Well said @PeteR! We are very for a return to YHWH's righteous law, and believe it will be established.
We watched the video above with some of our youngins and then told them that the scripture has a better law.
I know from experience that muscle memory can totally change behavior even on a sub conscious level.
When I was a teen a latch on a goat feeder broke letting the baby goats get out and play on the hay stack. Since goats treat every place like a bathroom we did not want them fouling up the alfalfa so we held the door shut with a metal tee post braced against it.
Well, the next night when I was out feeding after dark I walked right into that shin high obstical. It was very painful and left a welted bruise.
Now anyone that does chores day in and day out knows that once you know the routine you can do them on auto pilot. The body does the chores while the mind goes elsewhere. Next night out feeding in the dark again ....with my mind off somewhere more fun ...I forgot about that T post again. While my conscious mind was contemplating something worthy I'm sure, my body was walking right back into pain....but the crazy thing is my body stopped my feet. I was mentally trying to figure out why my feet stopped when I looked down and saw that the blasted post was inches from my shins.
The experience impressed upon my why corporal punishment works. Because a child's backside is as connected to his brain as my shins were to my brain. The backside can help the mind remember what the conscious mind does not.
When too young to reason pain can still change behavior, and when one is stubborn you can get through a thick skull by using the back way into the brain.
It's a beautiful thing!
Slam dunk--swish--3 pointer on that comment @Slumberfreeze!! I've been away for the weekend and have heard through the grapevine that this thread was up and dealing with corporal punishment meted out to the wife(s) by a husband willing to call himself a Patriarch--of all things! @Hale, your man is a very wise man and truly does love you if he's sensing that somehow this idea of corporal punishment just isn't right. His gut is telling him there's got to be a better way to lead and rule-----and there IS!!!@Hales It seems to me that if your DH can't stand the thought of hurting you... then going into something like DD or whatever is just complicating what should be very simple. You know you should submit to him, so submit. No need to add more steps in.
Loving you is his responsibility, submitting is yours. You shouldn't need physical violence to remind you to submit any more than he should need you to nag him to remind him to love you.
I thoroughly agree with this also. There is no need to use physical discipline in order to achieve a healthy marriage. On the contrary, there are obvious risks that using physical discipline could destroy a healthy marriage. Although I would never condemn those who choose to do it, and find it interesting that some find it useful, I am not advocating it in any way.@Hales It seems to me that if your DH can't stand the thought of hurting you... then going into something like DD or whatever is just complicating what should be very simple. You know you should submit to him, so submit.
It's truly amazing to me @rockfox how you're always the expert on the women's do's and don't's but can't seem to pull it together to put the shoe on the other foot! IF @Slumberfreeze's Biblical solution and @Joleneakamama's Biblical assessment is an overly simplistic and ideal view of life and female psychology, then WHAT do you call your "rule with fear and coercion method"?!? Trying to write your own bible?!? Cuz it ain't in my Bible!!!! Guess THAT would be humanism to the core--uhumm--idolatryThis is an overly simplistic and ideal view of life and female psychology. Reality is much more complex. Some women find the corporal punishment very helpful, desirable even. To them, it is no more violence than it is for a parent who uses corporal punishment with their sons/daughters.
Of course they should just submit, but that is true of all women and yet very few do. To say they 'just should' isn't helpful to real life relationships.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Something to point out if anyone is thinking of instances in the Bible as an argument: there are no instances of corporal punishment for a wife;
Glad you mentioned crucifixion here. 'Cause that's exactly what the Husband told his Bride to do.Corporal punishment" is an ambiguous phrase, because it covers everything from a slap on the wrist to crucifixion