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CHRISTMAS - Exposed!

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CHRISTMAS UNWRAPPED - Exposing the Lies Surrounding the Birth of the Lord Jesus Christ​


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How It All Got Started Long before the advent of Christianity, plants and trees that remained green all year had a special meaning for people in the winter. Just as people today decorate their homes during the festive season with pine, spruce, and fir trees, ancient peoples hung evergreen boughs over their doors and windows. In many countries it was believed that evergreens would keep away witches, ghosts, evil spirits, and illness.
In the Northern hemisphere, the shortest day and longest night of the year falls on December 21 or December 22 and is called the winter solstice. Many ancient people believed that the sun was a god and that winter came every year because the sun god had become sick and weak. They celebrated the solstice because it meant that at last the sun god would begin to get well. Evergreen boughs reminded them of all the green plants that would grow again when the sun god was strong and summer would return.
The ancient Egyptians worshipped a god called Ra, who had the head of a hawk and wore the sun as a blazing disk in his crown. At the solstice, when Ra began to recover from the illness, the Egyptians filled their homes with green palm rushes which symbolized for them the triumph of life over death.
Early Romans marked the solstice with a feast called the Saturnalia in honor of Saturn, the god of agriculture. The Romans knew that the solstice meant that soon farms and orchards would be green and fruitful. To mark the occasion, they decorated their homes and temples with evergreen boughs. In Northern Europe the mysterious Druids, the priests of the ancient Celts, also decorated their temples with evergreen boughs as a symbol of everlasting life. The fierce Vikings in Scandinavia thought that evergreens were the special plant of the sun god, Balder.
Germany is credited with starting the Christmas tree tradition as we now know it in the 16th century when devout Christians brought decorated trees into their homes. Some built Christmas pyramids of wood and decorated them with evergreens and candles if wood was scarce. It is a widely held belief that Martin Luther, the 16th-century Protestant reformer, first added lighted candles to a tree. Walking toward his home one winter evening, composing a sermon, he was awed by the brilliance of stars twinkling amidst evergreens. To recapture the scene for his family, he erected a tree in the main room and wired its branches with lighted candles.
Most 19th-century Americans found Christmas trees an oddity. The first record of one being on display was in the 1830s by the German settlers of Pennsylvania, although trees had been a tradition in many German homes much earlier. The Pennsylvania German settlements had community trees as early as 1747. But, as late as the 1840s Christmas trees were seen as pagan symbols and not accepted by most Americans.
It is not surprising that, like many other festive Christmas customs, the tree was adopted so late in America. To the New England Puritans, Christmas was sacred. The pilgrims's second governor, William Bradford, wrote that he tried hard to stamp out "pagan mockery" of the observance, penalizing any frivolity. The influential Oliver Cromwell preached against "the heathen traditions" of Christmas carols, decorated trees, and any joyful expression that desecrated "that sacred event." In 1659, the General Court of Massachusetts enacted a law making any observance of December 25 (other than a church service) a penal offense; people were fined for hanging decorations. That stern solemnity continued until the 19th century, when the influx of German and Irish immigrants undermined the Puritan legacy.
In 1846, the popular royals, Queen Victoria and her German Prince, Albert, were sketched in the Illustrated London News standing with their children around a Christmas tree. Unlike the previous royal family, Victoria was very popular with her subjects, and what was done at court immediately became fashionable—not only in Britain, but with fashion-conscious East Coast American Society. The Christmas tree had arrived.
By the 1890s Christmas ornaments were arriving from Germany and Christmas tree popularity was on the rise around the U.S. It was noted that Europeans used small trees about four feet in height, while Americans liked their Christmas trees to reach from floor to ceiling.
The early 20th century saw Americans decorating their trees mainly with homemade ornaments, while the German-American sect continued to use apples, nuts, and marzipan cookies. Popcorn joined in after being dyed bright colors and interlaced with berries and nuts. Electricity brought about Christmas lights, making it possible for Christmas trees to glow for days on end. With this, Christmas trees began to appear in town squares across the country and having a Christmas tree in the home became an American tradition.
Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree The Rockefeller Center tree is located at Rockefeller Center, west of Fifth Avenue from 47th through 51st Streets in New York City.
The Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree dates back to the Depression Era days. The tallest tree displayed at Rockefeller Center came in 1948 and was a Norway Spruce that measured in at 100 feet tall and hailed from Killingworth, Connecticut.
The first tree at Rockefeller Center was placed in 1931. It was a small unadorned tree placed by construction workers at the center of the construction site. Two years later, another tree was placed there, this time with lights. These days, the giant Rockefeller Center tree is laden with over 25,000 Christmas lights.


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Controversy and criticism
Main article: Christmascontroversy
Throughout the holiday's history, Christmashas been the subject of both controversy and criticism from a wide variety of different sources. The first documented Christmas controversy was Christian-led, and began during the English Interregnum, when England was ruled by a Puritan Parliament. [107] Puritans (including thosewhofledto America) sought to remove the remaining pagan elements of Christmas. During this brief period,the EnglishParliament banned the celebrationofChristmasentirely,consideringit "a popish festival with no biblical justification", and a time of wasteful and immoralbehavior. [108]
Controversy and criticism continues inthe present-day, where some Christian and non-Christians have claimed that an affront to Christmas(dubbed a "war on Christmas" by some) is ongoing. [109][110] In the United States there has been a tendency to replace the greeting Merry Christmas with Happy Holidays. [111] Groups such as the AmericanCivil Liberties Union have initiated court cases to bar the display of images and othermaterialreferringtoChristmasfrom public property, including schools. [112] Such groups argue that government-funded displays ofChristmasimageryand traditions violate the First Amendment tothe United States Constitution, which prohibits the establishment by Congress of a national religion. [113] In 1984, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Lynch vs. Donnelly that a Christmasdisplay(which included a Nativity scene) ownedanddisplayedbythe city of Pawtucket, Rhode Island did not violate the First Amendment. [114] In November2009,the Federalappeals court in Philadelphia endorsed a schooldistrict's ban on the singing of Christmas carols. [115]
In the private sphere also, it has been alleged that any specific mention of the term "Christmas" or its religious aspects was being increasingly censored, avoided, or discouraged by a numberof advertisers and retailers. In response, the AmericanFamilyAssociation and othergroups have organized boycottsofindividual retailers. [116] In the United Kingdom there have been some minorcontroversies, one of the most famous being the temporarypromotion of the Christmas periodas Winterval by Birmingham City Council in 1998. There were also protests in November 2009 when the city of Dundee promotedits celebrations as the Winter Night Light festival, initially with no specific Christmas references. [117]

History
Pre-Christian background
Dies Natalis Solis Invicti
Main article: Sol Invictus
Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means "the birthday of the unconquered sun".
Modern scholars have argued that the festival was placed on the date of the solstice because this was on this day that the Sun reversed its southward retreat and proved itself to be "unconquered". [citation needed] Some early Christian writers connected the rebirth of the suntothe birthof Jesus. [7] "O, how wonderfullyacted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born...Christshould be born", Cyprian wrote. [7] JohnChrysostom also commented onthe connection: "They call it the 'Birthday of the Unconquered'. Who indeed is so unconquered as OurLord . . .?" [7]
Although Dies Natalis Solis Invicti has been the subject of a great deal of scholarly speculation,. [citation needed] the only ancient source for it is a single mention inthe Chronography of 354, and modernSolscholarSteven Hijmans argues that there is noevidencethat the celebration precedes that of Christmas: [27] "[W]hile the winter solstice on or around the 25th of December was well established in the Roman imperial calendar, there is no evidence that a religious celebrationofSolonthat day antedated the celebrationofChristmas, andnone that indicates that Aurelian had a hand in its institution." [27]
Winter festivals
Main article: List of winter festivals
A winter festival was the mostpopular festival of the year in many cultures. Reasons included the fact that less agricultural work needs to be done during the winter,as well as an expectation of betterweather as spring approached. [74] Modern Christmascustoms include: gift-giving and merrymaking from Roman Saturnalia; greenery, lights, and charity from the Roman New Year; and Yule logs and various foods from Germanic feasts. [75]
Pagan Scandinavia celebrated a winterfestival called Yule, held in the late December to early January period. [citation needed] As Northern Europe was the last part to Christianize, its pagan traditions had a major influence on Christmas, especially Koleda, [76] which was incorporated into the Christmas carol. Scandinavians still call Christmas Jul. In English, the word Yule is synonymouswith Christmas, [77] a usage firstrecorded in 900.
Christian feast The New Testament does not givea date forthe birthof Jesus. [7][78] Around AD 200, Clement of Alexandria wrote that a group in Egypt celebrated the nativity on25 Pashons. [7] This corresponds to May 20. [79] Tertullian (d. 220) does not mention Christmasas a major feast day in the Church of Roman Africa. [7] However, in Chronographai, a reference work published in 221, Sextus Julius Africanus suggested that Jesus was conceived on the spring equinox, popularizing the idea that Christwas born onDecember 25. [80][81] The equinoxwas March 25onthe Roman calendar, so this implied a birth in December. [82]
In 245, the theologian Origen of Alexandria stated that, "only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod)" celebrated their birthdays. [83] In 303, Christian writer Arnobius ridiculed the idea of celebrating the birthdays of gods. However, since Christmas does not celebrate Christ's birth"as God" but "as man", this is not evidenceagainst Christmasbeinga feastat this time. [7] Moreover, the fact that the innovation rejecting Donatist Church of North Africa celebrated Christmas suggests that the feasthad been established before the living memory of thosewhobegan that Church in 311.
Feast established
The earliest known reference to the date ofthe nativity as December 25 is found inthe Chronographyof354, an illuminated manuscript compiled in Rome. [84] In the East, early Christians celebrated the birthofChristas partof Epiphany (January 6), although this festival emphasized celebration of the baptism of Jesus. [85]
Christmas was promotedinthe Christian Eastas partofthe revival of Catholicism following the death ofthe pro-Arian Emperor Valens at the Battle of Adrianople in 378. The feast was introduced to Constantinople in 379, and to Antioch in about 380. The feast disappeared after Gregory of Nazianzus resigned as bishop in 381, although itwas reintroduced by JohnChrysostom in about 400. [7]
Middle Ages
In the Early Middle Ages, ChristmasDay was overshadowed by Epiphany, which in the westfocused onthe visitofthe magi. But the Medieval calendar was dominatedby Christmas-related holidays. The forty days before Christmas became the "forty days of St. Martin" (which began on November 11, the feastof St. Martin of Tours), now known as Advent. [15] In Italy, former Saturnalian traditions were attached to Advent. [15] Around the 12th century, these traditions transferred again to the Twelve Days of Christmas (December 25 – January 5); a time that appears in the liturgical calendars as Christmastide or Twelve Holy Days. [15]
The prominence of ChristmasDay increased gradually after Charlemagne was crownedEmperoron ChristmasDay in 800. King Edmund the Martyr was anointed on Christmasin 855 and King William I of England was crownedon Christmas Day 1066.
By the High Middle Ages, the holiday had become so prominent that chroniclers routinely notedwherevarious magnates celebrated Christmas. King Richard II of England hosted a Christmasfeastin1377at whichtwenty-eightoxen and three hundred sheep were eaten. [15] The Yule boar was a common feature of medieval Christmasfeasts. Caroling also became popular, and was originally a group of dancers who sang. The group was composed of a lead singer and a ring of dancers that provided the chorus. Various writers of the time condemnedcaroling as lewd, indicating that the unruly traditions of Saturnalia and Yule may have continued in this form. [15] "Misrule"—drunkenness, promiscuity, gambling—was also an important aspect of the festival. In England, gifts were exchanged on New Year's Day, and there was special Christmas ale. [15]
Christmas during the Middle Ages was a public festival that incorporated ivy, holly, and otherevergreens. [86] Christmas gift-giving during the Middle Ages was usually between people with legal relationships, such as tenant and landlord. [86] The annual indulgence in eating, dancing, singing, sporting,andcard playing escalated inEngland,and by the 17th century the Christmasseason featured lavish dinners, elaborate masques and pageants. In 1607, King James I insisted that a play be acted on Christmas night and that the court indulge in games. [87] It was during the Reformation in 16th–17th centuryEurope that many Protestants changed the giftbringer to the ChristChild or Christkindl, and the date ofgiving gifts changedfrom December 6 to ChristmasEve. [63]
Reformation into the 19th century Following the Protestant Reformation, groups such as the Puritans strongly condemnedthe celebrationofChristmas, considering it a Catholic inventionandthe "trappings of popery" or the "rags of the Beast." [18] The Catholic Church responded by promotingthe festival in a more religiously oriented form. King Charles I of England directed his noblemen and gentryto return to their landed estates in midwinter to keep up their old style Christmas generosity. [87] Following the Parliamentarian victory over Charles I during the English Civil War, England's Puritan rulers banned Christmasin1647. [18]
Protests followed as pro-Christmasrioting broke out in several cities and for weeks Canterbury was controlled by the rioters, who decorated doorways with holly and shouted royalist slogans. [18] The book, The Vindication of Christmas (London, 1652), argued against the Puritans, and makes note of Old English Christmas traditions, dinner, roast apples on the fire, card playing, dances with "plow-boys" and "maidservants",andcarolsinging. [88] The Restoration of King Charles II in 1660 ended the ban, butmany clergymen still disapproved of Christmascelebration. In Scotland, the Presbyterian Church ofScotland also discouraged observance of Christmas. James VI commanded its celebration in 1618, howeverattendance at churchwas scant. [89]
In Colonial America, the Puritans of New England shared radical Protestant disapproval of Christmas. Celebration was outlawed in Boston from 1659 to 1681. The ban by the Pilgrims was revoked in 1681 by English governor Sir Edmund Andros, howeveritwas not until the mid-19th century that celebrating Christmasbecame fashionablein the Boston region. [19]
At the same time, Christian residents of Virginia and New York observed the holiday freely. Pennsylvania German Settlers, pre-eminentlythe Moravian settlers of Bethlehem, Nazareth and Lititz in Pennsylvania and the Wachovia Settlements in North Carolina, were enthusiastic celebrators of Christmas. The MoraviansinBethlehemhadthe first Christmas trees in America as well as the firstNativity Scenes. [90] Christmas fell out of favor in the United States after the American Revolution, when it was considered an English custom. [91] George Washington attacked Hessian (German) mercenaries on Christmas during the Battle of Trenton in 1777, Christmasbeingmuch more popularin Germany than in America at thistime.
By the 1820s, sectarian tensionhadeasedinBritain and writers, including William Winstanly, began to worry that Christmas was dying out.These writers imagined Tudor Christmas as a time of heartfelt celebration, and efforts were made to revive the holiday. In 1843, Charles Dickens wrote the novel A ChristmasCarol, that helped revive the 'spirit' of Christmasandseasonal merriment. [16][17] Its instant popularity played a major role in portraying Christmas as a holiday emphasizing family, goodwill, and compassion. [92]
Dickens sought to construct Christmas as a family-centered festival of generosity,in contrast to the community-based and church-centered observations, the observance of which had dwindled during the late 18th century and early 19th century. [93]
Superimposing his secular vision of the holiday, Dickens influenced many aspects of Christmas that are celebrated today in Western culture, such as family gatherings,seasonal food and drink,dancing, games, and a festive generosity of spirit. [94] A prominent phrase from the tale, 'Merry Christmas', was popularized following the appearance of the story. [95]
The term Scrooge became a synonym for miser, with 'Bah! Humbug!' dismissive of the festive spirit. [96] In 1843, the first commercial Christmascard was produced by Sir Henry Cole. [97] The revival of the ChristmasCarol began with William B. Sandys ChristmasCarols Ancient and Modern (1833), with the first appearance in printof 'The First Noel', 'I Saw Three Ships', 'Hark the HeraldAngels Sing' and 'God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen', popularized in Dickens' A Christmas Carol.
In Britain, the Christmastree was introduced in the early 19th century following the personal union withthe Kingdom of Hanover, by Charlotte ofMecklenburg-Strelitz, Queen to King George III. In 1832 a young Queen Victoria wrote about her delight at having a Christmastree,hung with lights, ornaments, and presents placed round it. [98] After her marriage to her German cousin Prince Albert, by 1841 the custom became more widespreadthroughout Britain. [50]
An image of the British royal family with their Christmas tree at Windsor Castle, created a sensation when it was published in the Illustrated LondonNews in 1848. A modified version of this image was published in the United States in 1850. [51][99] By the 1870s, putting up a Christmas tree had become common inAmerica. [51]
In America, interest in Christmashad been revived in the 1820s by several short stories by Washington Irving which appear in his The Sketch Book of Geoffrey Crayon and "Old Christmas". Irving's stories depicted harmonious warm-hearted English Christmasfestivities he experienced while staying in Aston Hall, Birmingham, England, that had largely been abandoned, [100] and he used the tract Vindication of Christmas (1652) of Old English Christmas traditions, that he had transcribed into his journal as a format for his stories. [87]
In 1822, Clement Clarke Moore wrote the poem A Visit From St. Nicholas (popularly known byits firstline: Twas the Night Before Christmas). [101] The poem helped popularize the tradition of exchanging gifts, and seasonal Christmas shopping began to assume economic importance. [102] This also started the cultural conflict of the holiday's spiritualism and its commercialism that some see as corrupting the holiday. In her 1850 book"The FirstChristmasinNew England", Harriet Beecher Stowe includes a characterwho complains that the true meaning of Christmaswas lostina shopping spree. [103]
While the celebrationofChristmaswas not yetcustomaryin some regions in the U.S., Henry Wadsworth Longfellow detected "a transition state about Christmashere in New England" in 1856. "The old puritan feelingprevents itfrom being a cheerful, hearty holiday; thoughevery year makes it more so". [104] In Reading, Pennsylvania, a newspaper remarked in 1861, "Even our presbyterianfriends whohave hitherto steadfastly ignored Christmas— threw open their church doors and assembled in force to celebrate the anniversary of the Savior's birth". [104]
The First Congregational Church ofRockford, Illinois, 'although of genuine Puritanstock',was 'preparing fora grand Christmas jubilee', a news correspondent reported in 1864. [104] By 1860, fourteen states including severalfrom New England had adopted Christmasas a legalholiday. [105]
In 1870, Christmas was formally declared a United States Federal holiday, signedintolawbyPresident Ulysses S. Grant. [105] Subsequently, in 1875, Louis Prang introduced the Christmas card to Americans.He has beencalledthe "father of the AmericanChristmascard". [106]
 
wiki: Christmas or Christmas Day [3][4][5] is an annual holiday generally observed on December 25 (with alternative days of January 6, 7 and 19 [2] ) to commemorate the birth of Jesus, the central figure of Christianity. [6][7] The holiday was first sanctionedbythe Roman state Church in the early-to-mid 4th century, [8][9]
& remains one of the centralfeasts in the Christian liturgicalyear. [10][7] The exact birthday of Jesus is not known,andthe date for Christmas is thought to have been selected to coincide with either the date ofthe Roman winter solstice, [11] one of various ancient winter festivals, [12][13] or the dayexactly nine months after Jesus’ traditionalconception date. [12]
The holiday was initially instituted to commemorate solely the nativity of Jesus, and many celebrants continue to incorporate this element at the forefront of their celebrations. However, many customs associated with Christmas developed independentlyof the commemoration of Jesus’ birth, & are today considered secular. Certain elementsfrom pre-Christian festivals that were celebrated around the winter solstice by pagan populations who were later converted to Christianity, became syncretized into Christmasover the centuries, including the Yule log from Yule & gift giving from Saturnalia. [14] The prevailing atmosphere of Christmas has also continually evolved since the holiday's inception, ranging from a raucous, drunken, carnival-like state through the Middle Ages, [15] to a tamer family-orientedandchildren-centered theme since a 19th-century reformation. [16][17] The celebrationof Christmas has been banned on more than one occasion within Christendom due to concerns that it was too pagan or unbiblical. [18][19]
In addition to being widely celebrated by the adherents of most denominations of Christianity, Christmasis observed by an increasing numberofnon-Christians worldwide. [1][20][21] It is also an officially-recognized holiday in a vast majorityof the world's nations, including ones that separatereligion from government and/or have a negligible population of Christians. Popular worldwide Christmas customs as ofthe 21st centuryinclude gift giving, music, an exchange of Christmascards, church celebrations, a special meal, & the display of various decorations; including Christmastrees, lights, garlands, mistletoe, nativity scenes, & holly. In addition, several figures, known as Saint Nicholas, FatherChristmas, & Santa Claus, amongothernames,have becomeassociated with bringing gifts to children during the Christmas season. [22]
Christmas is central to the Christmasandholiday season, & in Christianity marks the beginningofthe largerseason of Christmastide, which lasts twelve days. [23] Because gift giving & many otheraspectsofthe Christmasfestival involve heightened economic activity among the holiday's billions of celebrants, the holiday has also becomea significant event & a key sales periodforretailers & businesses around the world. The economic impact of Christmas is a factor that has grown steadily over the past few centuries in many regions ofthe world.
 
You shouldn’t drop a grain silo on them.
Then maybe we should have an area for learning, I'm limited on what I can do.
Once The Synagogue is made we will have classes, but on this forum it is not as clean looking.
 
Should I feed people manually too?
If people are interested they will read your resources. But this is a forum, it’s designed for discussions, not one sided lecture teaching.

Again this attitude is very off putting.

While your resources are fantastic and exhaustive, your attitude is exhausting.
 
If people are interested they will read your resources. But this is a forum, it’s designed for discussions, not one sided lecture teaching.

Again this attitude is very off putting.

While your resources are fantastic and exhaustive, your attitude is exhausting.
The information is here, I wish it had a better and easier way to read it but for now its all I can do.
Now, if someone wants to talk about they are free to do so.
 
You could synthesize it down to a few paragraphs, point out the most salient passages and show where you think which pagan holiday got morphed in to Christmas.

I’ve already shown why I’m currently unconvinced this actually happened. I don’t think winter solstice or Sol Invictus or Saturnalia are good candidates and I’ve shown why. What are the arguments for them being the culprit?
 
You could synthesize it down to a few paragraphs, point out the most salient passages and show where you think which pagan holiday got morphed in to Christmas.

I’ve already shown why I’m currently unconvinced this actually happened. I don’t think winter solstice or Sol Invictus or Saturnalia are good candidates and I’ve shown why. What are the arguments for them being the culprit?

Both Christmas and Easter was handmade to bring in Pagans, but anything that is known to be Pagan should be off limits to us as G-d said do not as the pagans do. Christmas used to last 12 days like 12 days of Yule.

I am looking a Catholic Website and looking for why they are okay with Christmas:

"Here is their main point."
"because the Church has the ability to Christianize people and celebrations alike. Light overcame darkness at the celebration of Sol Invictus, and, in Christ, darkness was defeated by the real luminousness of Christ. Paganism had a hint, but Christianity had the fulfillment."

I put this link as an audio: https://www.biblegateway.com/audio/mclean/kjv/Acts.17.23-Acts.17.28

Here is The Whole Verse
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

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Here is how The Catholic's post it on their site.
“For as I passed along, and observed the object of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, ‘to an unknown god.What therefore your worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you . . . that [every nation of men] should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him” (Acts 17:23, 27)

A desire for the “unknown God” is written on the hearts of all men. The Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it this way:


Ultimately Catholic Belief is that They have Full Power to Add and Take Away as they Will, just like Shabbat going from Saturday to Sunday.

Conclusion

There is nothing wrong with the Church baptizing certain practices of other religions. The objector is claiming the Church derived its beliefs from these celebrations when it only assimilated such seasonal celebrations and symbols. St. Patrick did the same with the clover to illuminate and demonstrate the reality of the Trinity, as did St. Paul in explaining the “unknown god” at the Areopagus. Paul did not derive the idea of God from the Greeks that day, and Patrick did not derive the Trinity from a leaf.

We don’t believe that Christians hold the patent on truth. Instead, we believe that God has allowed hints of himself in other religions. In other words, just because a specific religion does not contain the whole truth does not mean it contains no truth. If you witness to a pagan who believes a wreath will save him, maybe you can show him how Jesus is the fulfillment of that promise of everlasting life. Then, like the cross that hangs from our necks, we can display a wreath to remind us what is true. In this way, Christianity has the distinct ability to assimilate the “hints” of other religions.

I find the following passage from Vatican II’s Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions especially enlightening:

The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to himself (Nostra Aetate 4).
 
We don’t believe that Christians hold the patent on truth. Instead, we believe that God has allowed hints of himself in other religions. In other words, just because a specific religion does not contain the whole truth does not mean it contains no truth.
You have highlighted this statement to draw our attention to it. Do you not agree with that statement yourself? Let's drop some actual religions in there:

"In other words, just because Judaism does not contain the whole truth does not mean it contains no truth."
That is obvious. Judaism contains an enormous amount of truth - and Christianity itself is rooted in the Tanakh.

"In other words, just because Islam does not contain the whole truth does not mean it contains no truth."
Also obviously true. Islam asserts one monotheistic creator God, it confirms the authority of every biblical prophet, and even asserts many of the key truths about the Messiah - the virgin birth, his exalted status not only as a prophet but as one greater than all other prophets before him, the fact he will return again. Many Muslims come to follow Jesus through first studying Him in the Koran, and being led through that to the Bible. Islam contains an enormous amount of truth.

The same can be said for many other religions. The ancient Chinese believed in a monotheistic "God of Heaven", Shang Di, who was the creator. The ancient Chinese border sacrifice at the Temple of Heaven included the following recitation:
‘Of old in the beginning, there was the great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements [planets] had not begun to revolve, nor the sun and moon to shine. You, O Spiritual Sovereign, first divided the grosser parts from the purer. You made heaven. You made earth. You made man. All things with their reproducing power got their being.’
That is the essence of Genesis 1 - an excellent starting point from which to teach the more detailed truth of scripture.

And obviously Acts 17:23-28 and Romans 1:20 state this principle very clearly. Are you disagreeing with this basic foundational concept?
 
You have highlighted this statement to draw our attention to it. Do you not agree with that statement yourself? Let's drop some actual religions in there:

"In other words, just because Judaism does not contain the whole truth does not mean it contains no truth."
That is obvious. Judaism contains an enormous amount of truth - and Christianity itself is rooted in the Tanakh.

"In other words, just because Islam does not contain the whole truth does not mean it contains no truth."
Also obviously true. Islam asserts one monotheistic creator God, it confirms the authority of every biblical prophet, and even asserts many of the key truths about the Messiah - the virgin birth, his exalted status not only as a prophet but as one greater than all other prophets before him, the fact he will return again. Many Muslims come to follow Jesus through first studying Him in the Koran, and being led through that to the Bible. Islam contains an enormous amount of truth.

The same can be said for many other religions. The ancient Chinese believed in a monotheistic "God of Heaven", Shang Di, who was the creator. The ancient Chinese border sacrifice at the Temple of Heaven included the following recitation:

That is the essence of Genesis 1 - an excellent starting point from which to teach the more detailed truth of scripture.

And obviously Acts 17:23-28 and Romans 1:20 state this principle very clearly. Are you disagreeing with this basic foundational concept?

We don’t believe that Christians hold the patent on truth. Instead, we believe that God has allowed hints of himself in other religions.

FollowingHim: You are free to believe as you will, but for me and my house we do not believe there is any Path to G-d in any other Religions.
Nor do we believe man can Change Anything of G-d like The Catholics believe.

Many half-truths will pull people away from G-d, if you put clean water into a dirty glass you end up with Dirty Water as well.
The Religion of The Future is Find Truth from Many Religions.
 

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You are free to believe as you will, but for me and my house we do not believe there is any Path to G-d in any other Religions.
Don't twist my words. I did not say there was a path to God in any other religion. I just pointed out that the statement that there is truth in other religions, which you appeared to be arguing against, is a self-evident truth that you even believe yourself.

To illustrate, Judaism says there is one God. So does Islam.

Is that true? Is there truth within Judaism? Is there truth within Islam?

Or do both Judaism and Islam contain no truth - meaning there must NOT be one God (ie there is no god or many gods, but cannot be one because if there was both Judaism and Islam would contain a truth)?

Obviously you believe there is a lot of truth in Judaism. So how can you simultaneously believe it is right for you to see hints of God in Judaism, but then condemn anyone else who says "we believe that God has allowed hints of himself in other religions"? This is hypocrisy.
 
Don't twist my words. I did not say there was a path to God in any other religion. I just pointed out that the statement that there is truth in other religions, which you appeared to be arguing against, is a self-evident truth that you even believe yourself.

To illustrate, Judaism says there is one God. So does Islam.

Is that true? Is there truth within Judaism? Is there truth within Islam?

Or do both Judaism and Islam contain no truth - meaning there must NOT be one God (ie there is no god or many gods, but cannot be one because if there was both Judaism and Islam would contain a truth)?

Obviously you believe there is a lot of truth in Judaism. So how can you simultaneously believe it is right for you to see hints of God in Judaism, but then condemn anyone else who says "we believe that God has allowed hints of himself in other religions"? This is hypocrisy.
There is 1 Faith and that is Judaism / True Faith of Abraham, Isaac and (Jacob/Israel).
Christian Faith is a Roman creation out of Judaism / True Faith of Abraham, Isaac and (Jacob/Israel).
Islam is similar to both Judaism / True Faith of Abraham, Isaac and (Jacob/Israel) & What is Called Christian Faith.

But I would not use Islam to show Truth in Judaism.
The Greatest Lie has some Truth and there are many Paths that lead to death.

Just because other religions believe in One " Creator Being" does not mean its Truth but if they don't believe in Him The G-d of Abraham, Isaac and (Jacob/Israel) this "Creator Being" is faults and not Truth but a Fraud. So again you can do whatever you want , but if anything is leading people to Truth it must be G-d and His Teaching and not some truths from other religions.

There is no hints of G-d in Judaism, Judaism is G-ds Words The Only G-d and no other Faith or Religion can say that.
Christian Faith is a Roman creation out of Judaism / True Faith of Abraham, Isaac and (Jacob/Israel).
 
So the greatest lie contains truth - but at the same time does not contain truth.

You're getting tangled up in words.
 
So the greatest lie contains truth - but at the same time does not contain truth.

You're getting tangled up in words.
You are lead away by it's similary, but if it is not 100% True you will be lead away.
 
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