You do realize that this whole passage starts with keeping the Law? Christ asked him what was in the Law. And then it ends with Christ telling the man to keep the Law that way.
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After all this time you still don’t understand what any of your purported opponents believe.
1Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
15For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not havemany fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16Therefore I urge you, imitate me. 17For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.
5because our gospel came to you not in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit, and with much full assurance, just as you know what we were among you on account of you.6And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation, with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
13For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe. 14For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus.
Stop teaching untruths.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
15For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not havemany fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16Therefore I urge you, imitate me. 17For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.
5because our gospel came to you not in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit, and with much full assurance, just as you know what we were among you on account of you.6And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation, with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
13For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe. 14For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus.
Bullsnot!
Stop teaching untruths.
No it doesn’t, it starts with a lawyer tempting Jesus and trying to justify himself with the law.
You are making a big deal out of nothing.
The probability that she called him by a Hebrew name has absolutely no bearing on the message in that post.
The circumcision on here seem to all have contradictory beliefs, but never seem to call each other out for the differences. So, you’ll have to forgive folks for getting y’alls individual belief systems mixed.
That was melodramatic, but just to remind you; everyone of us who consider ourselves leaders among the Torah keepers here will flay alive any of our compatriots who even suggest that keeping the Law will bring salvation. You show us who among us believes that and we will handle the heretic personally and you will get a retraction from them or we will denounce them publicly.
Show me who among us thinks keeping the Law brings salvation.
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And yet not one of those disparate beliefs are the ones we’re accused of having.
And leave us not even question how many things the rest of you disagree on.
where does it say the lawyer was tempting Christ?
Then why did you add it, and why do you believe it when Scripture doesn’t say that? It does have bearing because this hangup on the pronunciation of His name is the gateway drug for torahism.
The King is coming? The King already came, and finished his 1000 year reign. Unless you wish to call him a liar. We're living in satan's season after the Golden Age (Dark Ages satan calls it). Why do you think our history books are completely silent on this time period? But Scripture comes first:Yah accepts gentiles and foreigners who enter His covenant to obey His commands. The covenant is available for those who want it and will abide in Him in Spirit and in Truth.
You choose what you believe. I'm content. I love my brothers and I desire each to know the real, true Messiah. Yah knows them that are His.
You don't know Jesus like you think you do. Jesus didn't give new law. He said all the commandments hang on these 2 things (which is a summation of the entirety of the law):
Love Yah with all your heart, mind, and soul; and love your neighbor as yourself.
Why? Becayse every single commandment is an instruction in how to love Yah or how to love your neighbor. The 10 commandments are a microcosm of that: the first 4 instruct us in how you love Yah (His way, not your way) and the last 6 are instructions in loving your neighbor. Such is the whole of the law.
The commandments you reject (like sabbath and His holy days) are instructions for loving Yah. He gives us the formula so there is no confusion.
Everything Jesus said, did, and taught is consistent with the commandments if you have eyes to see and ears to hear. Love the Truth and search it out, Yah is faithful to reveal.
You cannot be washed by the blood if you remain in sin. Sin is transgression of the law. Jesus showed us exactly what obedience looks like so we are without excuse and able to walk in it thru him. The law REQUIRES judgment against all sin and he took on that judgment for us all.
The fault in the first covenant was the people, not Yah or the law itself. Yah is faultless, blameless, and perfect. The people broke the covenant. So he forgave us by the blood then put His law and spirit within us so that we have no excuse, in addition to a perfect example we can look to, who is our High Priest and mediator and has been tempted in the flesh as we are.
Jesus didn't keep the law for you to break it and claim with your mouth that you love him. He is the GOAL of the law for righteousness to them that believe -- even though paganized English translations mistranslate that word GOAL as "END" to support false doctrine.
Loving the Truth will transform and set free, but loving lies will keep people bound and send a strong delusion. Shout out to bro @steve On the gates of the Kingdom being revealed. I feel that is a victory, bless you my brother!
The King is coming
Matthew 16:28
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Revelation 1:7
Look, he is coming with the clouds,' and 'every eye will see him, even those who pierced him'; and all peoples on earth 'will mourn because of him.' So shall it be! Amen.
Matthew 24:34
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”
(great tribulation, fall of Jerusalem, appearing of Son of Man in clouds of Heaven).
In the Greek "Generation" translates to "Family Generation." Jesus is not talking about a generation 2000 years in the future. But "this generation" whom he was speaking to.
Satan's Destiny:
Revelation 20:2
He took hold of the dragon, that old snake, who is the Devil, or Satan, and chained him for 1,000 years
Revelation 20:7
When the 1,000 years are finished, Satan will be free to leave his prison. 8 He will go out and fool the nations who are over all the world.
It's very clear we're living in Satan's season, and he's deceiving the entire world. What comes next per scripture:
Great White Throne of Judgement:
Revelation 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne. I saw the One Who sat on it. The earth and the heaven left Him in a hurry and they could be found no more. 12 I saw all the dead people standing before God. There were great people and small people. The books were opened. Then another book was opened. It was the book of life. The dead people were judged by what they had done as it was written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead people who were in it. Death and hell gave up the dead people who were in them. Each one was judged by what he had done. 14 Then death and hell were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone’s name was not written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
And finally:
New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21:1-4
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The first heaven and the first earth had passed away. There was no more sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem. It was coming down out of heaven from God. It was made ready like a bride is made ready for her husband. 3 I heard a loud voice coming from heaven. It said, “See! God’s home is with men. He will live with them. They will be His people. God Himself will be with them. He will be their God. 4 God will take away all their tears. There will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All the old things have passed away.”
Only faith in Lord Jesus Christ. Don't be deceived by Satan to believe in anything different. If Jesus says the earth is stationary and the sun/moon move around us. Believe in Jesus. Don't believe in satan's lies with his minions all over the world -- from nasa, hollywood, government, etc.
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@PeteR claims that faith IS works of Torah and that you guys are saved by “faith through grace”. Which is, oddly enough, the reverse of what Scripture states clearly. Care to elaborate?
Blind idiocy. And I'm being polite.
The word MEANS 'protesting catholics'! Ask Cardinal Gibbons (he wrote about it) - you accept the 'authority' of the 'one, true, universal, and catholic church' to CHANGE His commandments, like Sabbath, and they call you 'catholic'. "It's about who is to be master, that is all." (Lewis Carroll, not Scripture, not a pope.)
Well, grand words. I hope you are kidding about flaying anyone alive. I hope you are not kidding about denouncing that position. It is refreshing to hear it said so plainly. Maybe a blunt and obvious statement like that signed by the parties would be a good witness to dispel further suspicions and clear the air for more gainful discussion. So far any attempt to pin them down on that has been met with more denial, deflecting, and obfuscation.
There are at least two, and maybe three, but I'm not certain of the third. One has already made himself known, but retracted it. I'd like to be like one of them and tell you to be like the Bereans and READ THE THREADS for yourself, but once again, there is plenty of plausible deniability, and it would be equally frustrating for you to draw a certain conclusion. They are careful to avoid saying explicitly what they think, but their message is plain and they want others to put it together and come to the conclusion they are unwilling to say directly. When you do that, and you call them out, they invariably say, "That's not what I said!", and then they go on to say it again.
This is a good example of how putting 2 + 2 together gives you what they are saying without "saying". Again, I'm not certain of the 3rd. Sometimes you don't know if someone realized what they said or not.
Enlighten us. If not one jot or tittle changed in God’s covenant, what relevance does Christ’s death on the cross have in regard to us or our sin?
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You don’t have a clue what words mean, and you couldn’t exegete yourself out of a wet paper sack. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Re: What are the terms of this 'new covenant? Where can I find them?
Platitudes, and claiming "another jesus, whom we have NOT preached," is the issue.
And as for the "expected fruit of Salvation" - asked, and answered:
"If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Which? The ones He Wrote down for us, said He would NOT change.
Sorry, "even the demons believe, and tremble." (Yakov/James 2:19. And read the next verse.)
Platitudes, and claiming "another jesus, whom we have NOT preached," is the issue.
And as for the "expected fruit of Salvation" - asked, and answered:
"If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Which? The ones He Wrote down for us, said He would NOT change.
@The Revolting Man in case you are genuine about fixing this...
Here is an example of how impossible it is to get one to just speak plainly and answer that question. If red flags were dollars, this guy would be a millionaire. And yet, "where's the proof?", as you might say. I cannot give you a single, undeniable instance.
Here is an example of how impossible it is to get one to just speak plainly and answer that question. If red flags were dollars, this guy would be a millionaire. And yet, "where's the proof?", as you might say. I cannot give you a single, undeniable instance.
@The Revolting Man this is fairly close to approximating a confession in a single coherent post.
In other words, keep the Torah or else you have no part in salvation.
In other words, keep the Torah or else you have no part in salvation.
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