And this statement is being made by someone who has... how many wives?? How long has your most successful relationship been?
And in case you are wondering, and before you make another outlandish generalisation, I have never been divorced.
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And in case you are wondering, and before you make another outlandish generalisation, I have never been divorced.
Ok but everyone can do a good work that doesn't mean they're saved. You can make that same argument and say that his faith and belief in Christ is what saved him. Just like many will says to me in that day Lord Lord did we not prophesy in your name cast out demons then He said depart from me I NEVER not I used to know NEVER knew you. They did good works yet they weren't. Not mention they were bragging about their works not what Christ did for them. Your basically implying that the man's good work is what saved him not his faith in Christ which would contradict a lot of things. God says he will share his glory with no man and your works are nothing but filthy rags. So I guess Jesus's death on the cross wasn't enough and its not finished like He said. Sounds like your trying to twist the scripture to make it fit your works based salvation doctrine.
I'll also add how those same thieves were making fun of Him too then after his realization of who Jesus was then believed and expressed his belief to prove to men and to us that he was saved but God already knew it when he did it with his heart. The confession work he did was simply to prove to us what He already did in His heart. But you're not always going to be doing good works.
That doesn't mean anything most marriages are sexless and loveless anyways. only like 12% of marriages are even in a state of love and bliss. Look up the study (if I'm saying this right) does long term relationship kill romantic love or something like that. Marriage really shouldn't be the limptus test for a successful relationship especially when you study the inner problems of most marriages. They're together but its like they're just roommates.
Did you read what I wrote? I'll repeat it for you here. He demonstrated his saving faith through verbalizing his trust in the Person and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. His was a very public witness to his saving faith in Jesus Christ, and as such he was doing a good work.
Please don't twist my words to justify your erroneous notions. Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone, to the glory of God alone. But true saving faith is not alone, it produces good fruit - the fruit of righteousness. Galatians 522-24, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
@Deesee25, if you talk to any pastor or elder in any Christian denomination except maybe the most woke (which barely count as Christian any more), they will confirm to you one way or another that salvation is by faith, but faith is evidenced by works, and if you live a life completely contrary to what Jesus and Paul teach then that shows you do not have sufficient faith to be saved. Each denomination will differ on a few details - which bits they emphasise more (some are bigger on works, some bigger on faith), what they consider as appropriate Godly behaviour etc - but this is detail. The basic, overall teaching is just fundamental truth. We're not saying anything radical. If you doubt us, go have a chat to your local Baptist / Lutheran / Catholic / Pentecostal / Orthodox pastor / priest and ask about the relationship of faith and works to salvation. You'll get variations of the same message from all of them. So I'm pretty sure you'll have heard it a hundred times before.
And I expect those of us who have been married for many years have a far better understanding of what marriage is like than you do. Your information comes from surveys, and in social surveys all such results have to be taken with a large grain of salt as the result depends on how you ask the questions, so you can often find the results that fit your presuppositions. While ours comes from lived experience.
And I expect those of us who have been married for many years have a far better understanding of what marriage is like than you do. Your information comes from surveys, and in social surveys all such results have to be taken with a large grain of salt as the result depends on how you ask the questions, so you can often find the results that fit your presuppositions. While ours comes from lived experience.
He suffered and died for our lawlessness. He expects us to be sanctified by his Word, so we can turn away from our own destructive paths. Thereby, we can give Him all the Glory. And we can give praise to the His Perfect and Righteous Instructions - that restore the soul (Psalm 19:7).
Revelation 22:14-15 KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 12:17
And the dragon (satan) was angry at the woman and declared war against the rest of her children—all who keep God’s commandments and maintain their testimony for Jesus.
Isaiah 8:20
To the law (torah) and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.
Scripture is easily twisted. That's why you have to rightly divide the Word. Consider all Scripture - and not just the verses that "tickle your ears."
Keeping the commandments through faith and love in Yahushua is the Key to Life. It is the fruit of your faith. Those are not my own words. I gave you 4 verses that testify to that. And there's plenty, plenty more. Even from Paul.
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Yes, you're exactly right. We do have a role to play in our salvation. Faith without works is dead. That's why we're given rules about how to live our lives. We're required to do certain things and not do certain things. And yes, it is very alarming how few of us will not make it through that narrow gate and down that straight path. It's heart breaking how many of us are going to be told, "Depart from me you wicked, I never knew you."
There is number on your profile. Now is 143.How tf do you know how many post I wrote? Are you keeping score or something?
I am deeply skeptical of this claim. Study after study shows that married, religious people consistently express the highest amounts of satisfaction in their relationships, and the married Christian women are the most sexually content people on the planet.
This the first time in a while I remember hearing this argument. It’s kind of our calling though, presenting truth around Biblical morality though.
How is this still a active subject?
I defined it nice an clear.
Do I have to post fornication porn for everyone to see?
Happy?
I swear, y'all are just unable to get your minds out of that arched gutter
I defined it nice an clear.
Do I have to post fornication porn for everyone to see?
Happy?
I swear, y'all are just unable to get your minds out of that arched gutter
I wouldn't say he's a troll... He's young, his way of thinking is common among younger men nowadays. You can find men with similar beliefs all over TikTok and YouTube. Their generation is highly influenced by such things, also jaded and discouraged by the way younger women of their generation behave. At least he reads the Bible, even if he misunderstood or misused it at times. Many of us are guilty of that ourselves.
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Please note @Deesee25 that unlike the impression you may have gained from @Earth_is-'s above post, I am not suggesting you have to obey the Old Testament law to be saved. Far from it.
I am instead saying you have to have an attitude of seeing Jesus as your Lord, which means Master. Which means choosing to find out what he would want you to do, and doing that. What matters is the attitude of your heart - whether you are genuinely treating Him as your Lord and master.
Those who are His servants will be saved, those who are not will not be.
Now, if that means that you conclude He wants you to obey every detail of the Old Testament law, so you do that, or if it means you conclude He wants you to obey the tradition of the Catholic church, so you do that, or anything in between, is less important. You don't need to have the correct theology to be saved, and everyone is going to get things wrong. For now, run with whatever denominational understanding you were raised in. What matters is the attitude of our hearts, whether we have placed Him as our head. And whether our faith is genuine is shown by whether we are actively seeking to find out what He is telling us to do, and then actively obeying that - even if we've got something wrong on the detail.
Because we are not saved by works - we are not saved by doing the right things. We are saved by faith. It is all about the heart. But if you aren't trying to seek his will and obey Him to the best of your understanding, your heart is not yet saved.
Later you should certainly examine what theological details are correct in order to better understand His will for your life. But that does come later. Placing Him truly as the Lord of your life comes first.
I am actually so dumb; this entire time I've been under the impression that "messages" refered to how many private messages someone had
That's not dumb, it certainly reads like that! The terminology is confusing.I am actually so dumb; this entire time I've been under the impression that "messages" refered to how many private messages someone had
So, I hear you saying that you believe he is sincere, without falsehood, deception, or narcissistic motives.
I have my doubts but then I'm influenced by my work with the criminal mind and errors of unresponsible thinking. Not to get into all the details, but for eighteen years, I've been a faith-based life skills coach to mass murderers and sexual predators. I get all adult age groups and education levels and none of that is an excuse.
I had rather you are correct and I'm mistaken. I can live with that.
This no reason for blackpilling.
Like he can't get out of mindset situation is bad. OK, maybe factually, but we reallllyyy need hope to live. Without hope there is nothing to look forward.