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New Zealand Threatens to Use Military Against Civilian Anti-Mandate Protesters

The New Zealand military warned it was poised to deploy "Defence Force assets" to Wellington to disband an anti-vaccine mandate protest.

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This is getting silly. New Zealand thinks people with families and kids are a threat to national security?

Or are they just a threat to government power?

This was a couple of days ago. No cars have been moved. The military is very much trying to stay out of it, they want nothing to do with it. The govt would bring them in in a heartbeat, but it's not that easy.

Meanwhile, all the parties in parliament have released a joint statement saying that they will talk to the protestors when they remove all their vehicles, tents, marquees, and structures. Lol! They're so not a position to ask for that, and the fact that they are shows their incredible arrogance.

The protestors have now planted trees, a vege garden, a herb garden and they're asking for fruit trees. They're really in for the long haul!

 

[FollowingHim2]

This is a really good video showing the current state of the protest. It was filmed about an hour or two ago. The protest has swelled massively and more people arrive by the day. In this video a woman says she's heard of massive numbers of people being there, around 50,000, but I don't think that's correct. The numbers of 8 - 10,000 are closer.

There are decent sit ins happening at other places around the country too. The one in Picton continues to grow, and last I heard the one in Christchurch had about 40 tents.

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[FollowingHim2]

Oh and the 3rd wave is on it's way

 

[FollowingHim2]

This is the protest today, everywhere that is in pink/orange. The large round building in the middle is the Beehive which is our parliament building. The small green area directly in front of that is where the protest was contained originally.

 

[FollowingHim2]

News I've read today:

No enforcement of protest planned 'currently'

Police Commissioner Andrew Coster says he wants the protest to end safely.

He says enforcement of it risks creating much wider harm than the protest is creating. He says, currently, negotiation and de-escalation are the only ways to resolve the protest in the way police want to resolve it.

"Enforcement action taken by Police runs the real risk of injury to the public, escalation in numbers of people, and a transition away from a largely peaceful protest to violence."

“The number of people, structures and vehicles has continued to grow over the past 24 hours.

"Police also anticipate a significant number of people joining the protest over the weekend."

NZ Police Association president admits he spoke too soon

President of the NZ Police Association Chris Cahill said he might have spoken too soon when he told 1News on Thursday evening that police could have acted sooner, to quash the protest when numbers were small.

“I think it’s something that police should consider in hindsight for future operations, but there is always the chance it will have the opposite effect.”

After a further briefing on Friday, Cahill said he could see the reasons for police taking a more demure approach. “A hundred and twenty arrests last week achieved nothing except doubling the crowd,” he said.

“What is very clear is that when the police act, it’s a catalyst to grow the protest.”Trying to remove the protesters by force wasn’t an option. “They’re not physically hurting anyone. You’re limited in the level of force that is ‘reasonable’.”

“I’ve been guilty of saying, ‘Well, they could do more’. But there isn't a lot they can do without going beyond the level of violence that people will support."

While it was understandably frustrating for Wellingtonians that towing of the protester’s vehicles hadn’t begun yet, Cahill said it came down to logistical issues.

“As soon as [police] said they were going to [tow cars], protesters all went and sat in their vehicles,” he said. “By towing a vehicle with someone in it, it's technically detaining someone.”

“It would be entirely impractical and an unreasonable use of force to smash windows and drag people out.”

Besides, a tow truck risked being parked in by other supporters in order to stymie its attempts. While the Defence Force had been supposedly on standby for days, it had never engaged in action against protesters before.

That would be a ”significant change in approach”, he said. “I don't think that is being considered."

There might be a silver lining to the police’s inaction. “There will be a proportion [of protesters] there who want to be part of any confrontation. If that’s off the table, some numbers might drop away.”

Ultimately though, he didn’t see this being resolved quickly. “It’s going to require a hell of a lot of patience,” he said - both by police, and Wellingtonians.

The creation of a media relations team is the latest sign that the protest factions are becoming more organised

“The combined protest groups” occupying Parliament’s grounds in Wellington say they've created media liaison roles and are asking reporters to notify them before entering the growing protest site.

In a letter sent to numerous reporters, the protesters asked that journalists email the newly created “media liaison team” before going to Parliament.

“You will be escorted, should you wish, by our internal security team and a media liaison person,” it said.

 

[FollowingHim]

It is very good to see the police finally stating that there is no law enforcement solution to this, and it must be resolved politically. The politicians don't want that, but it's the reality.

The strategy of the government/media establishment now is to continue with misinformation in order to confuse and get away with changing as little as possible:

1. Claim the protestors are making unreasonable demands and want to remove every single thing that has "kept us safe".
2. But concede that despite the protestors being horrible people (insert whatever slur they can fabricate), they might have a point that "the mandates" are no longer necessary now that so many people are vaccinated.
3. Government decides to remove "the mandates" - ie stop legally requiring teachers & so forth to be vaccinated to work. Say that they were planning to do this anyway but have done it a little faster to placate the protestors.
4. Leave in place everything else - allow companies to choose to mandate vaccines for their staff, allow shops to discriminate against unvaccinated people, continue to encourage this even, continue to have a segregated society. And keep the laws that were passed late last year that made this discrimination legal - because they want to keep the powers those laws give the government.
5. Do all of this without actually talking to the protestors, keep pretending they're horrible people not worth speaking to.

The challenge for the protestors is for the vast majority (of many thousands of people) to realise that this is a trap, and not fall for it. To keep on pushing even after "the mandates" are removed, for the removal of the entire legal framework that enabled them. This is the official demand of the organisations behind the protest, but the people need to retain the passion and dedication to stick it out to actually demand this.

 

[PeteR]

Do keep us posted. This is amazing to watch. So encouraging to see men and women step up and stand in the gap for mankind! You should be proud!

 

[MeganC]

I can't help but wonder how the Canadian declaration of martial law and the global reaction to that over reaction is affecting decision making in other countries like New Zealand?

 

[FollowingHim2]

I can't help but wonder how the Canadian declaration of martial law and the global reaction to that over reaction is affecting decision making in other countries like New Zealand?

They are watching what's going on. The police commissioner said the other day that they can see what's going on overseas and how escalating the problem doesn't actually help. Then in the same breath he said that they still needed to move the vehicles lol. And now he's come around to the fact that that's a bad idea also. Look what happened when Canada tried to tow vehicles? The towies joined in!

 

[rockfox]

"In a letter sent to numerous reporters, the protesters asked that journalists email the newly created “media liaison team” before going to Parliament."

That could be a trick too. In the US it is common for people controlled by the government to appoint themselves the head of the opposition. At least when events get away from them. What they prefer to do is create the opposition with their people in leadership.

Thanks for keep us up to date with what's going on on the ground.

 

[FollowingHim]

That could be a trick too. In the US it is common for people controlled by the government to appoint themselves the head of the opposition. At least when events get away from them. What they prefer to do is create the opposition with their people in leadership.

That can be true. However, there is a rather different reason for this media liason team. The problem is that people hate the media so much that when mainstream reporters have tried to cover the event, they've been booed away by people yelling "shame" and so forth at them. All of which is true and well deserved - yet it doesn't help get positive media coverage. The main purpose of the media liason is to give the media a safe escort who will tell everyone they're there by invitation of the leadership, remind people to give them a chance and let them actually report it.

They have been extremely clear that the media liason person is NOT a spokesperson and does not represent the groups behind the protest. They are clearly already aware of this risk and trying to guard against it.

 

[MeganC]

They are watching what's going on. The police commissioner said the other day that they can see what's going on overseas and how escalating the problem doesn't actually help. Then in the same breath he said that they still needed to move the vehicles lol. And now he's come around to the fact that that's a bad idea also. Look what happened when Canada tried to tow vehicles? The towies joined in!

This morning the Ottawa police are going into the trucks and moving them.

Yesterday was pretty bad in Ottawa. Police used draft horses to charge the crowd and two people were either seriously hurt or killed. No one seems to have the facts straight on that part but the video makes it clear they were hurt pretty bad.

The Deputy PM in Canada says the martial law powers are going to permanent.

PM Trudeau suspended parliament yesterday and he is expected to formally prorogue (suspend) parliament on Monday because members of the Liberal party and the NDP are saying they will not approve extending the state of martial law.

The Ottawa police say that when they arrest someone who has a pet they will euthanize the pet if the person is still in jail after eight days.

Bank accounts are being seized from people who simply say they support the protesters on social media.

One of our Canadian friends say that the banks are limiting cash withdrawals for all customers to $1000 a week.

It looks pretty bad.

 

[PeteR]

This morning the Ottawa police are going into the trucks and moving them.

Yesterday was pretty bad in Ottawa. Police used draft horses to charge the crowd and two people were either seriously hurt or killed. No one seems to have the facts straight on that part but the video makes it clear they were hurt pretty bad.

The Deputy PM in Canada says the martial law powers are going to permanent.

PM Trudeau suspended parliament yesterday and he is expected to formally prorogue (suspend) parliament on Monday because members of the Liberal party and the NDP are saying they will not approve extending the state of martial law.

The Ottawa police say that when they arrest someone who has a pet they will euthanize the pet if the person is still in jail after eight days.

Bank accounts are being seized from people who simply say they support the protesters on social media.

One of our Canadian friends say that the banks are limiting cash withdrawals for all customers to $1000 a week.

It looks pretty bad.

That, indeed, is looking bad.

 

[rockfox]

The Deputy PM in Canada says the martial law powers are going to permanent.

PM Trudeau suspended parliament yesterday and he is expected to formally prorogue (suspend) parliament on Monday because members of the Liberal party and the NDP are saying they will not approve extending the state of martial law.

Which they are required to do within 7 days to confirm his emergency powers. So this looks a lot like going full banana republic.

 

[MeganC]

UN planes have been seen at an airport in Ontario, Canada.

Members of the European Union Parliament are calling out Trudeau as a dictator and tyrant.

A lot of people were arrested yesterday across Canada and the weird thing is most of them were let go. But the pattern is the people are driven out of their town or city like 20km to 30km and then released to have to walk back in freezing weather, sometimes at night.

There is also starting a call for a nationwide general strike starting tomorrow (21 Feb 2022).

A news story says that a few members of parliament are asking the Queen to step in and remove Trudeau from power. Probably won't happen.

Canada needs prayer.

 

[FollowingHim]

A lot of people were arrested yesterday across Canada and the weird thing is most of them were let go.

Not weird at all. The point of catch-and-release is to intimidate as many people as possible, without being limited by cell availability. They have done the same over here. They'll all have charges of some form that can be followed up at the leisure of the courts, and the existence of these existing charges and the experience of being arrested is intended to deter the more cautious from taking any further action.

A news story says that a few members of parliament are asking the Queen to step in and remove Trudeau from power. Probably won't happen.

The Queen is represented in each Commonwealth country by a Governor-General. That representative is chosen by the government of the day and rubber-stamped by the Queen, so they're already weak and unlikely to do anything. Then to be really sure, they are protected by their secretarial staff from any requests for them to do anything so they don't even know people are asking them to act. The Queen is probably protected from the public in the same way. Any letter to a Governor-General, or probably to the Queen, gets a polite form response from a secretary saying that the GG is apolitical so won't get involved in politics, and the complaint must be taken to the government instead.

The system was originally well designed and well intentioned to provide an oversight over the parliament equivalent to a presidency, but has been broken deliberately through creeping conventions over the past century or so. As a result there is no effective oversight.

 

[FollowingHim]

Incidentally, G.K. Chesterton made the point that in a democracy people should vote for those who represent them, but don't - they more commonly vote for people they perceive as "better" than themselves - greater orators for instance. The result being that a democratic government / presidency ends up dominated by an elite class who are very different from the average person and do not share their values. However a hereditary system essentially chooses the ruler / rulers at random (you don't know what sort of people they'll be), and on average they're more likely to be a "normal" person and have similar values to the average man on the street (he actually illustrates this with historical examples).

That logic is obviously debatable, and both hereditary and democratic systems have their own serious drawbacks. However, these drawbacks are different to each other. This means that, purely theoretically, a random / hereditarily assigned monarch providing oversight over a democratically elected parliament, with both having to sign off on any new laws, is in theory the best of both worlds, providing insurance against the drawbacks of either system. Neither has the ability to become a tyrant - the Monarch has no power other than signing or refusing to sign laws and if necessary calling a re-election, while no order of Parliament becomes law without the assent of the Monarch. That's how the Crown and Parliament are supposed to operate.

Obviously, if you weaken the Parliament and allow the monarch to be a dictator, the system falls over.

But also, if you weaken the Monarch and allow the Parliament to become a dictator, the system falls over just as badly. And that's what we're seeing right now in Canada, New Zealand and Australia. This situation hasn't happened overnight, we've been moving in this direction for many decades.

 

[MemeFan]

Spend some time surfing on Twitter. It seems more people are on streets than before.

Capital flight from Canada has been triggered. This will crash Canadian economy triggering even more unrest. It's positive feedback cycle.

More unrest -‐ weaker economy -- more unrest.

 

[FollowingHim]

So things went downhill today badly. The cops are now very obviously using extremely underhanded tactics to try and either paint the protestors as violent, or incite actual violence, probably in order to find an excuse for the government to bring in martial law. The cops have moved in early morning both yesterday and today (4 or 5am), and the media have been alerted and on-site each time despite the protestors being taken by surprise. Several incidents of note today include:

1: A car drove into a line of police. Throughout this whole protest, the MSM videos have been useless - taken from a distance - and all the useful detail has been on videos taken on cellphones by protestors on the ground. For a change, the best video coverage of this particular incident is from a MSM camera that just happened to be in the perfect position at the perfect time. That is highly suspicious to begin with. Here is their video:

Note that the car was driving very slowly, the police line split cleanly, nobody was even bumped. The driver stopped and didn't even attempt to reverse and escape, just parked and waited to be arrested. Although one cop dramatically pretends to try and break the driver's window, the doors are unlocked and other cops just open the doors and drag him out. Photos of the driver have been widely shared among the protestors and nobody has ever seen him before. The car could not even be there if it hadn't been allowed through a second police line further down the road - that whole area was blocked off already. This is almost certainly a completely fake setup.

2: A man fired fireworks over the heads of the police. Once again, nobody seems to know who this man is, he hasn't been seen at the protest before to my knowledge. In one photo he actually appears to be wearing a wireless earpiece (though it could be a hearing aid). The moment he lights the firework other protestors start yelling at him, the moment it starts going off other protestors grab him, take the firework off him, and shove him into the line of cops to be arrested. The cops - who moments before had been violently throwing a protestor to the ground to arrest him - just gently take this man by the arm and he walks away calmly with them. Obvious police-connected provocateur.

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t.me

3: A policeman, a senior sergeant no less, tried to gouge out a protestor's eye, who was simply standing in line with other protestors peacefully trying to stop the police advancing. No accident, it's a clear thumb eye gouge as would be taught as a last-resort defence in any self defence course. The protestor's eyeball fortunately survived but the eye is so swollen it's just a narrow slit. A very violent assault that is a clear intent to commit grievous bodily harm.

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t.me

This is all at the periphery of the camp. The centre of the camp still apparently has a good "vibe" and is doing ok. There were some prominent celebrity / ex-politician visitors today. However, the police are pressing in from the sides and clearly trying to incite violence. They have blocked off all roads in and out with concrete blocks, and are only allowing vehicles to leave but not enter. They are then pushing in and shifting the blocks in further and further, gradually gaining ground and squeezing the protest. Things are on a downhill slope from here - for the Wellington protest.

Not for the movement. If Wellington is shut down, so the protest is not contained politely to a small area, this thing's going national, and the police and politicians will only have themselves to blame for it (not that they'll actually blame themselves). Like what happened to Christianity when the apostles were kicked out of Jerusalem. Wellington may end soon, but the campaign is not ending soon.

 

[FollowingHim]

There is also a blatant lie being spread by the mainstream media, that someone threw poo at the cops. This is a bald-faced lie, but is being repeated ad-nauseam by the media, and used by the cops themselves as their stated excuse for using riot shields.

In reality, yesterday somebody threw a bottle of juice at the cops. The cops, being understandably cautious for hygiene reasons, said they did not know what the contents were and had to treat it as possibly urine. So it was written down officially as "possible human waste". The media grabbed that phrase, interpreted it as faeces, and started a massive lie about protestors throwing poo. It's now been repeated enough it's common accepted fact.

Just another example of the sorts of tactics being used to paint the protestors as terrible and the police as good, to justify increased police action.