Actually, that argument slanders the holiness of God. Maybe the word "blasphemes" is even appropriate.
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In English translations of the Bible the word used for such a thing is Profanes. To profane His name is the opposite of making it Holy. Lev. 22:32, You shall not profane My holy name. To suggest God accepts and winks at sin is to profane His name.
Welcome fellow Baptist Texan. Are you currently a minister? I am intrigued!
Thank you, that does seem more appropriate of a way to express that, I've edited it to include that instead.
I have done a lot of ministry in independent baptist circles. I am not a pastor, but I have held basically every other postion in a church setting. Whether that be Sunday School teacher, Youth director, fill in preacher, etc. I've considered being a pastor at times, but have not felt yet a particular call to do that. While I am an independent Baptist, I actually disagree with them on a lot of stuff. The historic IFB movement was too legalistic with many man made rules and regulations that have no authority in scripture (I wouldn't set foot in somewhere like Jack Hyles church). I am adamantly against rules and regulations that have no basis in scripture either as a biblical command or biblical principle. I am also adamantly opposed to the KJV only man made doctrine pushed by IFBers.
Ditto everything and as an associate pastor at $400 month it didn't pay bills.
A lot of independent Baptists pay their preacher peanuts and expect him to be bi-vocational, but yet want a full time committed pastor.
That's so bad. I was shocked to hear some church members talk of their pastor and say they paid him low to keep him humble. They obviously never read 1 Tim. 5:17-18, Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”
I thank God I was always well provided for while I taught the church, but I know some men have financial challenges.
I follow this Facebook site for churches seeking pastors. At least 60 or 70 percent of them are looking for bi-vocational pastors. I get it some of them can’t pay their pastors much but if it comes to cut out non essential costs and start paying your pastor more.
Welcome to the forum. I am in the Austin area for about 1 more month, then moving to San Diego to be closer to my parents.
I personally believe that having a pastor for the church is a leftover from Catholicism.
Paul never, to my knowledge, appointed a pastor. Just overseers.
Hiring a man to be the spiritual representative for the church to Yah is a common human desire because it places the responsibility on the person that was hired.
Overseer, pastor, bishop, elder whatever you want to call it. The person responsible for the care of the church in the NT qualifications for bishop. Unfortunately I’ve seen this guy try to rule with an iron fist in certain churches. Sad.
That’s the problem, it was never to be one guy. It was always a group of bishops, deacons, overseers.
One of the reasons is that power corrupts.
We attended a Brethren church for a while. There was no pastor. Instead there was a roster where all the men would run the service at some point, including doing the sermon. The elders came up with a list of sermons, usually based on a book of the bible and doing a new chapter every week. There was no cost to pay for the pastor, everyone just volunteered.
After we were given the left boot of fellowship for believing the truth about marriage, we did the same attending a Brethren assembly. But some of our lovely family took issue, informed the leaders and we were given the left boot there also. It's a bit of a challenge standing for the Truth.
Hey Chris! We've got to get together again, some time before you leave. We've seen Ruth Ann and Emily up gere in Georgetown a couple of times. Give me a call some time!
I was part of a JH church when I was a teenager. None other than Miller Road Baptist. We got there during the DH era.
Same. Like I said, I wouldn't attend a church like this now if it was the last church available. Too many man made rules and regulations and errors in doctrine.
The problem is that they make the "minister" the leader. He shouldn't be the leader - he should be the servant. The elders should be in charge. It does make practical sense for many congregations to hire somebody full-time to teach, visit the sick, administer various programmes etc. But that person should never be considered the leader of the church, that puts things backwards and causes many problems.
The opposite does occur also. After finding out that the pastor of a church was being paid considerably more than I or anyone in my family had ever been paid in any professional career, I stopped donating to that church as I considered it would be poor stewardship of my money to fund such extravagance. If a pastor is to be paid, they should receive a reasonable salary, ideally comparable to the wages received by the men in their congregation - not too much less, but also not too much more.