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Convoy 2022 NZ

It was a very sad day for nz
many people I know are upset with how this has played out.
For a few weeks it felt like we may have had a chance at being heard (it did for a while but seems a little bleak now )
the vast majority of people there where good law abiding citizens , they/we have been treated like we are not part of nz
the current political system is those in power rule with an iron fist any way they wish
and the rest of us are ordered to do what we are told for the greater good.
the damage to democracy is far greater
if the governm will not listen to the people and they are not allowed to peacefully protest
what options are left on the table.?
 
For a few weeks it felt like we may have had a chance at being heard (it did for a while but seems a little bleak now )
It's not over. This is just the beginning. If those protestors go home, then they will protest elsewhere. A moving protest. Perhaps a massive one in chch, and just before the police come they move it to Blenheim, and then to Timaru, and then to Westport. Keep it moving.
Many NZers saw what happened yesterday. They saw the truth.
the damage to democracy is far greater
We no longer live in a democracy.
 
If the government does not leave a peaceful option on the table, they push people towards non-peaceful options to effect change. I am not promoting that, but it is the direction the government is pushing people.

There is always a bell-curve of opinion. Usually, most people like the cops, a few are nervous about them for various reasons, and a minority hate them. A mass action like this causes everyone's opinions to shift a bit negative on that scale. So those who liked the cops are now nervous about them, those who were nervous before now hate them. And what happens to those who already hated the cops?

A small portion of them may decide to kill them.

So by doing this, the police have endangered themselves and their colleagues, by putting targets on their own backs. If this continues, there will be shootings of cops in this country. And the wives and children of cops will be scared to let them go to work, not knowing if they'll come home again.

And the police will, absolutely, have to respond to that by becoming more militant, for their own protection. That will make people more nervous about them, and the whole thing will spiral down into a violent mess. Do we want New Zealand to be like South Africa? The government and police seem to.

Nobody here wants a future like that. But it is not something the general public can stop. The police and government have to change direction themselves or this country will be ruined.
 
If the government does not leave a peaceful option on the table, they push people towards non-peaceful options to effect change. I am not promoting that, but it is the direction the government is pushing people.

There is always a bell-curve of opinion. Usually, most people like the cops, a few are nervous about them for various reasons, and a minority hate them. A mass action like this causes everyone's opinions to shift a bit negative on that scale. So those who liked the cops are now nervous about them, those who were nervous before now hate them. And what happens to those who already hated the cops?

A small portion of them may decide to kill them.

So by doing this, the police have endangered themselves and their colleagues, by putting targets on their own backs. If this continues, there will be shootings of cops in this country. And the wives and children of cops will be scared to let them go to work, not knowing if they'll come home again.

And the police will, absolutely, have to respond to that by becoming more militant, for their own protection. That will make people more nervous about them, and the whole thing will spiral down into a violent mess. Do we want New Zealand to be like South Africa? The government and police seem to.

Nobody here wants a future like that. But it is not something the general public can stop. The police and government have to change direction themselves or this country will be ruined.
With the disarming of Kiwis the government has put themselves in a strong position to control and conquer the majority. It's a sad situation but no different to Canada as both leaders are openly communists.
 
Forgive me if I point out that part of the problem with the growing tyranny in New Zealand was the reluctance of so many people to confront it while they had a chance. They refused to believe that what we see happening all over the free world could happen in cozy, safe, polite, civilized New Zealand. And now here it is.

There is a quote that applies here:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
 
Forgive me if I point out that part of the problem with the growing tyranny in New Zealand was the reluctance of so many people to confront it while they had a chance. They refused to believe that what we see happening all over the free world could happen in cozy, safe, polite, civilized New Zealand. And now here it is.

There is a quote that applies here:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
Trouble is that New Zealand isn't the only country with that problem. Canada, the UK, Australia, the United States, Germany, France, Netherlands, etc are all in a pretty similar situation.

Sure, the Americans have more guns, but overall the situation is almost as bad.
 
if the governm will not listen to the people and they are not allowed to peacefully protest
what options are left on the table.?
You can always sit back and watch the coverage of the War in Ukraine, which in all likelihood has as part of its purpose distracting all of us from events in Canada and New Zealand as well as Convenient Covid About-
Facing.
 
They also knocked over a generator onto a tent which then caught fire. Then antifa decided to make the fire worse by throwing stuff on it and lighting a bunch more fires.
We've had a massive day down at the Christchurch occupation. It's 10.30pm and I've only just gotten the kids into bed. Samuel still isn't home. We'll post more on what's happening tomorrow. In the meantime though, I just wanted to quickly make a correction to what I wrote above. As it turns out it wasn't the police that started the fire. A few people said it was, but there is a video that shows that the police were nowhere near it, but antifa were. So antifa lit the first fire, made it bigger by throwing stuff on it, then lit a bunch more small fires. Luckily the fire department responded quickly and the fires were put out promptly. There's also videos of the protestors trying to put out the fires that antifa were starting!
 
We spent the day yesterday, with the children, at the occupation camp in Christchurch. It was an incredible atmosphere, an absolutely wonderful group of people. Just what we needed after the stress of the events of the day before. Some of the camp is people who have homes but are choosing to make a statement, but some have lost everything and are living there truly because they have nowhere else to go. It is essentially a loosely cooperative commune, in the early days of such a commune when everything is going wonderfully and no big problems have yet arisen (and long may it last). The Christian presence is enormous - half the camp is Christian. There are multiple people doing overt Christian ministry - one man was baptised a few days ago in a nearby river, and has an incredible testimony. There is a prayer tent open all day, but with a serious prayer meeting from 7pm till late every day.

There are a wide range of people, most being those you could categorise as "normal", some being those you could call "very interesting". Obviously the latter group are at a higher concentration than in the surrounding society, as thinkers (whether they're right or wrong) gravitate towards other thinkers, and this makes conversations there most enjoyable (usually... :cool: ). This unfortunately would give ample opportunity for the media to interview one selected individual and paint the whole camp off as weirdos in the eyes of their regular viewers. At present they're trying to ignore the group and avoid humanising them however, which is better than slandering them. Economic status ranges from the moderately well off to the long-term homeless - biased towards the lower end of course because it is the most desperate who are most likely to resort to actually living there.

The community they are building is, frankly, more valuable than the protest action. They are actually showing how people of diverse opinions can live together in community. This specific community will not last in its present form - they'll be forced to move on by the cops soon, and if they weren't some fractures would eventually arise as they always do in such a situation - but the people in it are all realising that they can just live simply and collaboratively, they don't need the expenses and rules of normal society. The form this takes will change, but interesting things are going to happen.

Most importantly, people of all different opinions are demonstrating how they can function together in a society without attacking each other. This movement is bringing together the hard left and hard right, the traditionally religious and the pagan, and everyone in between, and they're all actually getting on as friends. They are not enemies. The political class is the enemy, the rest of us are just regular people with different opinions on stuff.

I attended the end of a "candlelight vigil and meditation" event there last night, which finished with basically an open-mic spirituality thing, with people getting up and saying everything from Christian prayers and reminding everyone that they're in Christchurch (even calling it "Jesus town"), and others leading those who wanted to participate in chanting "Ommmmm"! It was fascinating as (much as ecumenicalism is spiritually dodgy) this was true ecumenicalism - grassroots participation from people of different faiths. Not some top-down "force everyone to believe a watered-down version of their faith that agrees with the other" ecumenicalism, as is being pursued by the religious hierarchy, but the complete opposite - everyone believing their own things very strongly, but not fighting about it. That is positive from the perspective of society as a whole. After that I spent over an hour in the prayer tent with a bunch of Christians who had never met each other before, having a completely natural conversation with God that just flowed on and on, which I had to pull myself away from eventually to drive home.

This whole camp is a model for how our wider society should function, and it is showing that the future can be better than today. It is also very similar to how the Wellington camp functioned.

The convoy spawned a protest, and that protest is spawning outside-the-system community living. Not the crazy violent occupations that happened in the USA a couple of years ago, but just normal people setting up camp together and collaborating on cooking and cleaning. If the government wants to ruin people's lives, people can forget the government and just live their own lives on their own terms. It shows what is possible, and that is an inspiration.
 
Just a small update.

The Auckland occupation was cleared out promptly and peacefully by the police. As far as I am aware they have all left and there are no other plans for an Auckland occupation protest currently, but I may just be out of the loop there.

The Picton occupation was told on Thursday morning they had to leave by that night or anyone there would be arrested and all their stuff would be confiscated. They have moved to a private property about 15 minutes away, so they can still pick people up from the ports and offer a base for those travelling between islands.

The Dunedin occupation has been told they need to move on but I don't think anyone is pushing them on it right now.

The Christchurch occupation has been told to move on by the police. While we were there on Thursday there were two visits from the police, and they negotiated having a week to move. As of yesterday they still didn't have anywhere to go. Bear in mind that a bunch of these people are actually homeless now due to mandates so they really have nowhere else to go to.

The Wellington occupation is a giant mess. There are about 500 people with nowhere to go. People have been wandering the streets. There is an amazing guy who has been going around in his car and finding all these people and taking them to some temporary camps that have been set up. There are about 3 camps set up but they all have limited resources since all their stuff was taken away. They are trying to regroup and reset, and it's hard because it's taken a huge emotional toll on people and no one knows what is happening next. A bunch of people have also just gone bush, up into the hills.
Many people went home or are staying with family or strangers that have offered their homes. Some people are having to recover from injuries and need constant care.

At the moment it all feels very depressing. It feels like all is lost, like the police won. That's what they want us to think. But that's not the truth. This is just the beginning. Right now people do need to take some time to heal, physically and emotionally, but then they will come back stronger.

I spoke to a woman on Thursday who thinks that the reason the protests were being cleared out was because Jacinda is going to remove the mandates, and it can't look like she did it because of the protests. I hope that's true. However, it's deeper than just removing the mandates, we have to get rid of the law that made them possible.
 
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Kiwi and Kiwi Wan Kenobi, don't give up! Remember the strength of the community that you observed being built. Many waters cannot quench love...
 
Time for a bit of an update on this thread. I'll start with the changes that have been made regarding restrictions.

  • From tomorrow, no one will have to scan in anymore. Basically no one is now anyway as there's so many cases that they're no longer contract tracing, but it won't be law now at least.
  • From tomorrow, outside gatherings can be of unlimited size. Which has been happening with all the protests anyway. The only thing this helps is it means that all those summer events can go ahead. Oh wait, it's not summer anymore and they all got cancelled. So much for the 'two shots for summer' they went on about.
  • From tomorrow, you can have up to 200 people inside. I think this is only vaccinated people, I'm really not sure and don't understand this one.
  • From April 4th, vax passes will no longer be required anywhere. However, businesses can still choose to use them if they want to.
  • From April 4th, mandates on certain industries will be lifted. But many will remain. Business owners or anyone else in those industries can still choose to mandate their staff though.
  • On April 4th, Jacinda will be making another statement regarding the traffic light system and if we will change colour.
Here's what hasn't changed.
  • We still legally have to wear masks everywhere.
  • We can still be restricted from any shop or organisation that chooses to restrict us.
  • We still can't go to our library, though they are considering what the govt is saying and trying to figure out what their best course of action is apparently.
  • Children still have to wear masks at school.
  • And unvaccinated people still don't want to support those businesses that chose to discriminate against us. That hasn't changed, and we won't forget.
  • Many areas are still mandated to be vaccinated, such as healthcare workers and border workers.

In Jacinda's great announcement, she also mentioned that the govt were responsible for removing mandates on defence and police. This had nothing to do with the govt, and was because of a court case. A judge ruled it was illegal.

At the moment there is a court case to stop mandates for the education sector. They have been waiting for the ruling from the judge for several weeks now. Jacinda has removed mandates for education, but everyone is waiting for the results from the court case to see where to go from here.

Everything Jacinda said is temporary. It's not something that is permanent. She can change her mind back at any point. There could be another disease or a another version of Covid. Or just because she feels like it. The law has not been removed.

Also, one of the reasons she's removed the vax pass is that she's now opened the borders up. Over the next few months the borders will open to different people until eventually they're open to everyone. Our vax pass system does not allow for anyone vaccinated overseas. Can you imagine a bunch of tourists coming here but not being able to find anywhere to stay or visit and not being able to get a pass even though they're fully vaccinated?

Also, late last Friday night, the rules got quietly changed on the govt website. Any NZ citizen who is unvaccinated can skip quarantine. They didn't announce that to the media, just randomly let a bunch of people out of MIQ. The media did find out about it and did a large announcement. That's about the only investigating they've actually done in 2 years.
 
Now about the camps.

Wellington still has several smaller camps set up well away form the city. Not much happening there.

Christchurch has a small camp set up away from the city too, mostly for those who didn't have anywhere else to go.

Dunedin is still holding strong! They have a right to be where they are. There are no laws or bylaws that can remove them. So they're still there, holding the line, and getting bigger.

Protests continue to happen every Saturday in most places. These are still many thousands strong every week.
 
Also I should add that we are having massive case numbers of covid right now.

Yesterday there were 22,000 cases. It's normally between 14 - 25 thousand daily. And those numbers are only the people who are telling the govt about their tests, because many people are just getting a positive rat test and not telling the govt about it. Also, many vaccinated people are not testing positive with rat tests, even though they clearly have symptoms. The true numbers are actually much much higher.

So reduction of restrictions right now makes absolutely no sense if you believe the govt narrative.
 
If numbers are growing, but there are no new measures then this is good news. It means that health technocrats aren't anymore in charge.


Growing case number, according to "science", requires new measures to stop cases growth.
 
I am slack at updating this thread.

There are no vaccine passes required anywhere now. However, some shops are still requiring vaccine passes just because they want to, and this includes about half of hospitality at the moment.

Most of the govt mandates for workers to be vaccinated have been lifted. However, healthcare and border workers are still required to be vaccinated, and also any businesses can still require this of their workers and many are.

The teachers and healthcare workers took the govt to court regarding mandating of vaccines in their fields. The police and defence force did this previously and won (their case was about a week before this one). The judge took a long time to decide and during this time the govt dropped mandates on teachers. The judge came back saying that they had lost and the govt was correct in applying mandates to these areas and that no one was holding a gun to their head so it was fine.
What this means is that the govt can change the rules again at any point and require mandates of teachers again and the law does not prevent them from doing so, but they can't do that with police and defence force.

The amount of people allowed at gatherings inside and outside are now unlimited. When inside you need to wear masks unless you are eating or doing sports/physical exercise. This means that you have to wear a mask in the supermarket, but not if you go into a nightclub and are drinking and dancing really close with a bunch of people.

The reason of the change in gathering amounts is because we've moved into the orange traffic light level. We're still have thousands of cases daily of covid and about 10-20 deaths a day (WITH covid, but they talk about them like it's FROM covid), but sure, change the level.
The whole point of the traffic light system is to stop the overloading of the healthcare system due to high case numbers, yet we went to red for one case and are moving to orange with heaps of people in the hospital (again WITH covid).
Also, at the red level we were only allowed 25 people in a gathering if you allowed anyone unvaccinated to be there, yet they changed it to 200 at the red level. Then at orange it's supposed to be 50 but now it's unlimited. That was literally the sole reason for the traffic light system, to bring in restrictions like that and encourage people to get vaccinated. But now we're in orange and I don't even know what that means, like what are the restrictions? We currently have way more freedoms that we should have at green. This govt is a giant mess.

Anyway, here's what I think the idea is. Basically nobody knows what is going on. The structure that has been given to us changes frequently "because of covid" *rolls eyes*, but it's actually because they don't want us to have stability or security. We don't know what's happening day by day and the only way to find out what is happening now and to have some sort of knowledge and security is to watch the govt do their updates every day. Watch them, follow them, hang on their every word, constantly be looking out for updates and how they're directing you. Psychological warfare at its finest. And people don't know they're being played. Apparently they don't remember what the traffic light settings were and think this is right.

Note that I am happy with the removal of restrictions, I'm just frustrated with the lying, manipulating, hypocrisy, and psychological nonsense coming from the govt.

I don't know exactly what is happening with the small occupations that were happening as I've been out of the loop on a lot of that (Facebook removed a bunch of the groups I was in and I was enjoying the quiet so didn't go looking for more info elsewhere). However I do know that the Christchurch group has turned bad. They have a spot they set up for themselves in the city that they are legally allowed to be at, though they're getting a lot of pushback from the council and local businesses. Unfortunately they have also decided that no one is allowed to be there if they eat meat and/or are a Christian. So yeah, that's where that's gone and I have no sympathy for them if they're moved on by the council since they're rejecting help from anyone that is a Christian or who offers to give them meat. Ridiculous.

Winter is coming up, and with that will come another rise in covid probably, so we may see restrictions come back into play then. I'm hoping that the govt has seen the light though and knows it will be a bad idea to do so again.
 
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