Mike Winger

[frederick]

When you get sick to you stomach of listening to this, turn off the sound and bring up the transcript. It is much easier to stomach than when you get hit by one ridiculous statement after another. That gives you the ability to respond point by point.

I'm at the point where I don't actually want that stuff going into my brain. You feel free to read or listen to it if you want.

 

[PeteR]

The best way to deal with that, is to look up every usage of the word Mia, and give example after example of how it has been translated into English. I don't personally use this tactic to argue that it is OK for bishops, deacons, and elders, but exegetically, for those who do use this tactic, anyone who bases their opposition to polygyny on that passage would have no choice but to acknowlege it, if there is an overwhelming amount of evidence against the current rendering in most translations. The obstacle that we often run into, is that the anti-poly folks have this invisible army of "experts" that they like to come back with. It is not enough to convince us, but it is enough to convince some people who are on the fence.

Consider the nine 'mia ton sabbaton' passages that the church claims to properly translate as 'first day of the week'.... (lying b@st@rds)... they translate and defend mia as 'first' in that passage vehemently lest you correctly translate it as 'one of the sabbaton'

And, in that case, 'mia' is 'one' in a series.. which crushes both 'sunday' and 'one wife'...

 

[NBTX11]

Therefore, most Christian women would have to remain un-married, and remain virgins.

My question - is that what they are doing? Absolutely not. They are fornicating.

Absolutely correct. So called Christian women are fornicating at an almost 100 percent rate before marriage. This leads to biblical men combing through women who have been used by men as their option for wives.

The Bible is completely disregarded in terms of purity by both secular and Christian people alike.

Wonder how verses like this go over?

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 CSB
[20] But if this accusation is true and no evidence of the young woman's virginity is found, [21] they will bring the woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city will stone her to death. For she has committed an outrage in Israel by being promiscuous while living in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from you.

 

[YoreyC]

Wonder how verses like this go over?

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 CSB
[20] But if this accusation is true and no evidence of the young woman's virginity is found, [21] they will bring the woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city will stone her to death. For she has committed an outrage in Israel by being promiscuous while living in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from you.

"see how cruel the law was? what a relief we aren't under it anymore!"

 

[OttoM]

"see how cruel the law was? what a relief we aren't under it anymore!"

Absolutely correct. So called Christian women are fornicating at an almost 100 percent rate before marriage. This leads to biblical men combing through women who have been used by men as their option for wives.

The Bible is completely disregarded in terms of purity by both secular and Christian people alike.

Wonder how verses like this go over?

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 CSB
[20] But if this accusation is true and no evidence of the young woman's virginity is found, [21] they will bring the woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city will stone her to death. For she has committed an outrage in Israel by being promiscuous while living in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from you.

The spirit of Ashtoreth absolutely hates verses like those. They are fornicating - indeed. Having abortions. In rebellion against their authority figure (father and then husband). Issuing divorces over non-sense. Marrying pagans. What's the fruit of it all? No peace in the land. Kingdom of darkness expanding. Curses in the land.

But let's say that torah portion was practiced. An example was made. Fear would come upon the church, and women would think twice before playing the whore in their father's house.

Since there's way more women than righteous men - most women would either have to become open to polygyny; or remain un-married and virgins their entire life. Whatever they choose - the end result would be the Kingdom of Light growing, and the Kingdom of Darkness diminishing. Solomon marrying pagan women brought the collapse of the United Kingdom of Israel. Likewise Christian women sleeping around, and marrying pagans is bringing the collapse of western civilization.

That's why no matter who is in office - Trump - or whomever - you can't stop this train wreck without a "Shuba." A Return. A repentance. Back to the ways of the Creator - his Divine Instructions - his torah. 2 Timothy 3:16 and Romans 3:31 both support this!