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Poly Family Interviewed

@Patricia, thanks so much for taking your time to share your personal testimony about the heartache and pain you heard from others, not to speak of the assault and threats made to yourself and family. I'm sure you had many more important things to do than pull together some documents for the rest of us to view. I'm well aware that numbers can be manipulated on paper on either side of the fence. I also know that "eyes don't lie". You saw the eyes and heard the cries! You were feet on the ground where you worked, which in most people's book trumps armchair quarterbacking and wink, wink people any day!

Obviously my original thread has been hi-jacked, but I'm glad I got to hear your story. Our nation is so sick and broken. There are both men and women who refuse to acknowledge this. There are still some very good men and women who stand up for those who can't for themselves. I still believe most plural families outside of deviant faith structures stand a chance of producing homes that honor God and His plan. In the posted videos, I have to wonder "Where were the dads of these underage girls that were being given in marriage to this 35 year old man?" Oh, yes,--now I remember--it was the dads' faith that told them it was okay for their young daughter to seek out a man. Since I don't know much about that faith group, it makes me wonder what role the parents assumed in granting the daughter's hand in marriage. I'm hoping this will get the thread back on the rails.
@rejoicinghandmaid you are so right! There are many successful poly families. I think that is why I was so saddened by the video you shared. People tend to cling to negative and the good in poly marriage is overlooked or demonized.
I have met 3 families here that are plural and they are wonderful families and wonderful examples for those of us who believe in a patriarchal family. A family that is deeply rooted in Biblical teachings of what marriage and family can look like. Again I would love to see a documentary made.... I have thought of doing it myself so that people see more than the negative.
 
The fruit of the evil ones labors is evident on every side, from the abuse of women to the demonization of every male on the planet who refuses to emotionally neuter himself. While the “right” to kill a baby that has accidentally been born is applauded.
But a religious system that requires females to be sealed to a male in order to exist in the afterlife is in its own class of evil. It is especially designed by the evil one to encourage abuse and discredit Biblical marriage. Sadly, it is this aberration that has put plural marriage on the public stage.

Be righteous and suffer the consequences, my friends, it’s going to be a long war.
 
I have four siblings, three sisters and one twin brother. Three of us have experienced sexual assault. None of the assaults were alcohol or date related. None of them were caused by improper parenting. None of them were caused by poor lifestyle choices. Two of those three assaults were reported properly. One was not. My assailant is serving a 32 year prison sentence. I recognize that there are a lot of false sexual assault reports. On the same token there are a lot of assaults that go unreported or not handled properly. I don't talk about this much and neither do my siblings. You would never know unless we mentioned it. As a sexual assault survivor do you know what is one of the most hardest aspects to deal with after the event and for years to come? Other people's assumptions out of ignorance. I have had people assume all kinds of things, crazy things, such as: she should not have been living on her own (my roommate moved), her parents must not have protected her, she must be emotionally damaged now so we can't trust her to participate in xyz, she must be lying, that sounds to horrific to have happened, etc. Most sexual assault victims carry a lot of shame because society has created that. Once you have been sexually assaulted, from personal experience, people that know don't treat you the same. They treat you with caution as if you are now untrustworthy because of the trauma or you must be lying. I caution anyone here to be careful with your words, because you do not know who you might be affecting with those words on a public forum. True sexual assault has shame attached to it and more often than not goes unreported. They are afraid to report or if they do report they are afraid of anyone finding out because of society's response. Be careful with your assumptions you make based off those false reports that have been televised. The words on this forum haven't bothered me, but they might have a few years ago. There are a lot of nasty women who hate men, but please don't assume the number of sexual assault claims cannot be so high. You might be surprised at how high they actually are. They are even higher for women and girls with Asperger's. It's hard when one is already socially awkward and then to add that on, it can be devastating. We demonize the "feminist" but maybe we should ask ourselves why she acts the way she does? What do men need to do to protect women from this?
 
We are too civilized to do what really needs to be done.
My wife’s dissertation for doctorate is on DV. @steve I said something similar to her years back. In fact, I said something along the lines of the use of castration when found guilty. She explained to me it wouldn’t stop the abuse. Guys who sexually assault do not do it for sexual satisfaction. It’s control. The control issue would be done in a different way.
 
The fruit of the evil ones labors is evident on every side, from the abuse of women to the demonization of every male on the planet who refuses to emotionally neuter himself. While the “right” to kill a baby that has accidentally been born is applauded.
But a religious system that requires females to be sealed to a male in order to exist in the afterlife is in its own class of evil. It is especially designed by the evil one to encourage abuse and discredit Biblical marriage. Sadly, it is this aberration that has put plural marriage on the public stage.

Be righteous and suffer the consequences, my friends, it’s going to be a long war.
So well stated @steve! Praising YHWH for men who see this for what it is and stand for the right!
 
Shouldn't we be giving more weight to what scripture says about sexual assault? We have to remove our emotions from it and follow the Bible. What does the Bible say should be done? It's not what our human emotional reaction would lead us to I can promise you that.
 
I have four siblings, three sisters and one twin brother. Three of us have experienced sexual assault. None of the assaults were alcohol or date related. None of them were caused by improper parenting. None of them were caused by poor lifestyle choices. Two of those three assaults were reported properly. One was not. My assailant is serving a 32 year prison sentence. I recognize that there are a lot of false sexual assault reports. On the same token there are a lot of assaults that go unreported or not handled properly. I don't talk about this much and neither do my siblings. You would never know unless we mentioned it. As a sexual assault survivor do you know what is one of the most hardest aspects to deal with after the event and for years to come? Other people's assumptions out of ignorance. I have had people assume all kinds of things, crazy things, such as: she should not have been living on her own (my roommate moved), her parents must not have protected her, she must be emotionally damaged now so we can't trust her to participate in xyz, she must be lying, that sounds to horrific to have happened, etc. Most sexual assault victims carry a lot of shame because society has created that. Once you have been sexually assaulted, from personal experience, people that know don't treat you the same. They treat you with caution as if you are now untrustworthy because of the trauma or you must be lying. I caution anyone here to be careful with your words, because you do not know who you might be affecting with those words on a public forum. True sexual assault has shame attached to it and more often than not goes unreported. They are afraid to report or if they do report they are afraid of anyone finding out because of society's response. Be careful with your assumptions you make based off those false reports that have been televised. The words on this forum haven't bothered me, but they might have a few years ago. There are a lot of nasty women who hate men, but please don't assume the number of sexual assault claims cannot be so high. You might be surprised at how high they actually are. They are even higher for women and girls with Asperger's. It's hard when one is already socially awkward and then to add that on, it can be devastating. We demonize the "feminist" but maybe we should ask ourselves why she acts the way she does? What do men need to do to protect women from this?
You slam dunked this one with a "swish" 3 pointer!, knocked it out of the stadium with 3 bases loaded, and hmmm--there MUST be some other way to give you a standing ovation to have articulated the very thoughts and sentiments that generated my empassioned post for which I was reprimanded. Boy, do I know how hard it is for you to put yourself out here on this public format and willingly for the sake of others bare those wounds and scars. I'm in tears--overwhelmed!!

This school year has been soooo hard because I enrolled a girl who'd been molested by her dad (now deceased 2 years) starting around the age of 5, but she had never told anyone and had covered for her dad when the grandmother who now has custody would ask her from time to time because the grandmother suspected. This girl really started acting out and from mid Nov. through mid January I was having to deal with the turmoil she was causing in the school plus seek wisdom to get to the bottom of why she was saying and doing everything. My other full-time teacher early on after hiring her had shared with me her story of step-father sexual abuse from age 11-18. Through God's leadership and wisdom, this student, now 12 years old, finally shared with another 13 year old girl in the school, (who is also in counseling because of abuse from her father's computer porn sites--this guy used to be a pastor) that her dad had been doing stuff to her. Then because I kept pushing to the bottom line, the Monday I was going to expel her from school, she finally broke in the hour of professional counseling session and finally had enough courage to tell what her dad had been doing to her. They came directly from the counseling session to my appointment at 5:30 in which I fully anticipated expelling her. After much prayer, I'd realized I couldn't help her any more and had reached my point/limit. I had to protect the school and other students. Talk about spinning on a dime!! She and her grandmother came in with something they needed to tell me. I decided to give them the floor before I told them she was out. The student was a basket case, having just come from the counseling session and getting so much guck out in the open for the first time in her life. Praise God my other teacher was there, by choice, so we gave the student space to regain composure. My other teacher shared her testimony of recovery. I reached out to the girl. My granddaughter, also a part-time teacher, reached out and loved on her. We all cried a lot of tears, but the evening appointment ended on a glorious note of praise to our Father for what He had prevented--that girl who really wanted to be at the school from being expelled and that girl from continuing to live in the trap of the lie--denial. I gave her a 2-week probationary period to prove herself. She is doing so well now, still in counseling, but I can see she is healing.

It gets better, or worse, however you want to look at it. The next day, Tuesday, the student, at my suggestion, came to school and began mending fences with other girls to whom she'd said inappropriate things and lies. A senior was afraid to talk to the girl by herself so declined talking with her until I could be in the picture. We did that in the last half of the lunch hour. As that senior listened to the student apologize and share a bit of why she had been acting the way she had, the senior breaks into tears, and tells how her uncle had sexually assualted her for 2 years from age 8 - 10 while he babysat so the parents could go to Amway meetings. I had not known this part of the senior's story, but did know that her life was a shambles 2 1/2 years ago when she came to me as a home school student which only lasted a few months and then her parents put her at a girls ranch home because they couldn't handle her anymore. It was a Christian setting and she got professional counseling, learned she could trust her Heavenly Father, and came back home a completely changed and beautiful young woman. She walked into the school room last summer and asked if she could enroll as a full-time student this school year. I didn't even recognize her; she had changed so much!

Then as my other full-time teacher is sharing on the following Monday all that has happened with another part-time teacher, new to the school since January, that lady shares how her daughter had come to her just that weekend and disclose that the ex-husband had been sexually assaulting her (another pastor) and she'd known she needed to tell her mom, but just couldn't do it. Finally that weekend, they had the conversation--the same weekend all this was going down with the first student I mentioned! So then this new teacher is sharing her story with me a week later. I thought to myself--Oh, my soul! How much more, Lord?!? I was on overload!

My baby sister, 6 years younger than me was impregnated by my brother 3 years younger than me when he was in highschool and she was in junior high. I've got a nephew who's already done 27 years in prison for killing the man who fully intended to rape him a second time. The man had already raped him once and had been successful by drugging my nephew with something that caused him to not be able to move his arms or legs. The guy was a big political figure in a large city with lots of money and influence, so, of course, my nephew couldn't have killed him in self-defense! There's a good chance my nephew may get out soon. Those reviewing the case say he should never have gotten the sentence he did!

Again, @ Jennifer, thank you so much for your courage, sweet testimony, and incredible strength! I won't say all the things that are running through my mind as I think back on the posts which prompted you to come forward cuz they ain't pretty! I just hope someone wakes up and smells the coffee!!
 
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Matthew 18:6 (KJV)
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

I’m fresh outa millstones, but lead is an adequate replacement in my book.
 
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Matthew 18:6 (KJV)
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

I’m fresh outa millstones, but lead is an adequate replacement in my book.
Yep--I'm sure Yeshua would approve!! :)
 
You slam dunked this one with a "swish" 3 pointer!, knocked it out of the stadium with 3 bases loaded, and hmmm--there MUST be some other way to give you a standing ovation to have articulated the very thoughts and sentiments that generated my empassioned post for which I was reprimanded. Boy, do I know how hard it is for you to put yourself out here on this public format and willingly for the sake of others bare those wounds and scars. I'm in tears--overwhelmed!!

This school year has been soooo hard because I enrolled a girl who'd been molested by her dad (now deceased 2 years) starting around the age of 5, but she had never told anyone and had covered for her dad when the grandmother who now has custody would ask her from time to time because the grandmother suspected. This girl really started acting out and from mid Nov. through mid January I was having to deal with the turmoil she was causing in the school plus seek wisdom to get to the bottom of why she was saying and doing everything. My other full-time teacher early on after hiring her had shared with me her story of step-father sexual abuse from age 11-18. Through God's leadership and wisdom, this student, now 12 years old, finally shared with another 13 year old girl in the school, (who is also in counseling because of abuse from her father's computer porn sites--this guy used to be a pastor) that her dad had been doing stuff to her. Then because I kept pushing to the bottom line, the Monday I was going to expel her from school, she finally broke in the hour of professional counseling session and finally had enough courage to tell what her dad had been doing to her. They came directly from the counseling session to my appointment at 5:30 in which I fully anticipated expelling her. After much prayer, I'd realized I couldn't help her any more and had reached my point/limit. I had to protect the school and other students. Talk about spinning on a dime!! She and her grandmother came in with something they needed to tell me. I decided to give them the floor before I told them she was out. The student was a basket case, having just come from the counseling session and getting so much guck out in the open for the first time in her life. Praise God my other teacher was there, by choice, so we gave the student space to regain composure. My other teacher shared her testimony of recovery. I reached out to the girl. My granddaughter, also a part-time teacher, reached out and loved on her. We all cried a lot of tears, but the evening appointment ended on a glorious note of praise to our Father for what He had prevented--that girl who really wanted to be at the school from being expelled and that girl from continuing to live in the trap of the lie--denial. I gave her a 2-week probationary period to prove herself. She is doing so well now, still in counseling, but I can see she is healing.

It gets better, or worse, however you want to look at it. The next day, Tuesday, the student, at my suggestion, came to school and began mending fences with other girls to whom she'd said inappropriate things and lies. A senior was afraid to talk to the girl by herself so declined talking with her until I could be in the picture. We did that in the last half of the lunch hour. As that senior listened to the student apologize and share a bit of why she had been acting the way she had, the senior breaks into tears, and tells how her uncle had sexually assualted her for 2 years from age 8 - 10 while he babysat so the parents could go to Amway meetings. I had not known this part of the senior's story, but did know that her life was a shambles 2 1/2 years ago when she came to me as a home school student which only lasted a few months and then her parents put her at a girls ranch home because they couldn't handle her anymore. It was a Christian setting and she got professional counseling, learned she could trust her Heavenly Father, and came back home a completely changed and beautiful young woman. She walked into the school room last summer and asked if she could enroll as a full-time student this school year. I didn't even recognize her; she had changed so much!

Then as my other full-time teacher is sharing on the following Monday all that has happened with another part-time teacher, new to the school since January, that lady shares how her daughter had come to her just that weekend and disclose that the ex-husband had been sexually assaulting her (another pastor) and she'd known she needed to tell her mom, but just couldn't do it. Finally that weekend, they had the conversation--the same weekend all this was going down with the first student I mentioned! So then this new teacher is sharing her story with me a week later. I thought to myself--Oh, my soul! How much more, Lord?!? I was on overload!

My baby sister, 6 years younger than me was impregnated by my brother 3 years younger than me when he was in highschool and she was in junior high. I've got a nephew who's already done 27 years in prison for killing the man who fully intended to rape him a second time. The man had already raped him once and had been successful by drugging my nephew with something that caused him to not be able to move his arms or legs. The guy was a big political figure in a large city with lots of money and influence, so, of course, my nephew couldn't have killed him in self-defense! There's a good chance my nephew may get out soon. Those reviewing the case say he should never have gotten the sentence he did!

Again, @ Jennifer, thank you so much for your courage, sweet testimony, and incredible strength! I won't say all the things that are running through my mind as I think back on the posts which prompted you to come forward cuz they ain't pretty! I just hope someone wakes up and smells the coffee!!
My experiences have shaped me into a more compassionate less judgmental person. I have a deep compassion for women, although my social experience with women in general has been a struggle. Honestly, I believe the reason I am drawn to polygyny is because of my longing to have a deep friendship and bond with another female. I want to share with her the compassion I longed for but never received. You would think my terrible and violent experiences at the hands of men would mean my relationship with women would be better, but it's not! Some of the worst judgment and ostracism has come from women, and that is compounded by the feelings of isolation that are created by sexual assault.

Women tear each other a part in the most subtle ways. It doesn't help when one is already slightly socially awkward. I am not saying all of my social troubles with women are related to my assaults, but it plays a huge role in how I respond and perceive their treatment. Part of my social troubles revolve around the way I communicate. A therapist once said my form of communication is more "guy like" (Asperger's) as in I don't discuss emotions, feelings, and typical female topics. I discuss ideas, plans, hobbies and theories. You tell me your feelings and I am going to give you a motivational speech on how to fix the situation. That doesn't go well in groups of women.

I have also struggled with false guilt about my appearance, thus going through phases of trying to look as plain as I could, hoping to be accepted and approved by the mom groups I so longed to be a part of. I dealt with the false guilt of thinking I must have done something to have caused the assault and it must be my appearance, even though I have always been a modest woman. Women solidified that feeling in their subtle remarks and treatment, religious women being the worst! I am no raving beauty or super model, but I also am not of average appearance. I feel very intimidated when I walk into a group of women.

Even though logically I knew what happened wasn't my fault, the experiences I had told me it was! I had trouble communicating with females, but not males, yet it was female acceptance that I longed for and still do! Men scare me, women intimidate me. Whereas I have healed much and have developed great compassion, I still deal with feelings of isolation and sometimes guilt for things I cannot change. I understand why some women chop their hair off and hide in men's clothing. I also understand why some women hide behind a persona of sex appeal. They are looking for acceptance and love, more than likely because they have been hurt. Our words and subtle attitudes shape this in each other.

Up until recently I was a stay at home and homeschool mom. For years I tried desperately to be accepted into the mom groups. I never was and today it's worse because I am a working mom, and not just a working mom, I work in a very male dominated field, thus now I am judged as "that kind of woman" and beneath their noble character, never mind that I entered this field because my daughter was vaccine injured and I had an opportunity to make actual change for all children in the future.

Do you know where I am accepted and treated as worthy? In the male dominated medical research laboratory I work in and in the group therapy I attend with lots of other broken people. Do you know where I am rejected and judged the most? Women's groups and religious groups. Even when I was that stay at home mom, I didn't look the part to no fault of my own and I didn't communicate like them so I was and still am rejected. Where do you think that leaves women like me?

I am blessed in the sense that I can see through some of this and have understanding for the ignorance, thus I am not angry at men or feel I must protect myself with hyper feminism or hyper sexuality. But what about the women who are still in the cross hairs? How do we reach them? I can tell you judging them won't work, and we can say all day long we don't judge them, but that is our pride fooling us. Compassion and understanding go a long ways. Anything less will push them more into their negative way of living. I was in my bedroom a sleep when my assailant entered my apartment and attacked me. I wasn't at a party or drunk. I wasn't out on a date in a compromising position. Yet because I am a woman of slightly above average looks, the perception is, I did something to cause it and it was women who solidified that misperception in my mind for years, causing me for a short period to become somewhat judgemental myself of other women who didn't fit the mold of perfect, plain stay at home, and home schooling mom. For a time I had convinced myself it was my fault a deranged man broke into my apartment and put a knife to my throat. Even with my new pious persona, I was still not accepted. You want to know who brought me out of that, my awesome hubby whose patience and love helped me discover where my true worth lies. We can't reach and change angry and hurting women if they are not welcome amongst us. I don't know what the answer is. This is just my personal experience. As a woman who has been mischaracterized on numerous occasions, I have the experience to say how hurting women perceive certain attitudes and remarks.
 
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@Jennifer, again I can't say thank you enough for sharing your heart! You have worked through so much and do a wonderful job of articulating what you've observed and work through. There's no doubt in my mind that what you are sharing is here for a reason. There are others who will read and need this. Oh, I so hope I get to meet you!
 
@Jennifer, again I can't say thank you enough for sharing your heart! You have worked through so much and do a wonderful job of articulating what you've observed and work through. There's no doubt in my mind that what you are sharing is here for a reason. There are others who will read and need this. Oh, I so hope I get to meet you!
I look forward to meeting you and all the other wonderful women I have had the pleasure of speaking with.
 
I don’t know what the stats are with rape, real or fabricated, but the incidents are real.

Did I deny that some women are abused or raped? No. I'm saying the stats are junk. Pure propaganda. These stat's aren't covering what you or I would consider violence or rape. They use overly broad definitions and questionable statistical methods to pump up the rates to make them seem worse in order to denigrate men and marriage. If they were really just about helping abused women, they wouldn't be playing these games.

The Duluth Model behind the DV industry in not about preventing abuse, it's about creating a matriarchy where women have all the power and men none. Under that model, several key aspects of Biblical teaching on marriage are illegal. Bring up all the anecdotal scare stories about women in the hospital you want it doesn't change the fact that this industry is working to destroy Biblical marriage.

The specific stats brought up here were from NM. I was looking for NM stats and found this little gem, The NM Department of Health is holding workshops around the state specifically pushing transgenderism and matriarchal marriage. Regardless whatever good they manage to do, the fact of the matter is the DV industry is on the side of evil.

All the emotional horror stories about battered women won't change that. If you actually care about women, clean up your industry, because it's discrediting itself with dirty propaganda and destroying marriage.
 
Shouldn't we be giving more weight to what scripture says about sexual assault? We have to remove our emotions from it and follow the Bible. What does the Bible say should be done? It's not what our human emotional reaction would lead us to I can promise you that.

While I agree with the sentiment about how child abuse should be dealt with. Milstone and all that... I was actually referring to adults in my post above.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
[28] If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; [29] Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
 
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