1 Cor 14: 34:
"34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says."
All you torah people what does the law say about this? What is Paul referring to here?
There is no Torah Command for women to be silent that I've found and I went through them all and a few reference sources when this was brought up. There's a Rabbinical command from that Era that says women cant speak in the assembly because their voices are sexually provocative and might lead men to sin. Some of the histories of the early church point to this as what was being addressed. It was being used to say women couldn't prophesy or speak in tongues. Which went against Acts 2:17-18, Joel 2:28-32, Acts 21:9 (Phillips daughters Prophesying without rebuking them) and a few others places in scripture I cant remember. Like in Acts ,other places 1 Corinthians amongst a few others, Sha'ūl rebukes tradition and Oral Law here.
Please keep in mine that when I show the my understanding of the context is not forbidding women to speak in a church setting, I am not saying it is giving permission for women to be teachers, look to someone other than her Head for biblical instruction, or interrupt a teaching. We do have to keep in context the whole letter, what is said before and after.
26 What is
the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a teaching, has a interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue,
it should be by two or at the most three, and
each in turn, and one must interpret; 28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to Elohim. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. 30 But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. 31
For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; 33 for Elohim is not
a Elohim of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
There are a few Greek manuscripts that show the next two verses are a quote, He's quoting someone else there. (rabbinical practice treats the oral law as Torah, they say it is Torah)
34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but tare to subject themselves, just as the Torah also says.
35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
Next verse is a rebuke and followed by clarifying that the things Sha'ūl is writing about in concerns to prophecy and tongues are the Lords command. Notice it is not the "If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home" he is rebuking but the oral Law used to forbid women from Prophesying, speaking in tongues, basically manifesting the Holy spirit.
36 Was it from you that the word of God
first went forth? Or has it come to you only?
37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s precept.
38 But if anyone does not recognize
this, he is not recognized.
39 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.
40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
I want to reiterate No where in these verses is it giving permission for women to be teachers, look to someone other than her Head for biblical instruction, or interrupt a teaching. Nor is it forbidding women to greet others or join in praise and worship of God. There are other scriptures that show women are not suppose to be teachers and learn in submission, this one is not about that though. I Timothy 2:11-12 is a great Example 11 A woman must be still and receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
Even if you believe there is no Torah any more, or that the Holy spirit was revealing a new commandment by saying that this verse is commanding complete silence of women in an assemble you are saying other parts of the New Testament are false as well as the prophecy that fore told the pentacost.
My 2 cents take it or leave.