Stuff that is Abomination

[MeganC]

What do I have to do to get a MeganC pork roast recipe?

Okay, so here's what I would do since you're cooking for yourself and not a small village:

You need to use at least a 3-4 pound roast, too small a roast never ends well, trust me. I prefer pork shoulder for this and you need to leave the fat on.

Take an 8-12 quart soup pot (bigger is better) and set it on HIGH heat. As high as your stove will go.

Pour in enough vegetable oil to coat the bottom of the pot and then add a little more. Let it warm up almost to sizzling and then add the roast. Be careful not to burn yourself.

It needs to sear so let it sear for a couple minutes and then using a pair of tongs turn the meat and sear it on all sides. This can get smoky and that's okay. Just turn on a fan and open a window if you need to.

When the meat is browned evenly remove the pot from the heat and let it cool about five minutes. You're going to simmer it in the same pot to get that seared flavor from the bottom of the pot.

Add 2 cups of red wine. I use Costco's Kirkland brand cabernet because it's inexpensive and it's awesome for cooking. It also tastes pretty good!

You can also add onions, sea salt, black pepper, dried basil, garlic, and whatever herbs you wish at this point. I generally go German style and just add onions, sea salt, garlic, and black pepper.

Fill the pot with enough water to cover most of the roast. Not enough that it floats but close enough.

Cover and simmer it on a medium-low heat for three to four hours. When the meat easily falls apart it is done. If you need to tug on it to get a piece off of it then simmer it some more.

When it's done you'll need the tongs to remove the meat from the pot and place it into a serving dish/platter.

Now use a sieve to pour the broth from the pot into a bowl. Capture any extra meat and put it on the platter.

Pour the broth back into the pot. This is when you will make your gravy. I use Kitchen Bouquet for my gravies and I highly recommend it:

https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Bouquet-Browning-Seasoning-Sauce/dp/B092DXNSNH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=K6PJ1AG4VJYT&keywords=kitchen+bouquet&qid=1677102809&sprefix=kitchen+bouquet%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-3

Add the Kitchen Bouquet as indicated and then add some flour to thicken the gravy or add mashed potatoes to thicken it.

Serve and enjoy! I suggest serving with mashed potatoes and stuffing to take adavantage of the gravy.

A note: The gravy does not store well. Use it right away and any leftover needs to be eaten by the next day. After that throw it away. Or buy some Pepto Bismol.

The leftover pork roast meat makes for excellent carnitas for Mexican food. This can be frozen to use later.

 

[Mark C]

OFF-TOPIC, but: Got a recipe for WEF-Approved Roast Mealworm? Or Fried Rat?

I will all-but_GuarAnTEE you there'll be a study saying that the "creeping bugs" are more healthy than beef or chicken eggs Real Soon Now.

 

[MeganC]

Never mind.

 

[Bartato]

Okay, so here's what I would do since you're cooking for yourself and not a small village:

You need to use at least a 3-4 pound roast, too small a roast never ends well, trust me. I prefer pork shoulder for this and you need to leave the fat on.

Take an 8-12 quart soup pot (bigger is better) and set it on HIGH heat. As high as your stove will go.

Pour in enough vegetable oil to coat the bottom of the pot and then add a little more. Let it warm up almost to sizzling and then add the roast. Be careful not to burn yourself.

It needs to sear so let it sear for a couple minutes and then using a pair of tongs turn the meat and sear it on all sides. This can get smoky and that's okay. Just turn on a fan and open a window if you need to.

When the meat is browned evenly remove the pot from the heat and let it cool about five minutes. You're going to simmer it in the same pot to get that seared flavor from the bottom of the pot.

Add 2 cups of red wine. I use Costco's Kirkland brand cabernet because it's inexpensive and it's awesome for cooking. It also tastes pretty good!

You can also add onions, sea salt, black pepper, dried basil, garlic, and whatever herbs you wish at this point. I generally go German style and just add onions, sea salt, garlic, and black pepper.

Fill the pot with enough water to cover most of the roast. Not enough that it floats but close enough.

Cover and simmer it on a medium-low heat for three to four hours. When the meat easily falls apart it is done. If you need to tug on it to get a piece off of it then simmer it some more.

When it's done you'll need the tongs to remove the meat from the pot and place it into a serving dish/platter.

Now use a sieve to pour the broth from the pot into a bowl. Capture any extra meat and put it on the platter.

Pour the broth back into the pot. This is when you will make your gravy. I use Kitchen Bouquet for my gravies and I highly recommend it:

https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Bouquet-Browning-Seasoning-Sauce/dp/B092DXNSNH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=K6PJ1AG4VJYT&keywords=kitchen+bouquet&qid=1677102809&sprefix=kitchen+bouquet%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-3

Add the Kitchen Bouquet as indicated and then add some flour to thicken the gravy or add mashed potatoes to thicken it.

Serve and enjoy! I suggest serving with mashed potatoes and stuffing to take adavantage of the gravy.

A note: The gravy does not store well. Use it right away and any leftover needs to be eaten by the next day. After that throw it away. Or buy some Pepto Bismol.

The leftover pork roast meat makes for excellent carnitas for Mexican food. This can be frozen to use later.

All this pork talk has got me thinking about tamales and pulled pork sandwiches.

Not necessarily at the same time

 

[LDremoved]

Okay, so here's what I would do since you're cooking for yourself and not a small village:

You need to use at least a 3-4 pound roast, too small a roast never ends well, trust me. I prefer pork shoulder for this and you need to leave the fat on.

Take an 8-12 quart soup pot (bigger is better) and set it on HIGH heat. As high as your stove will go.

Pour in enough vegetable oil to coat the bottom of the pot and then add a little more. Let it warm up almost to sizzling and then add the roast. Be careful not to burn yourself.

It needs to sear so let it sear for a couple minutes and then using a pair of tongs turn the meat and sear it on all sides. This can get smoky and that's okay. Just turn on a fan and open a window if you need to.

When the meat is browned evenly remove the pot from the heat and let it cool about five minutes. You're going to simmer it in the same pot to get that seared flavor from the bottom of the pot.

Add 2 cups of red wine. I use Costco's Kirkland brand cabernet because it's inexpensive and it's awesome for cooking. It also tastes pretty good!

You can also add onions, sea salt, black pepper, dried basil, garlic, and whatever herbs you wish at this point. I generally go German style and just add onions, sea salt, garlic, and black pepper.

Fill the pot with enough water to cover most of the roast. Not enough that it floats but close enough.

Cover and simmer it on a medium-low heat for three to four hours. When the meat easily falls apart it is done. If you need to tug on it to get a piece off of it then simmer it some more.

When it's done you'll need the tongs to remove the meat from the pot and place it into a serving dish/platter.

Now use a sieve to pour the broth from the pot into a bowl. Capture any extra meat and put it on the platter.

Pour the broth back into the pot. This is when you will make your gravy. I use Kitchen Bouquet for my gravies and I highly recommend it:

https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Bouquet-Browning-Seasoning-Sauce/dp/B092DXNSNH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=K6PJ1AG4VJYT&keywords=kitchen+bouquet&qid=1677102809&sprefix=kitchen+bouquet%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-3

Add the Kitchen Bouquet as indicated and then add some flour to thicken the gravy or add mashed potatoes to thicken it.

Serve and enjoy! I suggest serving with mashed potatoes and stuffing to take adavantage of the gravy.

A note: The gravy does not store well. Use it right away and any leftover needs to be eaten by the next day. After that throw it away. Or buy some Pepto Bismol.

The leftover pork roast meat makes for excellent carnitas for Mexican food. This can be frozen to use later.

Thank you for typing all of that out for me I've got the screenshots for the next time I find a sale lol. I love making Mexican food as well.

 

[LDremoved]

Nothing washes my booster shot down like a good pork roast

 

[Bartato]

Nothing washes my booster shot down like a good pork roast

And a diet Coke

 

[Bartato]

If the CDC gave out free bacon with the covid shots they might have got me.

 

[Bartato]

If the CDC gave out free bacon with the covid shots they might have got me.

Then again, it might have persuaded me not to eat bacon anymore. If the CDC promotes something

 

[Michael Moon]

This is a complicated issue and there are multiple aspects of it.

In short, I would say that God sometimes gives different commands to different people at different times, and that many of these passages were directed to the Israelites living in the ancient theocracy of Israel.

All of the passages containing the law were given to Israel. No one gets to pick and choose.

Look at the Law of God as it pertains to food.

Or one could keep the Law of God as it pertains to food.

Genesis 1:29 God gave Adam and Eve only plants to eat. They were vegans.

"And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food."

Genesis 9:3 God gave Noah and his family permission to eat every kind of animal.

"Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs."

This "every" means what it says and clearly includes pigs, eel, catfish, rabbits, and various other "unclean" animals.

"clearly" Paul saying "all things are lawful" means abortion is fine, right?

It is worth noting that Genesis 7:2-3 talks about some animals being "clean", and these were apparently used for sacrifices. That doesn't change the fact that God defines all animals as potential food for mankind in Genesis 9:3.

Apparently? Where are you getting this? There were seven of each animal for a reason. They weren't sacrificing that many animals while aboard the ark. What other reason would they have to have a surplus of only clean animals, hm...

In Leviticus 11, God gives the Israelites the dietary laws that we are largely discussing here. These Laws are from God. They are good and holy.

Good.

In Mark 7:18 Christ declared all foods clean

Not all translations try to shoehorn in that idea. Even the KJV isn't as bad as most on this verse. That passage is not saying that all foods have been made clean, but that all foods pass through the body and are purged through excretion.

KJV: "Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?"

In Acts 10:15 God declares the unclean Gentile people now clean (and the formerly unclean animals now also clean).

When prophecy is given by a dream, an interpretation must be given. Here is Peter's:

"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." - Acts 10:28 (KJV)

Yes, Yahweh and Yeshua have the authority to declare things and people clean!

And unclean too. And they did.

In Acts 15 the Holy Spirit via the apostles and elders explicitly tells all of us Gentile believers that we are NOT REQUIRED to keep the Law of Moses.

In order to be accepted into the church we still have to abstain from a few things, and then we are expected to learn the rest. Read the full decision.

That doesn't mean that the Law isn't good, helpful, useful, or informative to us, but we are saved by Christ, not the Law.

The keeping of the Law is part of sanctification. Humanity proved we could not keep it on our own. We needed the Messiah to show us the perfect way and empower us to keep it.

In Galatians, Paul rebukes the church for listening to those who would try to force them to keep the Law of Moses.

No, he rebukes them for lacking faith, and believing that good works alone could save them.

It seems to be fine if you want to follow the Levitical food laws (as many people here do). One might even argue that it is better to do so.

God's food laws. Written in Leviticus the same as the laws against homosexuality.

On the other hand it also seems fine for Christians to eat pork and other things with thankful hearts giving praise to God.

If they're in ignorance than it's (probably) not sinful. But still displeasing to God.

Those who try to force Christians to obey the Law of Moses for salvation (rather than trusting Christ) are called false brothers (Galatians 2:4) and are under the curse of God (Galatians 1:9).

And "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19 (KJV)

 

[smilingjack]

What is the problem with John the Baptist's diet? Locusts are specifically permitted in Torah.
What does Deuteronomy 14:19 have to do with anything?

It's my understanding that some loci were permitted under Talmud, not Torah. Dt. 14:19 says, "And all winged insects are unclean for you; they shall not be eaten." I agree with that. They're gross. Maybe that's why the honey was there? And I understand Lev. 11:20, "All winged insects that go on all fours are detestable to you. Yet among the winged insects that go on all fours, you may eat those that have jointed legs above their feet, with which to hop on the ground. Of them, you may eat the locust of any kind, the bald locust of any kind, the cricket of any kind, and the grasshopper of any kind. But all other winged insects that have four feet are detestable to you." I didn't say there was a problem, I said, "Yikes!" Because bugs aren't on my menu haha

Kosher meat processing has almost nothing to do with scriptural requirements, it's largely talmudic. Scripture is clear - don't kill by strangling, kill in a way that results in the blood draining out properly. That's all there is to it - and that's how any normal slaughterhouse works and how anyone doing homekill properly will do it too. Kosher rules add a whole lot of additional processing to ruin the meat by removing all the red juices in the false perception that these are "blood". In the case of meat, Halal is a whole lot closer to scripture than Kosher is.

Ok

 

[MeganC]

"clearly" Paul saying "all things are lawful" means abortion is fine, right?

That's quite the tangential leap here. The topic is about dietary laws.

 

[smilingjack]

I should point out that in New Zealand almost all meat is halal slaughtered, so that they can take any package of meat and slap a halal label if it's being shipped to Indonesia and leave the label off if it's going to the USA. So what is halal slaughter?

It means the animal is stunned with an electric shock or captive bolt gun, then the jugular vein is cut to drain out the blood - in other words, standard slaughterhouse practice. The only difference is that there is some guy standing watching and pretending to pray while this happens. It's the most cushy job in the slaughterhouse and largely regarded as a joke.

Halal has no greater concern about food safety than any standard slaughterhouse practice.

I'm not a halal advocate, but there is more to halal than killing them and slitting their throat. The animal is alive while the throat is slit, for one. They don't use a bolt gun and the electric shock thing is not the norm. The animals can't witness the slaughter either and you can only slaughter one animal at a time until it bleeds out and dies. Not the standard slaughterhouse practice from what I understand haha.

 

[MeganC]

I'm not a halal advocate, but there is more to halal than killing them and slitting their throat. The animal is alive while the throat is slit, for one. They don't use a bolt gun and the electric shock thing is not the norm. The animals can't witness the slaughter either and you can only slaughter one animal at a time until it bleeds out and dies. Not the standard slaughterhouse practice from what I understand haha.

Halal is simply an excuse for barbaric treatment of animals. The video below shows the unvarnished truth about how the Muslims slaughter their sheep...and many times these sheep are from New Zealand.

WARNING: The linked video is not safe for the faint of heart or the politically correct.

MEET YOUR MEAT: The joys of halal slaughter

rumble.com

 

[Mark C]

I object to "studies" that aren't "science" pretty much the same way I do 'bible verses' that aren't real Scripture. Bad methodology, unrepeatable results, uncontrolled variables, and in many cases outright lies (as the Lancet should know.)

Most kids should have learned more about real 'science' in HS physics than those who worship at the altar of The Science (ie, Fauci) ever did. "Apply a force...MEASURE the acceleration...confirm or reject the hypothesis, like, F=MA."

There are times when 'scripture' obviously ISN'T. It's a fabrication:

In Mark 7:18 Christ declared all foods clean

except He DIDN'T - and all it takes is a simple check.

"There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. [” If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”]
...
(Thus He declared all foods clean.)

Mark 7:15-19

The ADDITION is found only in "Not-Inspired Versions". (One source on-line, easy to find for those willing to do a little study, calls 'em "contemporary versions," i.e., 'modern' translations.)

By the way, this is me backing up my claims as opposed to simply throwing out a claim and then calling you lazy for not backing up MY argument.

Ouch. Here's an easy bit of homework: Do a quick search and try to found out WHEN and WHO put that bit of crappola in there.*

And, ironically - all you have to do is read Mark 7 in CONTEXT for comprehension. The topic is,
"making the Word of Yah of no effect by your traditions. (Mark 7:13)
...and many such things you do."
Like, a pork cutlet at the pot luck after Sun-god-day services?

Funny that He starts off by quoting Isaiah, "these people honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me...in vain they worship Me...teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

And back ON-topic: This thread was about 'stuff that is abomination.'

Again, the Hebrew word usually so translated is 'toebah'. There is another, however, the [root] word "shakatz" which is rendered both as 'abomination' and 'detestable' but also includes a clear connotation of idolatry. And THAT is the word generally used in Leviticus 11, multiple times. Which certainly, IMHO, seems to fit in this context.

But, no doubt about it, since Yahshua quoted Isaiah in the verse that gets so twisted to claim He is "a liar and the Truth not in Him," (Matthew 5:17-19) by changing His own Word when He said He would not, it's interesting to read almost the very last thing the prophet Isaiah Wrote, on this very topic:

(And, your mileage may vary, but to me, at least, it sounds like a prophecy of the Greater Exodus Yet to Come...)

They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith YHVH. (Is. 66:17)

...and the root word there is שֶׁקֶץ

This, remember, after that same prophet (v3-4) just warned

Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. [plural, same root, shakatz]

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

But perhaps the best place to understand the use of BOTH words is in the end of Deuteronomy chapter 7, where He is clearly talking about idolatry, and things He hates, and says they are toebah.

The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the YHVH Elohekah.

It could certainly be an allusion to xmas trees, or gold-wrapped Ishtar bunnies, but the next verse certainly clarifies the use of BOTH words in context:

Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.

'Detest,' and 'utterly abhor' are pretty clear, and it's the same root word שָׁקַץ that is used twice in there (a form of the Hebrew that makes for dramatic emphasis!)

'As for me and my house, we will obey YHVH.' And since He said there is a curse for eating things He said are 'not food' - and not even to touch the carcass of a dead pig (oops- there goes football...) - we won't bring that 'detestable thing' in, either.



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* And I'm not going to argue corrupted texts. Just like bogus 'science' - there are plenty of ...well, Pork-Luvin'-Xtians out there who love the addition to Mark, even though it looks like none of 'em can claim a source prior to about the 4th century, after, well, You-know-who anyway.

 

[The Revolting Man]

Paul says "study to show yourself approved." I listed tons of resources, and the evidence IS legion. And those enzymes are involved in the breakdown of dead flesh. Which is what pigs do.

Either do the work, or don't. This is not "too hard for you."

Lol, someone is about to get his ass kicked by a girl. I can see it already.

 

[Mark C]

In Acts 10:15 God declares the unclean Gentile people now clean...

SHAME ON YOU for this:

... (and the formerly unclean animals now also clean).

And for those who don't recognize a lie when they see one, the issue is that Peter (Kefa) comes right out and TELLS us what the dream means, in verse 28. And it had nothing to do with food, but MEN.

Bartato, twisting His Word to say things He did NOT is not only wrong, it's "obnoxious behavior." Come to think of it, when the result is idolatry, it's arguably even 'detestable'.

 

[Bartato]

All of the passages containing the law were given to Israel. No one gets to pick and choose.

Or one could keep the Law of God as it pertains to food.

"clearly" Paul saying "all things are lawful" means abortion is fine, right?

Apparently? Where are you getting this? There were seven of each animal for a reason. They weren't sacrificing that many animals while aboard the ark. What other reason would they have to have a surplus of only clean animals, hm...

Good.

Not all translations try to shoehorn in that idea. Even the KJV isn't as bad as most on this verse. That passage is not saying that all foods have been made clean, but that all foods pass through the body and are purged through excretion.

KJV: "Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?"

When prophecy is given by a dream, an interpretation must be given. Here is Peter's:

"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." - Acts 10:28 (KJV)

And unclean too. And they did.

In order to be accepted into the church we still have to abstain from a few things, and then we are expected to learn the rest. Read the full decision.

The keeping of the Law is part of sanctification. Humanity proved we could not keep it on our own. We needed the Messiah to show us the perfect way and empower us to keep it.

No, he rebukes them for lacking faith, and believing that good works alone could save them.

God's food laws. Written in Leviticus the same as the laws against homosexuality.

If they're in ignorance than it's (probably) not sinful. But still displeasing to God.

And "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19 (KJV)

I'd much rather be least in the Kingdom of Heaven for teaching incorrectly regarding certain aspects of the Law than be outside the Kingdom altogether, gnashing my teeth because I refused the gracious gift of God to be justified by faith in Jesus and instead pursued righteousness by works of the Law.

The path of the Pharisee and the Judaizer leads to destruction. I don't know if you (or the other Torah emphasis guys here) are on it, but I think you are flirting with it.

We needed the Messiah to show us the perfect way and empower us to keep it

You are badly mistaken if you think that was the main work of Christ. He is infinitely more than our moral example. He is our Savior.

He didn't come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. And fulfill it He did! It has been fulfilled.

He came as the Lamb of God to give His life as a ransom for many. He was pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities. The chastisement that brought us peace was upon Him.

In Acts 15:10, the apostle Peter warns that those why try to force Christian believers to follow the Law of Moses for salvation are testing the patience of God.

"Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"

I think some of the "Torah emphasis guys" here are exactly the kind of false teachers Paul warned us about in Galatians.


In addition
You guys really cannot escape the fact that sometimes the Law changes.

Adam was given plants only.

After the flood, Noah was given permission to eat all kinds animals. All means all, clean and unclean.

"Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you".

That's pretty clear.

 

[smilingjack]

Halal is simply an excuse for barbaric treatment of animals. The video below shows the unvarnished truth about how the Muslims slaughter their sheep...and many times these sheep are from New Zealand.

WARNING: The linked video is not safe for the faint of heart or the politically correct.

MEET YOUR MEAT: The joys of halal slaughter

rumble.com

Oh yea, it’s wild. When I was in Africa one of the guys I was there with witnessed a man beat a lamb close to death and then slit its throat to bleed to death. He asked why he would do that and the man said it made the meat taste better none of my hunts have tasted better after suffering - yuk. Quick kill and age the meat haha

 

[FollowingHim]

I'm not a halal advocate, but there is more to halal than killing them and slitting their throat. The animal is alive while the throat is slit, for one. They don't use a bolt gun and the electric shock thing is not the norm. The animals can't witness the slaughter either and you can only slaughter one animal at a time until it bleeds out and dies. Not the standard slaughterhouse practice from what I understand haha.

They bend those standards here to keep both the Muslims and the animal-rights advocates happy at the same time. It's a very watered-down version of halal on the commercial slaughter lines, and it is humane. I think the certification agencies will approve almost anything for the right donation.