves God by serving her husband. Even if he is not serving God himself, she might by her example show him the way as Peter taught.
 
steve said:
Can you support that concept with Scripture?
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Matthew 18:15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax Collector.

I do realize the current 'church' is not what it should be to do this.
 
steve said:
That’s it?
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Yes, for now. By the way, my original inquiry, "isn't this were the church comes in" was a question not a statement. Thanks for helping me find my own answer. I believe it is called Church Discipline.
 
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steve said:
“If He has to direct the husband.....”
This is not about whether He would speak to either of them first, it is about whether He needs to operate the husband by remote control through his wife.
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It seems to be a common idea in the American church today that God does exactly that.
 
Cap said:
Matthew 18:15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax Collector.

I do realize the current 'church' is not what it should be to do this.
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This kinda sounds like a conflation of authorities. IMO If a man has to use the church to submit his wife and family, there’s muuuuuuuuuch bigger problems.

Not saying you cant, just saying Satan would be passing out ice skates and fur coats before I would.
 
Verifyveritas76 said:
This kinda sounds like a conflation of authorities. IMO If a man has to use the church to submit his wife and family, there’s muuuuuuuuuch bigger problems.

Not saying you cant, just saying Satan would be passing out ice skates and fur coats before I would.
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I was kinda thinking in regards to a proper marriage counselor arrangement, if the church operated correctly. Kinda like BF. (There are certain men here I would carefully trust judgement on particular issues of this nature.)

I don't have scripture to back that up.
 
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