Can you please define 'strife' and 'dispute?' I'm nit sure either is happening here...
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Acts 15/Galatians 2 To C or not to C
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@Frank S you might not know this but @Verifyveritas76 and I despite the fact we dont see eye to eye, are really good friends and despite getting frustrated with eachother as all friends do time to time, he's been to my house and for awhile I was making monthly trips to his. Time doesnt permit it. What did we do stay up to 3-4 in the morning exactly what were doing now. Topics change through out the night sometimes, but it's profitable to those who actually engage because it promotes study and delving into His word.
The examples I gave were what the histories of the early church said were going on in Crete under Titus the Bishop of Crete. Titus 3 was a letter written to show how to address the heresies of the early church that were going on in Crete but serve as an example to us all. Keep in mind your seeing strife, we are enjoying ourselves. Nobody is being forced to read or participate.
The examples I gave were what the histories of the early church said were going on in Crete under Titus the Bishop of Crete. Titus 3 was a letter written to show how to address the heresies of the early church that were going on in Crete but serve as an example to us all. Keep in mind your seeing strife, we are enjoying ourselves. Nobody is being forced to read or participate.
I apologise if you find the conversation the rest of us were having unprofitable, you know you dont have to read them right? I'm not good at making memes but how about you start a thread discussing the hypercharasmatic teaching of the Holy Spirit giving new revelations to beleivers allowing them to ignore what even the New Testament says? Ill give my beleifs aswell. Would that be profitable? Or we can just pop in on threads others are actually involved in and make snarky remarks, because that's profitable right? What am I thinking You wouldn't do that or post on threads just to be quarrelsome.
@Pacman An aside - I have reservations about the "cherry picking" argument. It is only noted once that David was given his master's wives by God. It's a pretty big and rather important singularly mentioned cherry. The anti cherry picking argument has been used by some to throw out understanding anything from that one mention. However, I personally am still going to pick that singular cherry. Actually, there is a long list of things mentioned only once in the scriptures, I can't view them all as cherries to be not picked. I'm of the thinking that if God said something even once - it stands.
Further on the Titus 3:9 issue... I do see danger when anything appears to have a tag of unprofitable and useless. In the various responses I've seen so far, none have looked very convincing as to what those words actually mean. (Sorry @Kevin, your argument didn't have much solid that I could discern as a useful take-away). I do realize though that how one persons sees what is written in plain words, others do have reasons to view as exactly the opposite, or have reasons to discount and / or see otherwise. I think @Joleneakamama's quote from her dad is right "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".
I think at this point I'll bow out as I've accomplished my purpose by pointing to an issue that to me appears important as a danger as indicated. Of course, we each have responsibility in our own response toward our Master as we seek to walk pleasing in His sight in light of His word. Please understand - by all I've said I've intended no offense to anyone. Rather, I wish blessings on my brothers and sisters even if we don't and won't always agree.
Further on the Titus 3:9 issue... I do see danger when anything appears to have a tag of unprofitable and useless. In the various responses I've seen so far, none have looked very convincing as to what those words actually mean. (Sorry @Kevin, your argument didn't have much solid that I could discern as a useful take-away). I do realize though that how one persons sees what is written in plain words, others do have reasons to view as exactly the opposite, or have reasons to discount and / or see otherwise. I think @Joleneakamama's quote from her dad is right "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".
I think at this point I'll bow out as I've accomplished my purpose by pointing to an issue that to me appears important as a danger as indicated. Of course, we each have responsibility in our own response toward our Master as we seek to walk pleasing in His sight in light of His word. Please understand - by all I've said I've intended no offense to anyone. Rather, I wish blessings on my brothers and sisters even if we don't and won't always agree.
Seriously? You found one verse from Paul that appears to be teaching something completely different than the examples we see all through scripture. I’m not accusing you of cherry picking because you pointed out one verse that agrees with the balance of scripture. Which is exactly what 1 Samuel 12:8 does. Oh and that’s no where close to the only passage that teaches poly is good so your example is bunk anyway. Your wrong about Titus 3:9 your application of it is contrary to the balance of scripture.
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And I'm called passive aggressive?
Relax my friend, I was joking. I too participate in this scholarly discourse that others call unprofitable and useless. But I am finding out that charismatic thought (hyper or not) is not a thing tolerated much with Torah folks. @Frank S I think you brought up a good point. The interesting thing to me in all this is that most of the combative force being generated in these discussions is from those folks most of the time.
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Not pleasant when your tactics are turned around on you is it? You have been called out for this by multiple people over and over again. at what point do you consider that they could be correct? And the idea that the guy who just last week was throwing ethnic slurs in a passive aggressive way is now the victim is completely bogus. Dude Jews, Hebrews, Torah keepers and Israelites are not your enemy. But if you keep poking the bear don’t be surprised when you get bit.
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Surprising response. Expected from the Torah side, though.
Did you forget, I apologized.
Remember, Paul had the same problem with those who wanted to keep the Law, he defined it by the marriage of Sarah and Hagar.
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I'm going to take that as genuine and love you back.
Matthew 5:17-19 NASB
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. [18] For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. [19] Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Ok so back on topic. Doesn't this mean that Yeshua has obligated himself to the Torah of Moses in the millennial reign? When does all get fulfilled? ...
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. [18] For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. [19] Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Ok so back on topic. Doesn't this mean that Yeshua has obligated himself to the Torah of Moses in the millennial reign? When does all get fulfilled? ...
Yes, seriously. There are many occasions in the scriptures where strife is not spoken of in a good light - particularly Proverbs. I believe such verses concord well with what I noted in Titus 3:9 - KJV"contentions and strivings about the law" I am still settled to believe such strife is not good.
In addition I would add 1Timothy 2:14 as it seems related to where this discussion has at times gone:
"Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen."NIV
Further from 1Cor 1:10 & ll
"I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you."NIV
Further good bits...
Philippians 2:2
"then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.NIV
1Peter 3:8
"Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous"NKJV
@Kevin - glad you actually do get on well with @Verifyveritas76. I like that. That hasn't been obvious to me from what I've read in this thread - again - I'm glad you say it's so.
I guess I'm saying it a second time - I'll bow out and not continue to have a part in any further dispute about this.
"Blessed are the peace makers." &
"Harmless as doves"
I like those ideas a lot.
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Nice! Every jot and tittle, so therefore, the whole, including Sinai, stands until the earth is destroyed by fire...
There goes the whole Melchizedek different covenant idea.... poof!
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I hope that wasn't misconscrewed as passive, Im aggressive and I'm not apologetic about it. Something I openly admitted. I do like you, despite our difference of beleifs and actually I was just recently telling @Pacman I needed to thank you for making me study out the lunar calander and the feast days and it brought conviction on me for following the preset calender. That's the type of things that only come from Torah discussion. Dude, I will talk and debate with you on anything. Participate or dont. Come with scripture and beleif not snide remarks. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but excessive the kisses of an enemy. I would rather us all be blunt and honest and call each other out when we're just being an ass. I know I can be and I'd rather be told from a another man rather than have to carry on until God convicts me. It would have been beneficial in this thread. BTW, thank you for bringing that to my attention.
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B.S. Most Torah Observers are Charasmatic but understand the difference between the the Ruach HaKodesh and the spirit of Ba'al that promised freedom from YHVH. The spirit that tells deceived beleivers that it doesn't matter what His word says whether its in the Tanahk, Gospels, Epistles, or Revalations believe what I reveal to you. This isn't a Torah vs no Torah thing because that hypercharasmatic, the Holy Spirit (Ba'al) worship even justifies ignoring what the no Torah keepers fundamentally beleive. Intolerance, pot and kettle.
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I’m gonna have a couple of busy days so wont be able to interact much on this thread.
Just popping in to reiterate what Kevin said. About us being buddies, not the rest of it.
Just popping in to reiterate what Kevin said. About us being buddies, not the rest of it.
As for all of the rest of us, just realize that often tone and humor are difficult to project through text. Though we may be used to it, not everyone is and so I’m asking everyone to take a minute before you post something to make sure there’s a little bit of grace in it.
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Nice! Every jot and tittle, so therefore, the whole, including Sinai, stands until the earth is destroyed by fire...
There goes the whole Melchizedek different covenant idea.... poof!
Then why not worship and honor the Son of God more than the Law that is within Him? Which is better following the Law or following the One who made the Law?
There is a lot of accusations in here but I'm going to let it go. I am glad that I was able show you something that was beneficial. I must not be all wrong in my thought. All I try to do is provide a balance to the overwhelming forces presented here in regards to Torah only thought. As far as I can see, @Verifyveritas76 is pretty much another of the very few that tries to do the same. (Being a moderator, everyone has to like him
) I wish more here who hold a more open view would participate, but given the level of pressure applied to non Torah followers from a rather intense manner, I'm starting to want to back out too and leave this site to its inevitable course.